2017 Trade and FA thread

[winged1]

Our midfield is more to blame for scores conceded than our defence.

And have been for a number of years, we got scorched on the turnover yesterday.

 

[Cockliff38]

Our midfield is more to blame for scores conceded than our defence.

Yeah our fully fit midfield are predominately one-way runners. The shoulder injuries (and subsequent tackling liabilities) to Beams and Rocky have only extrapolated this

 

[jjami15]

Think you guys need a few experienced players to balance the list. I’m sure you don’t want to settle for other teams discards but gonna throw out Jeremy Laidler as a name I think could be a good fit for the Lions. Can’t seem to make his way into the Swans line up this year in defence and is a solid no nonsense back man doing very well in the NEAFL. He lacks pace but reads the game very well and is a good intercept mark. You have the making of a very good defence but think you need an old head and he comes from a team with statistically speaking a very good defence over the last number of years.

You are correct in that we need some mature heads in our squad. However Fagan has said that currently that we won't be bringing in anyone that won't be part of a premiership drive. This year and next will be towards the draft and after that i can see th club bringing in FA's or trades that will cost a bit but will add to our bunch. And, yes a mature head or two would help at that stage.

 

[LIONS08]

Oscar is attracting some serious attention from some Victorian teams from reports! I have some mates at Montrose (where he played before Casey) and they are saying there have been a number of clubs inquiring about his services. They seem to think he will stick around another year though so no need to worry yet. He is still very very raw!!

 

[jackess]

MOre than anything we need someone to organise the backline but they also have to be good enough to make the team on their own merit. I think Laidler offers much which is why he can't get a game.

 

[Banyo Bloods]

You are correct in that we need some mature heads in our squad. However Fagan has said that currently that we won't be bringing in anyone that won't be part of a premiership drive. This year and next will be towards the draft and after that i can see th club bringing in FA's or trades that will cost a bit but will add to our bunch. And, yes a mature head or two would help at that stage.

I find it a little strange to continue down the backing development road. Brisbane have shown great signs but if you follow what some of the teams at the top are doing they are reinvigorating the list and blooding players but staying competitive. Anyway Fagan comes from that type of environment so you back his judgement of course. Probably on the cusp, and reality is that Dayne Beams, Robinson and Christensen actually fit available to play for the year would have probably answered somewhat to what I think you're lacking.

 

[Banyo Bloods]

MOre than anything we need someone to organise the backline but they also have to be good enough to make the team on their own merit. I think Laidler offers much which is why he can't get a game.

Aliir Aliir can't get a game in our defence either at the moment and he is a talent. The guys in have been doing the job and being rewarded as such. Anyway enough about my team in your boards draft/trade thread.

 

[Comeback Lions]

Next year Cat A rookies can play without being upgraded due to injury etc (they just get paid less). Wouldn't be opposed to Barrett staying on the rookie list for another year but getting similar game time to this year. I'd also keep Hinge, Grewar and McInerney as you can never have too much midfield/ruck depth and having continuity in our NEAFL team can only be good for the club overall. Hanley stays if we can invoke some kind of clause with the AFL due how much of his time as a rookie he spent injured, otherwise I think he (unfortunately) goes because we can't afford a list spot for someone so speculative this year.

William I think is a possibility to be delisted which is a shame since I'd love him to succeed but his off-field attitude has been lacking and he still hasn't developed a defensive mindset based on his efforts in the NEAFL. I also think Hammelmann will be gone since he's realistically behind Schache/Hipwood/Close as well as guys like Walker, McStay and Skinner who can play forward and back and generally offer more around the ground, plus we're likely to pick up Ballenden. He's shown enough that he may get re-rookied elsewhere by a club desperate for tall forward depth, although that would depend obviously on his willingness to move interstate.

Great post... I agree that we should keep the players you suggest. As for Reuben William, he actually led the team for tackles on the weekend. 8 tackles to go with 21 disposals and 5 marks. Although I wasn't at the game, that suggests he's working on his defensive performance. We desperately need players with pace.. and off-field issues can be fixed. I'd be giving him another year.

Because of the fallout from the Go-home 5, we have tended to rush players into the ones over the last few years. Players often wait 3 or 4 years for opportunities at the top clubs. Two years on a list is not really enough, from a development persepective. Fagan said that, admittedly in relation to first round draft picks, but it really applies to all players, particularly if they're young. Would be great to find a way of keeping Hammer rather than sending him elsewhere, if we can. If not, we should try to trade him to a club like Richmond. GWS have done really well with trades of key position players.

 

[Comeback Lions]

MOre than anything we need someone to organise the backline but they also have to be good enough to make the team on their own merit. I think Laidler offers much which is why he can't get a game.

Do you mean "don't think Laidler offers much"?

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Fagan rates Barrett. No chance of being delisted

 

[jackess]

Do you mean "don't think Laidler offers much"?

Yep

 

[carnthemlions]

I just dont think we've seen enough improvement in Hammer over 3 years. He's still way too small and a long way off becoming an AFL footballer with younger guys overtaking him.

It depends on how much stock you put in his NEAFL performances, he seems to have shown that he can get a lot of the ball at times and can also convert that into multiple goals- something Close just can't do at the moment.

I would keep both.

Close has value, he is only 22 his best is still 3-4 years away. I thought he went ok today and played his role.

Harzy can become a goal kicking defensive small fwd. His skill level is streets ahead of Barrett and Harzy is only 25. If he has some luck with injury he still has plenty to offer.

I would think Beams, Jansen, Freeman, Clayton would be the likely delistings, with a couple of players contracted for next year unloaded if possible. The rookie list will be cleaned out with Hammer getting listed, Hanley if he can be rookied again and the others going.

I find it difficult to see Harwood getting another contract, if he's not in the frame for senior selection now you'd think he has to be on the way out.

 

[POBT]

I find it a little strange to continue down the backing development road. Brisbane have shown great signs but if you follow what some of the teams at the top are doing they are reinvigorating the list and blooding players but staying competitive. Anyway Fagan comes from that type of environment so you back his judgement of course. Probably on the cusp, and reality is that Dayne Beams, Robinson and Christensen actually fit available to play for the year would have probably answered somewhat to what I think you're lacking.

Doesn't that go to show that there are different strategies depending on where you are in the development cycle? I think that clubs at the top can continue to add resources through trade and free agency because they have a solid core of A and B grade players. For sides at the bottom, the primary motivation has to be to build that core in the first place and use trades etc as an ancillary method of bringing talent to your club. Once we have the core in place, we can start to look at adding to it.

 

[Banyo Bloods]

Doesn't that go to show that there are different strategies depending on where you are in the development cycle? I think that clubs at the top can continue to add resources through trade and free agency because they have a solid core of A and B grade players. For sides at the bottom, the primary motivation has to be to build that core in the first place and use trades etc as an ancillary method of bringing talent to your club. Once we have the core in place, we can start to look at adding to it.

Agree but still think you could do with 2 more experienced heads or at least those injured to become available so makes my point a bit moot.

 

[Forward We Go]

Aliir Aliir can't get a game in our defence either at the moment and he is a talent. The guys in have been doing the job and being rewarded as such. Anyway enough about my team in your boards draft/trade thread.

He was very close last week and almost a certainty to be selected this week against Geelong.

 

[a mayes ing]

Agree but still think you could do with 2 more experienced heads or at least those injured to become available so makes my point a bit moot.

Robinson and Chrensten, as you said, are 2 experienced players but injured atm. They are best 22 when fit and would fit straight back into our team and add quite a bit. I think we are set for experienced players, we just need them to stop getting injured.

 

[SizeMatters]

Agree but still think you could do with 2 more experienced heads or at least those injured to become available so makes my point a bit moot.

I agree, but I also think if we try to bring in mature talent they will have to fill a need and be part of our next premiership tilt (Laidler doesn't fit either of those). Charlie Cameron is a name that is often been linked to a Lions move. He fits the bill perfectly and is a great example.

 

[LongLion]

I find it difficult to see Harwood getting another contract, if he's not in the frame for senior selection now you'd think he has to be on the way out.

I think he is in the frame but got injured (again) and dropped out, then a couple of games in the ressies for match fitness. I really like him for forward pressure and he is an accurate (short) kick

 

[Banyo Bloods]

I agree, but I also think if we try to bring in mature talent they will have to fill a need and be part of our next premiership tilt (Laidler doesn't fit either of those). Charlie Cameron is a name that is often been linked to a Lions move. He fits the bill perfectly and is a great example.

He would be a great in, though with him what does it cost your club to secure his signature. If he is keen to come home maybe not so much. Anyway Laidler was just a name I was thinking about that wouldn't cost you anything. I'm sure there are others on lists Lions would target well before him.

 

[WheildonTheAxe]

He would be a great in, though with him what does it cost your club to secure his signature. If he is keen to come home maybe not so much. Anyway Laidler was just a name I was thinking about that wouldn't cost you anything. I'm sure there are others on lists Lions would target well before him.

It was later revealed that Jeremy Laidler had been doing some grass roots self promotion under the alias 'Banyo Bloods'

 

[M Malice]

From the upcoming media info thread, thanks Maboo

Beams said he had been rejuvenated by the quick turnaround the club had experienced under new coach Chris Fagan. He said there was a critical shortage in the middle-tier of experience – players in the 24 to 26 years-of-age – bracket and a strong finish was important to help lure players North during the end of year trade period.

He thought any players contemplating a move would be impressed with the first to third year players at the Lions.

“Hopefully we are pretty active in the trade period, for anyone we might be looking to get to the club it is important to demonstrate the spirit in the group and the belief that we are going places,’’ he said.

Interesting, I wonder who is out there in that age bracket that we can entice north. I have a feeling in my bones that Fagan, Noble and Ambrogio may pull off an unexpected coup this trade period.
26 YEARS OLD
Matthew Broadbent, Hamish Hartlett, Mitch Brown, Phil Davis, Shaun McKernan, Tom Lynch, Charlie Dixon, Jackson Trengove, Jordan Roughead, Taylor Hunt, Ryan Schoenmakers, Jonathon Beech, Aaron Hall, Luke Breust, Ciaran Sheehan, Aaron Black, Rhys Stanley, Jack Redden, Jack Redpath, Chris Yarran, Steele Sidebottom, Shane Savage, Michael Walters, Tom Jonas, Jonathon Ceglar, Timothy Smith, Dan Hannebery, Liam Jones, David Astbury, Jack Ziebell, Tom Hickey, Majak Daw, Steven Motlop, Rory Thompson, Mason Cox, Josh Cowan, Jack Watts, Mark Blicavs, Jasper Pittard, Sam Shaw, Taylor Duryea, Liam Shiels, Tom Scully, Allen Christensen, Brad Sheppard, Mark Hutchings, Gary Rohan, Mitch Duncan, Tom Bell, Koby Stevens, Dylan Roberton, Ryan Bastinac, Ryan Abbott, Nathan Vardy, Jack Fitzpatrick, Dustin Martin, Ben Cunnington, Andrew Phillips, Dylan Grimes

25 YEARS OLD
Shane Biggs, Ryan Harwood, Travis Colyer, Jake Melksham, Patrick Ambrose, Claye Beams, Jack Trengove, Daniel Menzel, Ben Griffiths, Nat Fyfe, Jamie Macmillan, Jake Carlisle, Ben Sinclair, Josh Thomas, Daniel Talia, Corey Maynard, Matt Korcheck, Matt Dea, Jack Gunston, Tom Campbell, Kyle Hartigan, Kane Lambert, Sam Reid, Max Gawn, Ben Jacobs, Steven May, Brodie Smith, Alex Keath, Paul Seedsman, Sam Gray, Matt Shaw, Jake Batchelor, Maverick Weller, Daniel Lloyd, Aaron Mullett, Jack Frost, Anthony Miles, Alex Johnson, Aaron Vandenberg, Tom Nicholls, Hugh Greenwood, Sam Menegola, Brandon Matera, Jordan Murdoch, Trent McKenzie, Jeremy McGovern, Jamie Cripps, Tom Ruggles, Dyson Heppell, Tom Liberatore, Nick Haynes, Cameron Sutcliffe, Daniel Gorringe, Josh Bruce, Alex Fasolo, Billie Smedts, Jack Darling, Andrew Gaff, Will Langford, Adam Kennedy, Ben McNiece, Sam Naismith, Jarryd Lyons

24 YEARS OLD
Reece Conca, Cameron Guthrie, Luke Dahlhaus, Jamie Elliott, Mitch Hallahan, Josh Green, Ryan Lester, Sam Day, Shaun Atley, Jarrod Witts, Tom McDonald, Luke Brown, Scott Lycett, Josh Caddy, Harley Bennell, Jared Polec, Dion Prestia, Jed Lamb, Mitch Wallis, Luke Parker, Tom Lynch, Adam Oxley, Jason Johannisen, Josh Walker, David Swallow, Ben Brown, Aaron Young, George Horlin-Smith, Nathan Wilson, Nic Newman, Cam Ellis-Yolmen, Paul Hunter, Rory Lobb, Michael Talia, Blake Grewar, Jack Newnes, Jackson Merrett, Jack Hombsch, Dylan Shiel, Adam Treloar, Curtly Hampton, Shane Kersten, Tom Stewart, Dylan Buckley, Jeremy Cameron, Simon Tunbridge, Tomas Bugg, Joel Hamling, Nathan Broad, Robbie Fox, Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti, Sam Kerridge, Tom Downie, Todd Elton, Sebastian Ross, Clay Smith, Billy Longer, Jonathon Patton, Devon Smith, Rupert Wills, Lachie Neale, Tom Mitchell, Fletcher Roberts, Lin Jong, Michael Hartley, Dom Tyson, Matt Taberner, Jacob Townsend, Jimmy Webster, Marcus Adams, Bradley Hill, Fraser McInnes, Marley Williams, Chad Wingard

 

[Fitzroy bears]

From the upcoming media info thread, thanks Maboo

Interesting, I wonder who is out there in that age bracket that we can entice north. I have a feeling in my bones that Fagan, Noble and Ambrogio may pull off an unexpected coup this trade period.
26 YEARS OLD
Matthew Broadbent, Hamish Hartlett, Mitch Brown, Phil Davis, Shaun McKernan, Tom Lynch, Charlie Dixon, Jackson Trengove, Jordan Roughead, Taylor Hunt, Ryan Schoenmakers, Jonathon Beech, Aaron Hall, Luke Breust, Ciaran Sheehan, Aaron Black, Rhys Stanley, Jack Redden, Jack Redpath, Chris Yarran, Steele Sidebottom, Shane Savage, Michael Walters, Tom Jonas, Jonathon Ceglar, Timothy Smith, Dan Hannebery, Liam Jones, David Astbury, Jack Ziebell, Tom Hickey, Majak Daw, Steven Motlop, Rory Thompson, Mason Cox, Josh Cowan, Jack Watts, Mark Blicavs, Jasper Pittard, Sam Shaw, Taylor Duryea, Liam Shiels, Tom Scully, Allen Christensen, Brad Sheppard, Mark Hutchings, Gary Rohan, Mitch Duncan, Tom Bell, Koby Stevens, Dylan Roberton, Ryan Bastinac, Ryan Abbott, Nathan Vardy, Jack Fitzpatrick, Dustin Martin, Ben Cunnington, Andrew Phillips, Dylan Grimes

25 YEARS OLD
Shane Biggs, Ryan Harwood, Travis Colyer, Jake Melksham, Patrick Ambrose, Claye Beams, Jack Trengove, Daniel Menzel, Ben Griffiths, Nat Fyfe, Jamie Macmillan, Jake Carlisle, Ben Sinclair, Josh Thomas, Daniel Talia, Corey Maynard, Matt Korcheck, Matt Dea, Jack Gunston, Tom Campbell, Kyle Hartigan, Kane Lambert, Sam Reid, Max Gawn, Ben Jacobs, Steven May, Brodie Smith, Alex Keath, Paul Seedsman, Sam Gray, Matt Shaw, Jake Batchelor, Maverick Weller, Daniel Lloyd, Aaron Mullett, Jack Frost, Anthony Miles, Alex Johnson, Aaron Vandenberg, Tom Nicholls, Hugh Greenwood, Sam Menegola, Brandon Matera, Jordan Murdoch, Trent McKenzie, Jeremy McGovern, Jamie Cripps, Tom Ruggles, Dyson Heppell, Tom Liberatore, Nick Haynes, Cameron Sutcliffe, Daniel Gorringe, Josh Bruce, Alex Fasolo, Billie Smedts, Jack Darling, Andrew Gaff, Will Langford, Adam Kennedy, Ben McNiece, Sam Naismith, Jarryd Lyons

24 YEARS OLD
Reece Conca, Cameron Guthrie, Luke Dahlhaus, Jamie Elliott, Mitch Hallahan, Josh Green, Ryan Lester, Sam Day, Shaun Atley, Jarrod Witts, Tom McDonald, Luke Brown, Scott Lycett, Josh Caddy, Harley Bennell, Jared Polec, Dion Prestia, Jed Lamb, Mitch Wallis, Luke Parker, Tom Lynch, Adam Oxley, Jason Johannisen, Josh Walker, David Swallow, Ben Brown, Aaron Young, George Horlin-Smith, Nathan Wilson, Nic Newman, Cam Ellis-Yolmen, Paul Hunter, Rory Lobb, Michael Talia, Blake Grewar, Jack Newnes, Jackson Merrett, Jack Hombsch, Dylan Shiel, Adam Treloar, Curtly Hampton, Shane Kersten, Tom Stewart, Dylan Buckley, Jeremy Cameron, Simon Tunbridge, Tomas Bugg, Joel Hamling, Nathan Broad, Robbie Fox, Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti, Sam Kerridge, Tom Downie, Todd Elton, Sebastian Ross, Clay Smith, Billy Longer, Jonathon Patton, Devon Smith, Rupert Wills, Lachie Neale, Tom Mitchell, Fletcher Roberts, Lin Jong, Michael Hartley, Dom Tyson, Matt Taberner, Jacob Townsend, Jimmy Webster, Marcus Adams, Bradley Hill, Fraser McInnes, Marley Williams, Chad Wingard

Will be interested to see how they manage the trade period. If they can some how bring in a top 15 draftee + Ballenden and 2 mature b grade players ( that could develop into a graders) while keeping rocky would be a massive coup for the club. Might be tough

 

[M Malice]

Will be interested to see how they manage the trade period. If they can some how bring in a top 15 draftee + Ballenden and 2 mature b grade players ( that could develop into a graders) while keeping rocky would be a massive coup for the club. Might be tough

Yep, looking at that list of players what about these that fit needs, only looking at B+/A grade players eg. Dylan Shiel, Devon Smith(OOC), Tom Liberatore, Dustin Martin(RFA), Steele Sidebottom.

 

[Fitzroy bears]

Yep, looking at that list of players what about these that fit needs, only looking at B+/A grade players eg. Dylan Shiel, Devon Smith(OOC), Tom Liberatore, Dustin Martin(RFA), Steele Sidebottom.

Would love devon smith, however I think it might be tough to get those sorts of players. Cameron and hopper would be good gets IF the club can manage it, having already been linked to those guys, although you never know what might transpire throughout the trade period. Personally I would love to see the club get creative with our early 1st rounder and trade back for a top 10 or 15, a 2nd rounder this year and 2nd rounder in next years draft or alternatively trade it for a top10 this year and a 1st rounder next year or 2x top10-15 draft picks this year.
The first scenario would give us a lot of flexibility without loosing alot in the way of who we might target this year ( as most recruiters have rated the top 6-8 mids fairly even), it would allow us to secure Ballenden with pick 15 or 18 ( at worst with our first pick, which would mean we use pick 15 on best mid) use the other to secure the first mature player and use the other 2nd rounder aquired from trading back to aquire the other mature player. We then set ourselves up for next years bumper draft with 3 picks in the first 2 rounds and upgrade a rookie ( barrett imo).
Scenario 2 would complicate the clubs ability to aquire 2 quality mature players but would further enhance our draft position for next years draft, imo this would not benefit the club unless they could guarantee they could secure a better talent or afl ready talent at that pick.
Scenario 3 ( 2 top10-15 picks this year) this could enable the club to aquire 2 mature players, Ballenden and a top end mid and maybe enhance their position in the draft next year which would be a bonus if they chose to on trade one of the first rounders for multiple picks. I am sure more informed people such as noble and fagan will get what ever the club needs and whats best for the club. As you said previously, have a feeling that this offseason will be extremely exciting and have great surprises for all lions fans and one which I hope will send us up the ladder next year.

 

[Dylan12]

Reported on On the Couch that Tom Rockliff has been offered a new contract by the Lions, but it is for less than what he is currently on.

Read into that what you will.