2017 Trade and FA thread

[Ranga Hardie]

Rocky wants years, will sacrifice $$. Family first this time.

Yep. Fair enough too.

 

[Dalions]

95% of kids who get drafted to the AFL are from a private school. Staggering but true.

Our public school system is based around union. At BBC if you are a prefect you are attend all rugby games, i expect it is the same at other schools. We do lose promising juniors to union. Not a ton of them but enough.

There is no strong school comp up here in the private schools. To me this is a point that needs to be addressed, but you are pushing against 100 years of history. It won't be easy.

Girls participation numbers are up, but there was a drop off a bit into the season. Some strong clubs got dropped back divisions.

And this comment will be popular...

Part of this is because they have pushed hard for women to be the coaches many of whom have never played. Skills Dev is appalling and needs to be addressed for the girls. It is not they can't do it or learn it, it just isn't taught well enough.

Union sux, never been a fan of union.
And the Aussies are pretty hopeless.
I was not a private school boy though.

 

[Dalions]

IMO, we will never be self sufficient with local players on our list and we will always have a small % of locally produced players. Its just not that popular up here. The academy is great but will never provide us with a list any greater than 15-20% I think.

Yep, we may pick up a couple this year, but we will be losing a couple too.
Sadly, the talent just isn't there at the moment.
The club wanted to get to 30% I think. Might be a long time coming.

 

[winged1]

IMO, we will never be self sufficient with local players on our list and we will always have a small % of locally produced players. Its just not that popular up here. The academy is great but will never provide us with a list any greater than 15-20% I think.

Self sufficient no, nor would we want to be because that would make us insular.

15-20% is one maybe two a year. We are doing that now. I don't have an answer on how to make it more popular (though the local top tier team winning more than a handful of games a year is a start ).

I think a realistic goal is 50% of draftees are local and filling the majority of rookie spots with locals. In 5 years this is achievable.

In a lot of ways Brisbane Lions exist to be the flag ship for the code here, the club needs to be seen to be supporting the local kids by giving them a shot. This will give a kick on affect of more kids participating if they can see a viable pathway.

It is a bit of a catch 22 between participation numbers, skill dev, a pathway, having enough good local talent and being competitive at the top level.

You talk of popularity this year started with 41 under 12 boys teams in bjafl across 5 divs. Under 13 girls went from one div of 7 teams last year to two divisions across I think 13 teams this year. That is because all of a sudden they can see a path. It won't be for all of them, but there is strong participation.

 

[Ironmonger]

Some top analysis in this thread, winged1. Very interesting reading.

 

[M Malice]

My eldest grandson goes to Brisbane State High and the AFL program is a bit of a joke, it's all union, union, union then cricket, cricket, cricket. Would take decades to change that mindset if ever.

 

[winged1]

Some top analysis in this thread, winged1. Very interesting reading.

I have my moments.

 

[Dylan12]

AFL Trade Rumours: Tom Rockliff

It’s a bit hard to picture Tom Rockliff not wearing a Brisbane guernsey – but it’s a sight we may have to get used to in 2018. On Monday the rumour broke that Port Adelaide are leading the race for the signature of the former Lions captain, who is a restricted free agent.

Rockliff considered his trade options last year but ultimately didn’t find a new home – certainly, clubs would’ve been a bit sceptical about him. Being able to sign him as a free agent, rather than trade for him, is a much more appealing prospect, and his solid form this season sells him well. It’s being said that the contract offers Rockliff is getting from the Lions are well below what he could expect to earn elsewhere.

Rockliff has publicly said that a decision will be made based on what’s best for his family, so a significant financial difference is every chance of swaying him. What it all seems to be pointing to is that he won’t be at Brisbane in 2018 – the club would probably rather have the free agency compensation pick (likely pick 19 or 20), and he’s smart enough to know which way the wind is blowing.

Will he land at Port Adelaide, or will another suitor emerge? Only time will tell. Rockliff isn’t the only free agent Port Adelaide have been linked with recently though. They’re also said to be interested in the services of Steven Motlop, who looks likely to leave Geelong. Similarly to Rockliff, Motlop was thrown up in trade talks last year but couldn’t find a home. He’s much more appealing as a free agent than as someone you’d have to trade something for – and was reportedly on a large contract.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Great points, with the academy though, IMO if at any point in the future we start getting the majority of our players from there (particularly if they are possible future elite players ie. Harris and Eric) the Melbourne clubs will kick up such a stink that the academies will be taken over by the AFL or the discounts will be massively reduced or wiped altogether.

Even if discounts are wiped having the majority of our top players from QLD would be huge.

 

[bungalow_bill]

My eldest grandson goes to Brisbane State High and the AFL program is a bit of a joke, it's all union, union, union then cricket, cricket, cricket. Would take decades to change that mindset if ever.

How does it compare to league and union in Vic schools? Cricket is a nation wide code so AFL would also be competing with it in Vic

 

[M Malice]

How does it compare to league and union in Vic schools? Cricket is a nation wide code so AFL would also be competing with it in Vic

No idea, I would have to leave that to someone in the know from south of the border. As a partly educated guess I would say Australian Rules is huge in Victorian private schools going by reports on the BF draft board.

 

[bungalow_bill]

No idea, I would have to leave that to someone in the know from south of the border. As a partly educated guess I would say Australian Rules is huge in Victorian private schools going by reports on the BF draft board.

Ok was just curious how popular league and union are in Vic - compared to AFL in QLD

 

[trikster]

Ok was just curious how popular league and union are in Vic - compared to AFL in QLD

League is non-existent, union played at only certain private schools private schools

 

[Dylan12]

As a partly educated guess I would say Australian Rules is huge in Victorian private schools going by reports on the BF draft board.

Absolutely, to the point that all prominent private schools have a "football program" in place headed by people that have played, coached or worked at an AFL level i.e. Robert Shaw at Brighton Grammar, Matthew Lloyd at Haileybury (first 22 coach). In recent years, there has been a resurgence in recruiters spending more time watching private school football in part due to a lot of the players missing out on large chunks of TAC Cup footy due to private school football being played on Saturday's and in front of big crowds.

 

[bungalow_bill]

League is non-existent, union played at only certain private schools private schools

Interesting- so the Storm have had almost no impact in regards to Vic kids taking up league instead of AFL

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Absolutely, to the point that all prominent private schools have a "football program" in place headed by people that have played, coached or worked at an AFL level i.e. Robert Shaw at Brighton Grammar, Matthew Lloyd at Haileybury (first 22 coach). In recent years, there has been a resurgence in recruiters spending more time watching private school football in part due to a lot of the players missing out on large chunks of TAC Cup footy due to private school football being played on Saturday's and in front of big crowds.

Barry Rowlands (former Hawks Premiership player from their golden era) has been head of football (not coach) at Caulfield Grammar for many years. Many of the private school kids are on sports or general scholarships as well which gives the school first dibs on their footy.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

League is non-existent, union played at only certain private schools private schools

Went to my first senior game of Union the other week - Rebels v Jaguares. The mate who took me played Union at School (Xavier). Very petite crowd. I sensed they were mainly expats, e.g. Sth African, Brits, people from the northern states. Don't think there would have been a lot of converts.

 

[Billy Puller]

I don't get the league is non-existent part in private schools. All our top union guys signed with rugby league clubs. There's quite a few at NRL clubs now actually. They had all the union boys on contracts real early.

Unions lost so much talent to league which is why Aussie union is so trash right now

 

[fanackapan]

Unions lost so much talent to league which is why Aussie union is so trash right now

Well, that and the fact that its not played much in public schools, which comprise about 65% of the student populations in NSW and Qld.

 

[briztoon]

I don't get the league is non-existent part in private schools. All our top union guys signed with rugby league clubs. There's quite a few at NRL clubs now actually. They had all the union boys on contracts real early.

Unions lost so much talent to league which is why Aussie union is so trash right now

Which football code has first call on the league kids on scholarship at QLD private schools?

When people talk about league being non-existent in QLD private schools, what they mean is, it's not played by private schools.

In Vic, kids at private schools have to play AFL for their school first, and can only play TAC cup when their school has a weekend off or the private school season is finished.

Up here, kids play Union for their school, then some play League at club level, while others play Union at club level when their school footy is done. If you're a kid in the public school system and you're any good at football, you more likely to get funnelled to one of public schools with a League high performance program (that was the way it was when I was at school, different public schools had different elite programs, Kelvin Grove for league, MacGreggor for volleyball and dance, Sunnybank for athletics, etc).

 

[trikster]

Interesting- so the Storm have had almost no impact in regards to Vic kids taking up league instead of AFL

Not really. But whatever league there is in Vic at juniors is all at club level, which I think has significantly lifted over the last 10 or so years.

 

[winged1]

Which football code has first call on the league kids on scholarship at QLD private schools?

When people talk about league being non-existent in QLD private schools, what they mean is, it's not played by private schools.

In Vic, kids at private schools have to play AFL for their school first, and can only play TAC cup when their school has a weekend off or the private school season is finished.

Up here, kids play Union for their school, then some play League at club level, while others play Union at club level when their school footy is done. If you're a kid in the public school system and you're any good at football, you more likely to get funnelled to one of public schools with a League high performance program (that was the way it was when I was at school, different public schools had different elite programs, Kelvin Grove for league, MacGreggor for volleyball and dance, Sunnybank for athletics, etc).

Broncos put my mates brother on a "right of first refusal" at 12. It's pretty early.

How did you go with the dance scholarship at MacGregor?

 

[briztoon]

Broncos put my mates brother on a "right of first refusal" at 12. It's pretty early.

How did you go with the dance scholarship at MacGregor?

lol. It was my girlfriend doing dance, I was at a private school avoiding playing rugby union.

 

[briztoon]

Broncos put my mates brother on a "right of first refusal" at 12. It's pretty early.

How did you go with the dance scholarship at MacGregor?

Oh, what did your mates brother's parents get paid for that?

 

[winged1]

lol. It was my girlfriend doing dance, I was at a private school avoiding playing rugby union.

It's ok to say "too edgy for classical".