List Mgmt. 2018 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[coniglio_number1]

We have no real pressing NEEDS at this stage but a cheap insurance ruck as a DFA or rookie wouldn’t go astray. I can’t see Lobb as a number 1 ruck unfortunately and Flynn isn’t ready

 

[Danny88]

I genuinely don’t think we have any needs for this trade period. I think we take best available with our picks and Briggs

There are quality reserves across app positions

 

[PMBangers]

A ruck like Preuss wouldn't hurt, can't see him costing too much and would probably be our number 1 ruck but he'd only really be a stop gap for Flynn, who isn't far off being able to take that spot

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

A ruck like Preuss wouldn't hurt, can't see him costing too much and would probably be our number 1 ruck but he'd only really be a stop gap for Flynn, who isn't far off being able to take that spot

The notion that Preuss would be gettable cheap just isn't goung to happen. I really rate him but he's contracted and North know what they have.
If, and I say if, he's gettable we'd have to take some pain.

 

[Teeso]

A ruck like Preuss wouldn't hurt, can't see him costing too much and would probably be our number 1 ruck but he'd only really be a stop gap for Flynn, who isn't far off being able to take that spot

Considering Preuss is still under contract till end of 2020, what would you hypothetically think is fair/realistic if we were to initiate a trade with North? I personally cant see Lobb being a number 1 ruck either, and Simpson is serviceable leaving only Flynn with much scope for development. So it isnt entirely out of the realm of possibility to maybe rookie Simpson, target Preuss and also pick up Briggs, leaving us with 4-5 ruck options (a bit like West Coast - Vardy, Naitanui, McInnes, Lycett, Olango; and Geelong - Stanley, Smith, Ratugolea, Abbott, +/- Buzza and Blicavs).

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Considering Preuss is still under contract till end of 2020, what would you hypothetically think is fair/realistic if we were to initiate a trade with North? I personally cant see Lobb being a number 1 ruck either, and Simpson is serviceable leaving only Flynn with much scope for development. So it isnt entirely out of the realm of possibility to maybe rookie Simpson, target Preuss and also pick up Briggs, leaving us with 4-5 ruck options (a bit like West Coast - Vardy, Naitanui, McInnes, Lycett, Olango; and Geelong - Stanley, Smith, Ratugolea, Abbott, +/- Buzza and Blicavs).

They'd want Kelly and throw in picks I think. That wouldn't work but still a gun mid likely.

 

[dlanod]

According to posters on the NM board Preuss is looking for a trade out, which would change the dynamic significantly.

 

[Teeso]

They'd want Kelly and throw in picks I think. That wouldn't work but still a gun mid likely.

I can see North would be salivating at the thought, but no way I can see the club breaking the contract of any elite mids a year early for an 8 game ruckman regardless of how much raw potential Preuss has. Maybe next year if Kelly/Shiel are adamant on going home (hopefully not), we might consider Preuss + early picks for Shiel/Kelly. Im sure in some way or another, clubs will find a way to rip us off.

Out of our OOC midfield group of next year I think our priority must be in the order of Kelly > Coniglio > Shiel > Hopper/Tomlinson.

According to posters on the NM board Preuss is looking for a trade out, which would change the dynamic significantly.

Hopefully the possibility of playing regular senior games albeit up in Sydney can entice him. Interestingly he was originally from Queensland so wouldn't have the strong Victorian ties. North could easily just hold him to his contract though since Goldstein is aging and he would be the next option up. If we can do what gold coast did for Witts and do a ball park trade of a 3rd + 4th rd pick for preuss that would be amazing - obviously unlikely though.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

I can see North would be salivating at the thought, but no way I can see the club breaking the contract of any elite mids a year early for an 8 game ruckman regardless of how much raw potential Preuss has. Maybe next year if Kelly/Shiel are adamant on going home (hopefully not), we might consider Preuss + early picks for Shiel/Kelly. Im sure in some way or another, clubs will find a way to rip us off.

Out of our OOC midfield group of next year I think our priority must be in the order of Kelly > Coniglio > Shiel > Hopper/Tomlinson.


Hopefully the possibility of playing regular senior games albeit up in Sydney can entice him. Interestingly he was originally from Queensland so wouldn't have the strong Victorian ties. North could easily just hold him to his contract though since Goldstein is aging and he would be the next option up. If we can do what gold coast did for Witts and do a ball park trade of a 3rd + 4th rd pick for preuss that would be amazing - obviously unlikely though.

I said that wont work, and I agree.
They have no motivation to trade him though, I think they're bringing him along slowly to a plan. At 23 he's not that young, but he entered the system late.
To get him, it would have to be on their terms.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

State combine invites have been announced with the following NSW/ACT guys getting an invite

Riley Bice (Murray Bushrangers/GWS Academy)

Jeromy Lucas (GWS Giants Academy)

Nick Murray (Murray Bushrangers/GWS Academy)

James Peatling (GWS Giants Academy)

Guy Richardson (GWS Giants Academy)

Mathew Walker (Murray Bushrangers/GWS Academy)
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/af...s/news-story/e0e83fdfc2ae82a33aa4ab26b292679b

 

[Danny88]

A ruck like Preuss wouldn't hurt, can't see him costing too much and would probably be our number 1 ruck but he'd only really be a stop gap for Flynn, who isn't far off being able to take that spot

He would cost he world mate

 

[PMBangers]

He would cost he world mate

He's played 8 career games, 0 this year. No one can think he should cost the world, if he was as highly valued as NM fans seem to think he is he'd be playing

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

He's played 8 career games, 0 this year. No one can think he should cost the world, if he was as highly valued as NM fans seem to think he is he'd be playing

They have a very good ruck reaching the end if his career. They are a very patient club, as they showed with Ahern. Rucks usually take time and Preuss is leading the ruck stats in the VFL.
I do rate Preuss, and I have since I saw play in Hobart last year. He'd be great on our list.

I'd actually consider our first round pick, my hesitation on that is what good things Adrian Caruso could do with it in the draft. North may not take it anyway.

 

[Pres]

They have a very good ruck reaching the end if his career. They are a very patient club, as they showed with Ahern. Rucks usually take time and Preuss is leading the ruck stats in the VFL.
I do rate Preuss, and I have since I saw play in Hobart last year. He'd be great on our list.

I'd actually consider our first round pick, my hesitation on that is what good things Adrian Caruso could do with it in the draft. North may not take it anyway.

Very true. This is how I see it.

People forget in the old days guys would spend 3 years in the Reserves before coming into the main team as ready made players.

We have to have a replacement for Goldy should be go down and other than Xerri who is really raw and developing (as a comparison he's be at least 12-18 months behind Flynn). Particularly with Majak now having reinvented himself as an almost critical backline member.

 

[fridgeman]

I do agree that the club needs a string ruck on the list but to trade for one would take too much in terms of either trading out a player or too much SC
Also I feel that Lobb has not had a good run at lead ruck this year due to injuries and that he still has room to develop that skill and also i think it needs to factor in what effect any potential rule changes could have on what type of rucks are needed on the teams list
I can see Simpson Lobb and Flynn on the list next year and I would be a strong advocate for picking us Briggs in the draft as it takes several years for rucks to mature
Next year is Flynn’s fourth year on the list so I can see him having a debut at least and then depending on other opportunities but he is still 2-4 years of being ready for a full season of AFL I think and with Lobb turning 26 at the start of next season he still has development in him

 

[fridgeman]

What do you guys see the list needs are for this trade/draft period? I think we need to develop some more good mids, a key forward, a key defender and a ruck.

Apart from Sproule, the only other developing KPF we have is jack buckley. Tiziani is more a medium sized forward and if we draft peatling and/or walker this year, they will be vying for similar spots. Also to note delahunty will be coming through next year and looks promising but also 191cm - hoping he can grow 5cm and add to his frame to be another promising KPF for the future. I was thinking we could consider hugo munn from SA, looks to have the mongrel and agility to play a quicker Patton type role, standing at 198cm and 94kg. Both qualities we need since I feel Patton lacks the aggression and speed to become an A grade player. Munn also has a great contested mark and has a good leap on him with the occasional specky. Another we could consider as a project rookie or late draft is nathan kreuger (196cm, 86kg) who was passed up on the draft last year but he would need some work building his body since he is agile but would get crunched in AFL.

I think for ruck stocks, flynn the only developing genuine ruckman, we should either be looking/planning to trade for a preuss/darcy (unfortunately both contracted) or perhaps more likely matching a bid for briggs in the draft.

In terms of a key defender, would be looking mainly at Collins as a potential cheapy to fill the void in defence if Mohr retires. Otherwise we have strong depth in defence with Buntine (will likely get bumped out when Williams returns), Taylor, Cumming, Finlayson and Perryman.

Our current stock of young developing mids include shipley, bonar, setterfield and maybe cumming and perryman if you consider them mids - I see them more as defenders at AFL level. Thinking we lack a bit of outside class, quality ball users and endurance runners in this group (though shipley runs very well). My general vibe is that the best outside mids in the 2018 group will feature highly in the draft (Walsh, Rankine, Tarryn Thomas, Hill, etc.) and might be out of our reach if we dont have an active trade period. We could opt for some balanced mids who can still distribute very well like Rozee/RCD/Caldwell with our first and second picks but i reckon if anyone from the top slides we will go best available with our 1st pick.

Thoughts?

I can see best available mid with the first pick and then Briggs and 2-3 academy picks depending on list spots
I can see more movement next year with some retirements opening up spots and the possibility of some trades to allow a good pick for a tall forward

 

[Determinant]

I can see best available mid with the first pick and then Briggs and 2-3 academy picks depending on list spots
I can see more movement next year with some retirements opening up spots and the possibility of some trades to allow a good pick for a tall forward

If we draft Briggs it will be as a KPP, not really tall enough to be a prime ruck and Flynn has done everything right since he started.
Trading in another ruck option remains a strong possibility

 

[captainMyCaptain]

If we draft Briggs it will be as a KPP, not really tall enough to be a prime ruck and Flynn has done everything right since he started.
Trading in another ruck option remains a strong possibility

Reckon when Caruso put a question mark on Briggs height as a ruck it was more to do with putting a message out that were not as keen as some might think we are. After all Briggs is 200cm which is the same height as Flynn as well as the likes of Jacobs, Kreuzer, McEvoy and Sinclair.

 

[Determinant]

Reckon when Caruso put a question mark on Briggs height as a ruck it was more to do with putting a message out that were not as keen as some might think we are. After all Briggs is 200cm which is the same height as Flynn as well as the likes of Jacobs, Kreuzer, McEvoy and Sinclair.

Good point and don't disagree that may have been his intent, though I hadn't thought down that path myself
My thinking was more that we have Flynn there already so Briggs would be doing what Flynn's done for a few years now, goal square duty

 

[Danny88]

Reckon when Caruso put a question mark on Briggs height as a ruck it was more to do with putting a message out that were not as keen as some might think we are. After all Briggs is 200cm which is the same height as Flynn as well as the likes of Jacobs, Kreuzer, McEvoy and Sinclair.

A cunning ploy

 

[Andre the Giant]

If we draft Briggs it will be as a KPP, not really tall enough to be a prime ruck and Flynn has done everything right since he started.
Trading in another ruck option remains a strong possibility

Honestly Preuss makes so much sense, he is a really aggressive ruckman and just needs opportunity. Won’t cost an arm and a leg either!

 

[Determinant]

Honestly Preuss makes so much sense, he is a really aggressive ruckman and just needs opportunity. Won’t cost an arm and a leg either!

I agree he would be an ideal get, but I feel the price will be higher than thought.
Goldy has only so long to go and unlike Daw Pruess is a genuine ruck, he is their next big thing, if they don't think so I'd be happy to take advantage of their stupidity

 

[Danny88]

Honestly Preuss makes so much sense, he is a really aggressive ruckman and just needs opportunity. Won’t cost an arm and a leg either!

There is a lot of chatter on other boards around preuss as well. We would need to pay overs to break the contract

I’m not willing to sell the farm to get a kid with bigger all games under his belt. I could take it or leave it

 

[fridgeman]

Still of the belief that the club will take 3 picks in the national draft and then turnover 2-3 on the rookie list depending on what happens during the trade period and currently the club has picks
16
24
44
52
Not sure on names of players the club may be interested in but I would like to see an outside runner with the clubs first pick and Briggs picked up depending on where a bid comes in and then also from the academy Walker and Peatling and depending on spots available either a mature pick up or a dfa

 

[Andre the Giant]

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There is a lot of chatter on other boards around preuss as well. We would need to pay overs to break the contract

I’m not willing to sell the farm to get a kid with bigger all games under his belt. I could take it or leave it

I’m my experience, every now and then you have to take a calculated risk to gain a decisive outcome.

We can sit back and think our ruck stocks are adequate (which they are not) or we can acknowledge they aren’t and try to plug that hole.

Presently we have Lobb (not a first ruck) Patton (ACL), Simpson (solid but injury prone), and Flynn (completely unproven). This is absolutely unsatisfactory particularly given the importance of this position.

We have a gold plated mid field, and extremely solid forward line and excellent defence. The one area where we are below average is ruck. There is little point bringing in another developing ruck unless we have given up on Flynn as that won’t serve us in the now which is in our Premiership window.

I’m not saying get Grundy or Gawn as that is impossible but we do need to make a very aggressive push to get Preuss and have more to play with than most of our rivals.

I would make a massive play to get him over the line as he would really complement our list and is the perfect age profile. Could be the difference maker that gets us the flag!