2017 Trade and FA thread

[JasperBeardly]

Pretty much.

I get that they rate their players and want to be well compensated but it's really not too hard to put the shoe on the other foot and realise what would actually be willing to give up and what we wouldn't.

We aren't going to ship off one of our best two first year draftees from last year for Connor McKenna. Even under the best possible assessment of McKenna's future, it's a break even outcome for us at best. We simply wouldn't do it.

As for our first pick, that's also clearly overs. Their first would need to come back the other way.

If this is true, we'd be using the PSD as leverage to push the actual trade more in our favour.

Particularly when posters on their own board are talking about how he doesn't see AFL as a long term gig, looking to cash in etc. We'd hardly be selling the farm for a kid who might leave after one contract on decent coin.

 

[Dylan12]

Am I the only one who doesn't rate McKenna and would rather continue taking our picks to the draft?

I'm with you 100%, see no value for him whatsoever.

 

[scott_the_man]

Yeah I was there and gardner did play probably the best game I've seen him play, but one game does not do it for me. He's gotta play like that every week. The things he did last week he's gotta do every week. If you were at the game you would have seen McStay get lost, zoning off his man 15-20m then getting burnt. If you watch the game on TV you see all the good stuff, like the mark, couple of spoils and some nice kicks to targets. But it was not like that at ground level. I'm just saying McStay might be better as a 3rd tall where he could Use a height advantage and use his athletic ability more on a less significant player.

You can't expect a 21 year old tall defender to dominate a game like that every week. That's ludicrous. He would be being talked as the best defender in the comp if he had that sort of consistency. I'm not sure what more you expect of Gardiner given how young he is and the amount of inside 50s we concede. He's tracking very nicely in my book. By your standards he should be at Alex rance level by the sound of it

 

[Lions Lions]

You can't expect a 21 year old tall defender to dominate a game like that every week. That's ludicrous. He would be being talked as the best defender in the comp if he had that sort of consistency. I'm not sure what more you expect of Gardiner given how young he is and the amount of inside 50s we concede. He's tracking very nicely in my book. By your standards he should be at Alex rance level by the sound of it

Is he a mate of yours? He's so far been an average defender whose turnovers and decision making has been his major dramas. But his game last week was great, let's see if he can do it again. That's what I'm saying. He is in his 4th year, time is now for him to step up.

 

[Harris Specter]

Am I the only one who doesn't rate McKenna and would rather continue taking our picks to the draft?

Highly unlikely we've tabled that big an offer for a B grade Irishman halfback. Not interested. Especially not for what we'll have to give up. Prefer going down the draft.

 

[Kevvo]

Is he a mate of yours? He's so far been an average defender whose turnovers and decision making has been his major dramas. But his game last week was great, let's see if he can do it again. That's what I'm saying. He is in his 4th year, time is now for him to step up.

Gardiner has played only 4 NEAFL games in his time here compared to 61 senior games.

What is it you see that none of our coaches do?

 

[Forward We Go]

You can't expect a 21 year old tall defender to dominate a game like that every week. That's ludicrous. He would be being talked as the best defender in the comp if he had that sort of consistency. I'm not sure what more you expect of Gardiner given how young he is and the amount of inside 50s we concede. He's tracking very nicely in my book. By your standards he should be at Alex rance level by the sound of it

I like Gardiner. His efforts are unquestionable and he has shown marked improvement throughout the year, not just recently. Dizz, Harris, McStay & another key back maybe would be good. I can see even more improvement from all of these in 2018. Its going to be exciting.

 

[scott_the_man]

Is he a mate of yours? He's so far been an average defender whose turnovers and decision making has been his major dramas. But his game last week was great, let's see if he can do it again. That's what I'm saying. He is in his 4th year, time is now for him to step up.

Of course he is going to make a few poor decisions with the footy, he's still a kid and playing on the last line of defence. He's still learning a new game plane just like the rest of his team mates who turn the footy over occasionaly. He will get better at that with experience. His defensive game is brilliant for a kid. Cut the guy some slack

 

[wantok]

We need footballers not project players. Mckenna has some dash but i would not be trading anything but a 3rd or 4th round pick. We should look at Harrison Wigg from Adelaide. He's a footballer with excellent skills and intent.. All Australian u18 who hasn't been able to break into Adelaide midfield.

 

[jackess]

McKenna is quality. Would be our quickest backman. Probably more evasive than Cox as well.

 

[Fatcat08]

Personally I think we're very thin as far as plug and play tall KPD's go. I mean if Andrews were to go down what does our tall backs look like? MCStay, Gardiner and Walker? Frost? Hammelman? That sort of combo doesn't really inspire me with a whole lot of confidence if we had to have it for a whole year. Personally i'd still be looking at someone like Mackenzie as another option as a free agent. If we could get someone a bit younger than great but as a free hit draft picks wise its not a bad option for 2 or so years to fortify that position and add some depth while we're nutting out who really are our long term younger options back there. He also doesn't affect us re-signing these young guys in two years when they're all off contract either.

 

[jackess]

Personally I think we're very thin as far as plug and play tall KPD's go. I mean if Andrews were to go down what does our tall backs look like? MCStay, Gardiner and Walker? Frost? Hammelman? That sort of combo doesn't really inspire me with a whole lot of confidence if we had to have it for a whole year. Personally i'd still be looking at someone like Mackenzie as another option as a free agent. If we could get someone a bit younger than great but as a free hit draft picks wise its not a bad option for 2 or so years to fortify that position and add some depth while we're nutting out who really are our long term younger options back there. He also doesn't affect us re-signing these young guys in two years when they're all off contract either.

IIRC MacKenzie has been in the 2s because he's struggled to adjust to their zone defence which is a tactic we've been using as well so I'm not sure he's the best suited.

I'm pretty happy with our KPD stocks. If we were pushing for finals I'd be worried but we've still got a bit of developing to do.

 

[scott_the_man]

Personally I think we're very thin as far as plug and play tall KPD's go. I mean if Andrews were to go down what does our tall backs look like? MCStay, Gardiner and Walker? Frost? Hammelman? That sort of combo doesn't really inspire me with a whole lot of confidence if we had to have it for a whole year. Personally i'd still be looking at someone like Mackenzie as another option as a free agent. If we could get someone a bit younger than great but as a free hit draft picks wise its not a bad option for 2 or so years to fortify that position and add some depth while we're nutting out who really are our long term younger options back there. He also doesn't affect us re-signing these young guys in two years when they're all off contract either.

Ballenden looks very capable in defence as well. I think we've got enough depth there unless we have a horror run with injuries to our defenders

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

Pretty much.

I get that they rate their players and want to be well compensated but it's really not too hard to put the shoe on the other foot and realise what would actually be willing to give up and what we wouldn't.

We aren't going to ship off one of our best two first year draftees from last year for Connor McKenna. Even under the best possible assessment of McKenna's future, it's a break even outcome for us at best. We simply wouldn't do it.

As for our first pick, that's also clearly overs. Their first would need to come back the other way.

Can't see our first pick being in play for anything other than an established A grader (which he isn't) and there aren't many of them lining up. Our second or third pick with something back the other way (e.g their second) might be more like it.

 

[Fatcat08]

Ballenden looks very capable in defence as well. I think we've got enough depth there unless we have a horror run with injuries to our defenders

For next season and the one after I'm not really looking at putting a first year KPD on the depth chart with much more than a faintly drawn HB pencil to be honest. From a list management projection sure, but not when I'm planning our depth for next year. Sure you can never accommodate every scenario but if we lost Andrews and McStay for any length of time then we're in real trouble.

 

[WA Lion]

IT STARTS ALREADY!!!

I imagine trade period and the lead up would be a mods worst nightmare!

 

[WA Lion]

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For next season and the one after I'm not really looking at putting a first year KPD on the depth chart with much more than a faintly drawn HB pencil to be honest. From a list management projection sure, but not when I'm planning our depth for next year. Sure you can never accommodate every scenario but if we lost Andrews and McStay for any length of time then we're in real trouble.

In fairness if you took the first 2 kpd from any team they would probably struggle

 

[bato]

Highly unlikely we've tabled that big an offer for a B grade Irishman halfback. Not interested. Especially not for what we'll have to give up. Prefer going down the draft.

Well, given the club has supposedly offered double (according to what the OP said on the Essendon board) I think his potential would have to be viewed as higher than B grade?

 

[Kevvo]

For next season and the one after I'm not really looking at putting a first year KPD on the depth chart with much more than a faintly drawn HB pencil to be honest. From a list management projection sure, but not when I'm planning our depth for next year. Sure you can never accommodate every scenario but if we lost Andrews and McStay for any length of time then we're in real trouble.

I wish I had known before I bought us these stamps.

 

[dlanod]

I imagine trade period and the lead up would be a mods worst nightmare!

The Dayne Beams trade is why I cry myself to sleep at night.

 

[Lacesout]

Can't say I have watched much of him, is McKenna actually any good?

If this talk has any substance to it I can see why we would look at him. This is only his second season (I think) and he looks like he is really picking up the game. He has stood out a couple of times when I have watched him play when he has seemed really evasive. I have thought how quick this kid is but then how he is surprisingly good at disposing at full revs. I remember thinking how p...sed I was that the Bombers seemed to have found more talent during their supposed punishment days. Credit to their list boys. They have found some crackers lately. Not sure where he would be best suited but he would inject some serious zip. I agree he is still a project player and not worth a first rounder by any means, but he's already proven he can play and his upside looks significant. In my opinion he would offer some similar traits to Cameron but with greater ceiling albeit also with greater risk.

 

[bato]

"Spoke with one of Ciaren Byrne's best mates the other night who confirmed that Brisbane have thrown a bit of cash at him. Ciaren apparently very happy though and isn't really considering leaving."

Same guy posted that earlier in the year. We must love our Irish players.

 

[Cockliff38]

"Spoke with one of Ciaren Byrne's best mates the other night who confirmed that Brisbane have thrown a bit of cash at him. Ciaren apparently very happy though and isn't really considering leaving."

Same guy posted that earlier in the year. We must love our Irish players.

Not to mention the two Irish blokes that were/are with the club trialing... David O'Noble getting busy

 

[M Malice]

This is a thread on the main board, David Clifford 18 year old gun gaelic footballer on the radar, some bloody good highlight packages.

https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/irish-sensation.1174882/

 

[Lions Lions]

Gardiner has played only 4 NEAFL games in his time here compared to 61 senior games.

What is it you see that none of our coaches do?

He's played 61 games because he's our best 3rd tall option. Who else are we going to play? Paparone? Hammelman? 3rd tall is a problem for us, I think Darcy has been lucky to play 61 games, but if his last couple of games improve he'll make it, jury is out for me.