Position 2017 Rucks

[Fooler]

He only needs to play for the first 8 -10 weeks to make some coin before upgrading him to one the top 2 rucks. I don't think many are picking him as a keeper but as a stepping stone. With some doubt on the top 2 rucks he buys you some time to see how they sort themselves out. Freo play 6 of the first 9 rounds at home so travel early shouldn't be an issue, no third man up helps him and Ryder in the forward line for cover and potential top 10 forward minimizes the risk. Huge upside to me, downside is he goes down early and creates a world of hurt. I'm taking the risk at this stage.

The only issue is im just not sold on Ryder

JJ at D3, Fyfe M7, Gawn/Sandi, Ryder F2 and with the rest rookies. $40k in the bank.

If FWD rookies turn out a little bleaker than we think then the MIDs will be reduced to make way for another FWD Premo

paddy at F2. Jesus.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

The only issue is im just not sold on Ryder

paddy at F2. Jesus.

No Jesus at M2

 

[Huttabito]

The only issue is im just not sold on Ryder

paddy at F2. Jesus.

Big risk I know, but I think a lot of the top FWDs this year will be more KPPs and so we should be able to pick them up cheaper throughout the year. If there are enough playing rookies in the FWD that seem to have decent JS then it's a risk I am willing to take.

 

[Fooler]

Big risk I know, but I think a lot of the top FWDs this year will be more KPPs and so we should be able to pick them up cheaper throughout the year. If there are enough playing rookies in the FWD that seem to have decent JS then it's a risk I am willing to take.

If Sandi or Ryder miss a game you're looking at having to play 5 rookies in your forward line. Who is your M8?

 

[Sydney Kicker]

JJ at D3, Fyfe M7, Gawn/Sandi, Ryder F2 and with the rest rookies. $40k in the bank.

If FWD rookies turn out a little bleaker than we think then the MIDs will be reduced to make way for another FWD Premo

Could have a few hairy Thursday nights early in the year waiting to see if you have 6 forwards named. Hoping for your sake Paddy comes out of the blocks like Usain Bolt.

 

[cybajedi]

The only issue is im just not sold on Ryder

Not sold yet either, it will come down to whether Ryder gets the #1 ruck spot. Shown he can go at 95-100 when given that role which will be good enough for top 10 forwards this year I'd reckon.

 

[Fooler]

Not sold yet either, it will come down to whether Ryder gets the #1 ruck spot. Shown he can go at 95-100 when given that role which will be good enough for top 10 forwards this year I'd reckon.

I reckon he will share it with Trengove a bit. Averaged 85 in his only season with port. Can't really see him improving too much on that, therefore won't be a top 8 fwd. That's what it comes down to. Picking him for ruck coverage is like setting a field for bad bowling (as someone pointed out earlier).

 

[cybajedi]

I reckon he will share it with Trengove a bit. Averaged 85 in his only season with port. Can't really see him improving too much on that, therefore won't be a top 8 fwd. That's what it comes down to. Picking him for ruck coverage is like setting a field for bad bowling (as someone pointed out earlier).

In 2015 he shared the ruck duties with Lobbe, Lobbe seems out of favour for now. If he shares it with Trengrove he'll be a no go but if Trengrove just gives Ryder a chop out now and then he can do much better than 85. Like I said it all comes down to Ryder being the #1 ruck. Hopefully the pre season stuff gives us an indication on how Port structure up in the ruck department.

 

[toxic]

I reckon he will share it with Trengove a bit. Averaged 85 in his only season with port. Can't really see him improving too much on that, therefore won't be a top 8 fwd. That's what it comes down to. Picking him for ruck coverage is like setting a field for bad bowling (as someone pointed out earlier).

If Ryder is fit he'll do 90% of the rucking.
Trengove is a ruck spud of the highest order (i should know i had him last season for a while)

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

Ryder is a safe pick guys.

Lets look at Port's ruck stocks.

Ryder - Is 28 years old which is prime for a ruck and just had a year off making him 27 in footy years.
Gun at the centre bounce and around the ground, can kick a goal and take a grab.
Averaged 85 and 23 hitouts for Port playing next to a full time ruck.
Averaged 90 twice, 100 and 105 in his last 4 years at Essendon.

Trengove - not a ruck never will be, can't jump, can't hitout to advantage and was a stop gap in a bottom 8 side
Averaged 73 and 11 (yes 11) hitouts as Port's main ruck during 2016

Lobbe - pick him I dare you.
Port - play him I dare you.

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

Ryder is a safe pick guys.

Lets look at Port's ruck stocks.

Trengove - not a ruck never will be, can't jump, can't hitout to advantage and was a stop gap in a bottom 8 side
Averaged 73 and 11 (yes 11) hitouts as Port's main ruck during 2016

Lobbe - pick him I dare you.
Port - play him I dare you.

that hasnt stopped Mumford? still a better option than your guys tbh. (Vardy/Giles/Petrie)
ill just say that he averaged over 8 clearances a game in the ruck (midfield numbers) HTA were irrelevant when he was getting those numbers.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

that hasnt stopped Mumford? still a better option than your guys tbh. (Vardy/Giles/Petrie)
ill just say that he averaged over 8 clearances a game in the ruck (midfield numbers) HTA were irrelevant when he was getting those numbers.

True. His clearance work was first class but his HTA were poo. The new no 3rd man rule benefits tap ruckmen and a tap ruckman Trengove is not.
And yes Mummy is a much better option than any West Coast ruck for the entire 2017. So much so I'm considering starting with him over Gawn.

As for can't jump not stopping Mummy from being an awesome tap ruckman but destroying Trengrove's chances of ever being one.

Mummy is just under two metres tall and 108 kegs round
Jackson is 1.97 but 11 kg lighter and still can't jump

 

[Sydney Kicker]

Ryder is a safe pick guys.

I think Ryder is a great pick - just not at F2. F4 maybe.

 

[Moustachio]

I reckon he will share it with Trengove a bit. Averaged 85 in his only season with port. Can't really see him improving too much on that, therefore won't be a top 8 fwd. That's what it comes down to. Picking him for ruck coverage is like setting a field for bad bowling (as someone pointed out earlier).

Err no it's like placing fielders in spots you think the ball might go.

 

[Fooler]

Err no it's like placing fielders in spots you think the ball might go.

So you're picking Ryder because you think one of your rucks will get injured?

 

[Moustachio]

Majak is dead.
GawnStein looking the good again.
Sandi still offers so much tho.
Gonna be hard to pick which 2 I go with.

TBH I think it's insanity to pass up value of Goldie + Sandi. Gawn is overs due to standard CD start of season inflation, and doesn't get any bonus points for mine as an early VC/C option (look at MEL fixture pre-byes with so many late games + he is a crap captain due to random spud scores + we have Danger/Pendles/Fyfe). Will look for early upgrade and not lose sleep.

None of above have a beard tho so it's tough call.

 

[Moustachio]

Will != Might

 

[Fooler]

Ryder is a safe pick guys.

He's a safe pick for mediocrity my friend. The winner won't start with Ryder!

 

[Flandersss]

He's a safe pick for mediocrity my friend. The winner won't start with Ryder!

Ryder at F4 locked.

If he gets back to the 95-100 form, what's not to like?

Lobbe is a spud & Trengove is a KPD.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

I think Ryder is a great pick - just not at F2. F4 maybe.

Agreed. Or at R1

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

He's a safe pick for mediocrity my friend. The winner won't start with Ryder!

They might not start with him
But they'll finish with him at F4

 

[markm106]

I think Ryder is a very safe pick in the forward line. Gives you a decent backup should one of your starting rucks miss a couple through injury.

 

[Fooler]

They might not start with him
But they'll finish with him at F4

You having him as the 4th overall forward?

 

[gutsroy]

Anyone from GC care to provide opinions as to Jarrod Witts likelihood of playing R1 (and beyond) and his scoring potential?

Think the_chad covered current status well.
Maybe there is a possible selection purpose (e.g. early cash generation / Sandi backup insurance at R3 then flick? Would not R2).
Would then mean no DPP bridge (but Witts as in-built cover) and reduce loophole possibilities (assumes a VC/C-worthy ruck) in that case, I guess.
Out of interest, plugged his 2014 / 2015 scores (70-75 avg - might have scope to go higher if clear no. 1 at GCS) and starting price into a price model.
Would generate around 150k through tradeout based on those numbers (didn't get away to a flyer in either year).
Whether that (hopefully conservative) projection would be worthwhile vs more straightforward options (e.g. M Lynch/Strnadica + RUC/FWD DPP) - not sure.
Thought it was worth thinking about rather than dismissing out of hand. This 'analysis' could be flawed. If it is, it won't take long for it to be pointed out.

 

[TheBeardAmigos]

You having him as the 4th overall forward?

no, he is saying the winner will have him at F4... meaning the 4th best forward in THAT team...