2017 trade/draft thread

[Nev57]

Justin Langer is now a board member so things could change , Brady Rawlings list Manager , Julie Bishop is still on the board I think we have some tough characters ready to rocknroll .

I think im the only one pleased with the way we are travelling ...we over achieved this season comparative to how we were travelling midseason , so that is pleasing to finish off well and hopefully lead into next season .

Does anyone know the list of people and their title


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[ziad]

Justin Langer is now a board member so things could change , Brady Rawlings list Manager , Julie Bishop is still on the board I think we have some tough characters ready to rocknroll .

I think im the only one pleased with the way we are travelling ...we over achieved this season comparative to how we were travelling midseason , so that is pleasing to finish off well and hopefully lead into next season .

I don't think you are the only one. We can improve but the inflammatory language by some is over the top.

A random example: 'we are floundering in strength and conditioning'. Yet port whose S&C head is being poached back to the EPL went down to us in extra time with a young athletic list.

 

[15yearmember]

In naming Nisbett's failings, I will keep it at a shorter 7 and it is not a snipe from the side, it is with deep regret I am exposing it:-

1. He is not a leader - more a dictator that has created a yes mentality throughout the club where other and new ideas are desired. That has seen a club distant from Melbourne and unable to be foster creative thinking.
2. He has not owned up to the cultural problem from the drugs era and has not come clean about how much he knew (like why did he sent Gepp over as chaperone for end of year trip) and great leaders usually own up and explain what they are doing differently
3. His main focus and priority has been the commercial side of the club (which to his credit is a good one) but he is so blinded by that he is prioritising commercial success against winning flags.
4. His inability to develop a successor - apart from his sneaky appointment of his son under Vozzo that does not pass the sniff test. Rosich left for Freo because he knew Nisbett was bolted to the chair
5. A higher level of management and leadership requires a leader to deliver results through others. He is falling at this stage. Ask yourself why it was Cransburg that stated 3 years ago that the recruiting team was on notice? Surely that is the CEO and surely the last 3 years has not vindicated O'Brien and his team's recruiting performance.
6. He has created a culture of a boys club and there are too many from the past sitting in the club because they know Trev, not based on performance.
7. A good leader knows when it is time to go. He is like our list management in that he is employed past his used by date.

Amen.

I’d add, and I wish I could find it, but way back when the drugs saga began being examined by the AFL, Nisbett was favourite for a big job at AFL House and he did an interview in which he explained that his job was “a young mans job”. Rosich was the obvious successor. Then the AFL came down hard on the Eagles and Nisbett was never moving to AFL House. The club could and should have removed him based on the AFL investigation. He dug in. He called in his “credits in the bank” and he increasingly surrounded himself with those loyal to him.

Including Stocks and Gepp.

The club is essentially a Nisbett fiefdom. With a weak board and no one underneath to challenge him. Financials are good, his pet project at Lathlain looks great and the team is 5000 shades of shit. But that’s ok because that’s not his responsibility.

He’d be so happy about the late season wins that he’d be in danger of extending Simmo. Because the late season wins remove the heat on the team. Enough of th numpties are assuaged.

Nisbett has allowed us to become a team in his image. Professional and mediocre.

 

[15yearmember]

Justin Langer is now a board member so things could change , Brady Rawlings list Manager , Julie Bishop is still on the board I think we have some tough characters ready to rocknroll .

I think im the only one pleased with the way we are travelling ...we over achieved this season comparative to how we were travelling midseason , so that is pleasing to finish off well and hopefully lead into next season .

Good god, I’m ready to drown myself in your misplaced optimism. You should send this post to Nisbett. He’d hire you instantly.

 

[ziad]

Does anyone know the list of people and their title


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https://wcms.westcoasteagles.com.au/sites/WestCoastEagles/the-club/board

I suggest the board runs the business not the footy department

 

[dajesmac]

I’ve suggested this before and I suggest it again now, when people comment on the inner workings of our multi million turnover professional business they should post their credentials.

I’m tired of optimism from public servants and drones working in sales at some phone company

The same should be required of those who bag out the club relentlessly, particularly the specific criticisms of Simpson, Nisbett etc.

I am not specifically aiming that criticism at you, I just get sick of the many stupid, baseless criticisms made by people who have no idea as to the validity of their own comments, in the same way you get sick of the baseless positive comments. Obviously results speak for themselves, but too many people on here talk about the inner workings of the club as if they are doing something more than rehashing someone else's opinion or having a wild guess.

/minirant

 

[ziad]

I’ve suggested this before and I suggest it again now, when people comment on the inner workings of our multi million turnover professional business they should post their credentials.

I’m tired of optimism from public servants and drones working in sales at some phone company

condescending little gem arn't you
I think my credentials would stack up - but they don't go is sites like this

 

[15yearmember]

https://wcms.westcoasteagles.com.au/sites/WestCoastEagles/the-club/board

I suggest the board runs the business not the footy department

https://wcms.westcoasteagles.com.au/sites/WestCoastEagles/the-club/board

I suggest the board runs the business not the footy department

The board has oversight for the company. Which ultimately includes all aspects of operations.

See the reference to Cransberg earlier and his criticism of the drafting team.

Nisbett as CEO is in the Board and is direct report to the Board on football and financials.

You’d hope as a member commenting on the matter you’d understand how the Board and CEO work.

 

[Chris_6678]

https://wcms.westcoasteagles.com.au/sites/WestCoastEagles/the-club/board

I suggest the board runs the business not the footy department

Some handy ins there for their image:

Maryna Fewster: Director of Operations Seven West Media WA
Chris Wharton: Chief Executive Officer Seven West Media WA

lol incase any of field dramas need to be covered up.

 

[15yearmember]

condescending little gem arn't you
I think my credentials would stack up - but they don't go is sites like this

Im happy to send my credentials to Fivey. You send yours. He can arbitrate.

But you apparently don’t understand how a Board works for a company of which you are a member. So that brings into question your credentials. Although your arrogance points to you being an engineer

 

[15yearmember]

Some handy ins there for their image:

Maryna Fewster: Director of Operations Seven West Media WA
Chris Wharton: Chief Executive Officer Seven West Media WA

lol incase any of field dramas need to be covered up.

But with long term ties to Nisbett.

 

[pantskyle]

Yesterday we were getting Cripps, today we are getting Hogan, who are we getting tomorrow, Batman?

Mountford.

Bit of a let down once we knew Batman was available.

 

[15yearmember]

The same should be required of those who bag out the club relentlessly, particularly the specific criticisms of Simpson, Nisbett etc.

I am not specifically aiming that criticism at you, I just get sick of the many stupid, baseless criticisms made by people who have no idea as to the validity of their own comments, in the same way you get sick of the baseless positive comments. Obviously results speak for themselves, but too many people on here talk about the inner workings of the club as if they are doing something more than rehashing someone else's opinion or having a wild guess.

/minirant

Indeed. Although the ones that do have a clue couldn’t identify it in here because Nisbett would go after them. That’s your 2017 West Coast Eagles.

Just see the condescension from Stocks addressed to folks who dared criticise the Priddis extension on social media.

The club isn’t open to criticism; it doesn’t take counsel from outside and it is both very isolated and run by guys who have been their, literally, since the late 80’s. Experience is fine but I’d suggest that anyone who looked at organisations for a living would have some concerns about our club looking from outside.

Talk to a few inside and they are broadly held concerns.

Perhaps the club could create an open forum with the members to have a genuine discussion of these issues. Won’t happen.

 

[15yearmember]

Mountford.

Bit of a let down once we knew Batman was available.

Surely Robin could be pried loose if he knows Batman is thinking about leaving? (see Irving, Kyrie)

 

[Turboman1994]

Relatively happy with the coaching staff we could use some more specialist coaches and give simmo more control imo. Match committee and recruitment needs to be turfed asap and board should keep there fingers out of the footy related side of thjngs. If I was in charge Gepp, Kerr, Nisbitt senior and jr and vozzo would be the first out the door

 

[Obeanie1]

It seems that there are quite a few players we are interested in that will require a late 2nd round early 3rd round pick to land.

Mountford
Tim Kelly
Liam Ryan
Banfield
Patmore
England

We should be looking at the Lions pick 41 or Gold Coasts pick 37. Both clubs will be active in trading both ways and already have quite a few earlier picks. Gold Coast 2, 19, 22, 24, 34 and 37. Lions have picks 1, 12, 18 and 41. Likely to get another first for Rockliff.

Eagles currently have 13, 30, 48 and 67.

Schofield might get us a 3rd rounder and hopefully Masten can get us at least a pick upgrade. Masten + Eagles 2018 2nd rounder for Gold Coasts 22 or 24. Masten doesn't net us anything but we bring forward a 2018 2nd to 2017.

 

[Obeanie1]

Just reading through that thread a bit more sounds like that poster that suggested Mountford -> WCE is a bit of a troll. Probably nothing to see here.

Strange he hasn't re-signed then.

Sounds like Norths rate him, he has progressed reasonably well given his age, and he has good qualities as a footballer and its not like they are under cap pressure.

Either he's thinking about a move or could be steak knives in a trade.

 

[AsterixTheGaul]

So back to trading.

There is room on the list to take 5 at the main draft with Hill, Lamb and Wellers still in doubt. Also in doubt are rookies McInnes, Snadden and Tunbridge.

Thinking is that Hill will be cut, Lamb has been offered a 1 year but will explore trade options and Wellers has to stay put until the trade period is over.

St Kilda are looking for a big fish in the trade period. Will they come a knocking for Gaff? Would Acres be part of the deal? Wait and see I suspect.

Will we get more success in the trade period with Masten? Rocket Eade mentioned that he was a possibility and I am not sure whether there were no takers or he was not wanting to move believing he would get game time. A 3rd round pick or an upgrade on an earlier pick would be ideal.

Not sure what the view on the rookies are - I suggest Tunners time is up and his body has let him down, not sure how long McInnes can stay a rookie but they may keel him based on losing Drew and Giles. Snadden is improving and no drama about another year but should not be elevated.

It is going to be a long fortnight ahead of us.

 

[Schtinker]

RFA -Tom Rockliff
Pick 13 - Nick Coffield
Pick 30 - Charlie Spargo
Pick 48 - Zach Sproule GWS
Pick 66 - Aaron Redhead
Upgrade - Frank Watson

 

[dajesmac]

Strange he hasn't re-signed then.

Sounds like Norths rate him, he has progressed reasonably well given his age, and he has good qualities as a footballer and its not like they are under cap pressure.

Either he's thinking about a move or could be steak knives in a trade.

A fair point.

 

[Forward Press]

Not sure why some are going for Rockliff. Leaving aside that he has no desire to play in WA that I know of, he isn't silky by foot or speedy by leg.

He solves none of our midfield deficiencies and what we would have to pay him would be too much for an accumulator with possible issues with teammates.

 

[pantskyle]

Strange he hasn't re-signed then.

Sounds like Norths rate him, he has progressed reasonably well given his age, and he has good qualities as a footballer and its not like they are under cap pressure.

Either he's thinking about a move or could be steak knives in a trade.

North put a few deals on the back burner when they were throwing all the money at Martin and Kelly.

 

[pantskyle]

Not sure why some are going for Rockliff. Leaving aside that he has no desire to play in WA that I know of, he isn't silky by foot or speedy by leg.

He solves none of our midfield deficiencies and what we would have to pay him would be too much for an accumulator with possible issues with teammates.

As a RFA which would only cost us salary he'd be an excellent Priddis replacement.

 

[15yearmember]

Relatively happy with the coaching staff we could use some more specialist coaches and give simmo more control imo. Match committee and recruitment needs to be turfed asap and board should keep there fingers out of the footy related side of thjngs. If I was in charge Gepp, Kerr, Nisbitt senior and jr and vozzo would be the first out the door

Agree in general but Nisbett is CEO and he’s on the Board.

I mean you don’t want the Board picking the team but you’d want them to be concerned about the team overall performance surely?

I’m concerned we might morph into some of the American sports teams who aren’t as focused as they could be about winning but simply more concerned with the money side. Knowing they make money even if they lose.

 

[Feeling Groovy]

As a RFA which would only cost us salary he'd be an excellent Priddis replacement.

I agree. I think it means our midfield actually improves (rather than possibly going backwards for a while with retirements) and it buys us some time to still be a chance whilst we are trying to develop a midfield and still have the likes of NN and JK. I don't buy into the personality issues too much. I don't think he worked as captain but he is the best available midfielder and doesn't cost us any picks. Also, he is good mates with Redden so there is a link here. All that said, I doubt he will choose Perth over a Melbourne club or staying put.