2017 Trade and FA thread

[jackess]

Sorry, it wasn't a late first rounder, it was a late first rounder and some pick swaps. Oh how terrible of me.

Bastinac, pick 38, pick 40, plus a future year 3rd rounder
for
Pick 17, pick 26.

All picks got push back. Yes, pick 17 became pick 21 in the draft. Was still a late first rounder.

WHO GETS WHAT?

Lions: Picks 38, 40, 2016 second-round selection (St Kilda’s), 2016 third-round selection (North’s) and Ryan Bastinac.

Roos: Picks 17, 26, 28 and 47.

Pies: Picks 34, 53 and James Aish.

WHO LOSES WHAT?

Lions: Picks 17 and James Aish.

Roos: Picks 34, 38, 40, 53, 2016 third-round selection and Ryan Bastinac.

Pies: Picks 26, 28, 47 and 2016 second-round selection (St Kilda’s),

http://www.foxsports.com.au/news/af...e/news-story/0f16d7a2f7f53c226a03d9057956a584

 

[John_Proctor]

Let's say the Bastinac trade didn't happen (assume the aish component did aish for 26 and a 2016 second rounder)

Trade was Bastinac, 38, 40 and 2016 3rd rounder for 17 and 26.

We matched hipwood with 2 picks at 38-39 (leuie compensation). Instead we'd have matched hipwood with pick 17 and been given pick 52 for our spare points from that match.

Keays was bid at 24 so we'd have matched him with pick "26" which was actually pick 31 by then because of the number of academy players picked early in the draft. (In reality we used pick 40 and 41 (from bell trade) with some spare points to get a late pick)

We then would have still had the same next pick. Pick. 39 (Mathieson) which in reality was Our own pick 42, in this scenario its the leuie compensation pick.

we then got skinner at 47 with a pick we got from our spare points from using picks 38-41 to match for hippy and Keays.

We likely would have still got skinner with a random compo pick I expect would have been higher than in the 'no basty' scenario than in rea life.

So basically in my mind we got Bastinac and pick 51 in the 2016 draft for absolutely nothing (aside from the list spot and contract). Pick 51 was used as filler in the GWS trade pick 2, 51, 61, 81 for picks 3 and 16.

There is no oppoortunity cost of who we could have used those picks for, we have ended up with the same list we have today without Bastinac and potentially without some different late pick from 2016 (Lyons/Allison?)

 

[Fitzroy bears]

Sorry, it wasn't a late first rounder, it was a late first rounder and some pick swaps. Oh how terrible of me.

Bastinac, pick 38, pick 40, plus a future year 3rd rounder
for
Pick 17, pick 26.

All picks got push back. Yes, pick 17 became pick 21 in the draft. Was still a late first rounder.

I wouldn't worry mate. People with some sort of intelligence can see what you were saying in your original post

 

[Fitzroy bears]

There's a difference between not getting all the facts and completely ignoring them. Presenting a view or opinion that is completely ignorant of facts or states a fact completely incorrectly to try to support that view rightly opens you up to be challenged or criticised. There's nothing wrong with putting out an opinion, and nothing wrong with people questioning it either, that tends to be what happens when opinions get put out there. Putting one out there and using incorrect facts to try to back it up is wrong however and should absolutely be called out.

You are right in the scenarios you have stated. People have the OPTION to call out other who base their veiw point on total fabricated nonsense or use it to support their veiw point. However i don't believe that this has happened in the cases that I was referring to. For example when some one suggests end of first round pick and the FACT is it was multiple secound round and third round picks, I think most intelligent people can see through the inaccuracy to the point said poster was trying to make and given the posters reference was to three way trade and no one here was privy to the actual break down of which picks were for which players, maybe we can give a little latitude to the poster instead of criticizing minor details. Thats what I was referring to. But as you said we are indiduals and we will all disagree on some level and agree on others, I suppose thats the beauty of this forum we all get have an opinion.

 

[spotthedog1]

You are right in the scenarios you have stated. People have the OPTION to call out other who base their veiw point on total fabricated nonsense or use it to support their veiw point. However i don't believe that this has happened in the cases that I was referring to. For example when some one suggests end of first round pick and the FACT is it was multiple secound round and third round picks, I think most intelligent people can see through the inaccuracy to the point said poster was trying to make and given the posters reference was to three way trade and no one here was privy to the actual break down of which picks were for which players, maybe we can give a little latitude to the poster instead of criticizing minor details. Thats what I was referring to. But as you said we are indiduals and we will all disagree on some level and agree on others, I suppose thats the beauty of this forum we all get have an opinion.

Cheers mate. Appreciate the support.

Interestingly, for the Basti trade, you can actually break it down into three separate trades (us with collingwood, collingwood with norf, us with norf), and run the figures independently. Of course, they were all contingent on the other trades occurring, but the figures I gave above are actually the balanced ins-and-outs for our direct trade with North.

 

[jackess]

Cheers mate. Appreciate the support.

Interestingly, for the Basti trade, you can actually break it down into three separate trades (us with collingwood, collingwood with norf, us with norf), and run the figures independently. Of course, they were all contingent on the other trades occurring, but the figures I gave above are actually the balanced ins-and-outs for our direct trade with North.

Ignoring that we probably would've had to use those picks on Hipwood and Keays

 

[M Malice]

From afl.com today- edited for accuracy.

DARCY Parish is keen to stay at Essendon, but won't be worried if his contract talks continue to drag out as he remains unsigned beyond this season.

The emerging Bomber's initial two-year deal with the club expires at the end of this year and, alongside key forward Joe Daniher, Parish is among Essendon's most important re-signings.

The club moved to extend his deal last season but was unable to come to an agreement, with protracted discussions continuing.

As the season edges closer to the halfway point, some rivals are surprised the Dons haven't yet been able to lock away Parish, who has played 27 of a possible 29 games since landing at Essendon as its prized No.5 pick at the 2015 NAB AFL Draft.

But the 19-year-old said he sees himself staying in the red and black.

"Obviously there's a bit of contract talk going around, but it's not something I'm really focused on. I'm just focused on playing good footy and enjoying my time here at Essendon," Parish told AFL.com.au.

"My managers are going through that with the club at the moment, so hopefully we get it done pretty soon because I obviously have no intentions of leaving the club, because it's been great so far and I'm loving every minute of it. Hopefully we get it done soon."

Parish continued, "I am going away on a fishing trip with Matho over the bye weekend and I am really looking forward to discussing my options going forward with a very close friend who's opinion I really value."

Darcy declined to comment when he was asked about the rumors of him looking at property options in the Springfield area, a developing region on the outskirts of Brisbane.

Greater Springfield located right on Brisbane’s doorstep is Australia’s fastest emerging new city. It drives one of the nation’s fastest urban growth corridors and is the only fully master planned city to be built in Australia other than Canberra.

Parish has taken no time to establish himself as a key part of Essendon's future, after averaging 20.7 disposals in his debut season and finishing fourth overall in the NAB AFL Rising Star award.

He understands the longer he stays out of contract for next year the more speculation about his future will arise, but the Geelong Falcons product is confident an extension will probably get sorted.

"I'm one of those blokes who doesn't get too fazed by too many things. I think it will all take care of itself in the end and I'm really looking forward to hopefully getting a deal done and locking it away," he said.

Parish has had a consistent start to this season, with standout performances coming in the Bombers' wins over Hawthorn (in round one) and Collingwood (round five) when he gathered 25 disposals in both outings.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-11/i-obviously-have-no-intentions-of-leaving-parish

 

[Fatcat08]

You are right in the scenarios you have stated. People have the OPTION to call out other who base their veiw point on total fabricated nonsense or use it to support their veiw point. However i don't believe that this has happened in the cases that I was referring to. For example when some one suggests end of first round pick and the FACT is it was multiple secound round and third round picks, I think most intelligent people can see through the inaccuracy to the point said poster was trying to make and given the posters reference was to three way trade and no one here was privy to the actual break down of which picks were for which players, maybe we can give a little latitude to the poster instead of criticizing minor details. Thats what I was referring to. But as you said we are indiduals and we will all disagree on some level and agree on others, I suppose thats the beauty of this forum we all get have an opinion.

Give the point the post was trying to make was that we overpaid for Bastinac (and bell) its a bit hard to "see through" an inaccurate point thats backing it up. Not to mention its completely ignoring a whole bunch of circumstances around academy bidding that absolutely affects how those picks were valued by us as a club. It wasn't a minor detail, it was a major one. It wasn't actually a second round pick, in affect (if you look at the post by John Proctor which gives an excellent summation) it was bastinac or a late pick in the 50's-60's. For a guy who was best 22 in our side last year and is on the fringe this year, thats not really overpaying (based on a lot of trades you see every year), at worst its pretty neutral. So I fail to see how something like the above is a minor detail.

If i said to you we gave up an end of first round pick for Bastinac or we gave up pick 60, do you believe that thats a minor difference? Does the point being made still hold as much weight in the second scenario? I tend to think not but then again maybe i'm over valuing the importance of a 43 pick difference.

 

[Eons]

From afl.com today- edited for accuracy.

DARCY Parish is keen to stay at Essendon, but won't be worried if his contract talks continue to drag out as he remains unsigned beyond this season.

The emerging Bomber's initial two-year deal with the club expires at the end of this year and, alongside key forward Joe Daniher, Parish is among Essendon's most important re-signings.

The club moved to extend his deal last season but was unable to come to an agreement, with protracted discussions continuing.

As the season edges closer to the halfway point, some rivals are surprised the Dons haven't yet been able to lock away Parish, who has played 27 of a possible 29 games since landing at Essendon as its prized No.5 pick at the 2015 NAB AFL Draft.

But the 19-year-old said he sees himself staying in the red and black.

"Obviously there's a bit of contract talk going around, but it's not something I'm really focused on. I'm just focused on playing good footy and enjoying my time here at Essendon," Parish told AFL.com.au.

"My managers are going through that with the club at the moment, so hopefully we get it done pretty soon because I obviously have no intentions of leaving the club, because it's been great so far and I'm loving every minute of it. Hopefully we get it done soon."

Parish continued, "I am going away on a fishing trip with Matho over the bye weekend and I am really looking forward to discussing my options going forward with a very close friend who's opinion I really value."

Darcy declined to comment when he was asked about the rumors of him looking at property options in the Springfield area, a developing region on the outskirts of Brisbane.

Greater Springfield located right on Brisbane’s doorstep is Australia’s fastest emerging new city. It drives one of the nation’s fastest urban growth corridors and is the only fully master planned city to be built in Australia other than Canberra.

Parish has taken no time to establish himself as a key part of Essendon's future, after averaging 20.7 disposals in his debut season and finishing fourth overall in the NAB AFL Rising Star award.

He understands the longer he stays out of contract for next year the more speculation about his future will arise, but the Geelong Falcons product is confident an extension will probably get sorted.

"I'm one of those blokes who doesn't get too fazed by too many things. I think it will all take care of itself in the end and I'm really looking forward to hopefully getting a deal done and locking it away," he said.

Parish has had a consistent start to this season, with standout performances coming in the Bombers' wins over Hawthorn (in round one) and Collingwood (round five) when he gathered 25 disposals in both outings.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-11/i-obviously-have-no-intentions-of-leaving-parish

Hopefully the club is right into him, about time we got some elite young talent coming back our way for a change.

 

[Billy Puller]

Declined to comment on the Springfield rumours... interesting

 

[Eons]

Declined to comment on the Springfield rumours... interesting

Him and Matho are buying a house. One can dream.

 

[SizeMatters]

Probably investment. Would be a good area one would think. He seems fairly certain he won't be leaving Essendon.

 

[lionshine]

Declined to comment on the Springfield rumours... interesting

Him and Matho are buying a house. One can dream.

Probably investment. Would be a good area one would think. He seems fairly certain he won't be leaving Essendon.

You guys do realise jason pm wrote that?

 

[Dalions]

From afl.com today- edited for accuracy.

DARCY Parish is keen to stay at Essendon, but won't be worried if his contract talks continue to drag out as he remains unsigned beyond this season.

The emerging Bomber's initial two-year deal with the club expires at the end of this year and, alongside key forward Joe Daniher, Parish is among Essendon's most important re-signings.

The club moved to extend his deal last season but was unable to come to an agreement, with protracted discussions continuing.

As the season edges closer to the halfway point, some rivals are surprised the Dons haven't yet been able to lock away Parish, who has played 27 of a possible 29 games since landing at Essendon as its prized No.5 pick at the 2015 NAB AFL Draft.

But the 19-year-old said he sees himself staying in the red and black.

"Obviously there's a bit of contract talk going around, but it's not something I'm really focused on. I'm just focused on playing good footy and enjoying my time here at Essendon," Parish told AFL.com.au.

"My managers are going through that with the club at the moment, so hopefully we get it done pretty soon because I obviously have no intentions of leaving the club, because it's been great so far and I'm loving every minute of it. Hopefully we get it done soon."

Parish continued, "I am going away on a fishing trip with Matho over the bye weekend and I am really looking forward to discussing my options going forward with a very close friend who's opinion I really value."

Darcy declined to comment when he was asked about the rumors of him looking at property options in the Springfield area, a developing region on the outskirts of Brisbane.

Greater Springfield located right on Brisbane’s doorstep is Australia’s fastest emerging new city. It drives one of the nation’s fastest urban growth corridors and is the only fully master planned city to be built in Australia other than Canberra.

Parish has taken no time to establish himself as a key part of Essendon's future, after averaging 20.7 disposals in his debut season and finishing fourth overall in the NAB AFL Rising Star award.

He understands the longer he stays out of contract for next year the more speculation about his future will arise, but the Geelong Falcons product is confident an extension will probably get sorted.

"I'm one of those blokes who doesn't get too fazed by too many things. I think it will all take care of itself in the end and I'm really looking forward to hopefully getting a deal done and locking it away," he said.

Parish has had a consistent start to this season, with standout performances coming in the Bombers' wins over Hawthorn (in round one) and Collingwood (round five) when he gathered 25 disposals in both outings.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-11/i-obviously-have-no-intentions-of-leaving-parish

Dreamer!

 

[Eons]

You guys do realise jason pm wrote that?

Someone should post it on Essendons board.

 

[ZoBlitz]

No one start an Operation thread.

 

[M Malice]

You guys do realise jason pm wrote that?

I am assuming BP, E and SM were just embellishing on the joke.

 

[carnthemlions]

From afl.com today- edited for accuracy.

DARCY Parish is keen to stay at Essendon, but won't be worried if his contract talks continue to drag out as he remains unsigned beyond this season.

The emerging Bomber's initial two-year deal with the club expires at the end of this year and, alongside key forward Joe Daniher, Parish is among Essendon's most important re-signings.

The club moved to extend his deal last season but was unable to come to an agreement, with protracted discussions continuing.

As the season edges closer to the halfway point, some rivals are surprised the Dons haven't yet been able to lock away Parish, who has played 27 of a possible 29 games since landing at Essendon as its prized No.5 pick at the 2015 NAB AFL Draft.

But the 19-year-old said he sees himself staying in the red and black.

"Obviously there's a bit of contract talk going around, but it's not something I'm really focused on. I'm just focused on playing good footy and enjoying my time here at Essendon," Parish told AFL.com.au.

"My managers are going through that with the club at the moment, so hopefully we get it done pretty soon because I obviously have no intentions of leaving the club, because it's been great so far and I'm loving every minute of it. Hopefully we get it done soon."

Parish continued, "I am going away on a fishing trip with Matho over the bye weekend and I am really looking forward to discussing my options going forward with a very close friend who's opinion I really value."

Darcy declined to comment when he was asked about the rumors of him looking at property options in the Springfield area, a developing region on the outskirts of Brisbane.

Greater Springfield located right on Brisbane’s doorstep is Australia’s fastest emerging new city. It drives one of the nation’s fastest urban growth corridors and is the only fully master planned city to be built in Australia other than Canberra.

Parish has taken no time to establish himself as a key part of Essendon's future, after averaging 20.7 disposals in his debut season and finishing fourth overall in the NAB AFL Rising Star award.

He understands the longer he stays out of contract for next year the more speculation about his future will arise, but the Geelong Falcons product is confident an extension will probably get sorted.

"I'm one of those blokes who doesn't get too fazed by too many things. I think it will all take care of itself in the end and I'm really looking forward to hopefully getting a deal done and locking it away," he said.

Parish has had a consistent start to this season, with standout performances coming in the Bombers' wins over Hawthorn (in round one) and Collingwood (round five) when he gathered 25 disposals in both outings.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2017-05-11/i-obviously-have-no-intentions-of-leaving-parish

A 19 year old looking to invest in property in Springfield of all places? Surely not.

 

[spotthedog1]

Give the point the post was trying to make was that we overpaid for Bastinac (and bell) its a bit hard to "see through" an inaccurate point thats backing it up. Not to mention its completely ignoring a whole bunch of circumstances around academy bidding that absolutely affects how those picks were valued by us as a club. It wasn't a minor detail, it was a major one. It wasn't actually a second round pick, in affect (if you look at the post by John Proctor which gives an excellent summation) it was bastinac or a late pick in the 50's-60's. For a guy who was best 22 in our side last year and is on the fringe this year, thats not really overpaying (based on a lot of trades you see every year), at worst its pretty neutral. So I fail to see how something like the above is a minor detail.

If i said to you we gave up an end of first round pick for Bastinac or we gave up pick 60, do you believe that thats a minor difference? Does the point being made still hold as much weight in the second scenario? I tend to think not but then again maybe i'm over valuing the importance of a 43 pick difference.

Ah yes, the circumstances surrounding. Well, if you dig a little deeper, we got pick 17 in a trade (I'd love us to have pick 17 naturally, but I don't think it's realistic), which means that we don't have to use it for Academy bidding. We could opt to use pick 17 on academy players, but we could also opt not to, and instead match with later picks... We traded pick 17 for Basti and a swap of other picks.

 

[jackess]

Ah yes, the circumstances surrounding. Well, if you dig a little deeper, we got pick 17 in a trade (I'd love us to have pick 17 naturally, but I don't think it's realistic), which means that we don't have to use it for Academy bidding. We could opt to use pick 17 on academy players, but we could also opt not to, and instead match with later picks... We traded pick 17 for Basti and a swap of other picks.

This is incorrect

 

[snooplions]

That Springfield talk in the article fitted in so seemlessly. Got pretty excited about the thought of Parish coming to Brisbane.

 

[Billy Puller]

Well I feel stupid now

 

[SizeMatters]

I am assuming BP, E and SM were just embellishing on the joke.

Ofcourse

 

[Fitzroy bears]

Give the point the post was trying to make was that we overpaid for Bastinac (and bell) its a bit hard to "see through" an inaccurate point thats backing it up. Not to mention its completely ignoring a whole bunch of circumstances around academy bidding that absolutely affects how those picks were valued by us as a club. It wasn't a minor detail, it was a major one. It wasn't actually a second round pick, in affect (if you look at the post by John Proctor which gives an excellent summation) it was bastinac or a late pick in the 50's-60's. For a guy who was best 22 in our side last year and is on the fringe this year, thats not really overpaying (based on a lot of trades you see every year), at worst its pretty neutral. So I fail to see how something like the above is a minor detail.

If i said to you we gave up an end of first round pick for Bastinac or we gave up pick 60, do you believe that thats a minor difference? Does the point being made still hold as much weight in the second scenario? I tend to think not but then again maybe i'm over valuing the importance of a 43 pick difference.

Though I can see your point of veiw. Your argument is based on the entire trade and draft overall and its outcomes, again accuratley stated, however the bastinac deal in isolation is the essence of his view I believe and though I would love to believe the lions new exactly where our academy boys would fall on the night I don't think you can add it to the argument of if we over paid or not IF you look at the deal in isolation . However we have history to look upon now to refute any arguments to contrary. So I am inclined to agree with you

 

[Fatcat08]

Ah yes, the circumstances surrounding. Well, if you dig a little deeper, we got pick 17 in a trade (I'd love us to have pick 17 naturally, but I don't think it's realistic), which means that we don't have to use it for Academy bidding. We could opt to use pick 17 on academy players, but we could also opt not to, and instead match with later picks... We traded pick 17 for Basti and a swap of other picks.

Actually that only applies to future traded picks so that would be incorrect again.