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I’m actually really excited to see what Adrian does this draft. He has nailed the entire ND last year!
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List Mgmt. 2018 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy
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Couldn't of asked for better last year(so far)
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I remember being dirty that we took Daniels ahead of spargo and then didn’t match spargo and took Langdon.
How wrong was I???
He did an outstanding job, imagine if we had him from day dot!!!
All those throw away Silvagni picks....
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… imagine how Carlton would look today without ex-Giants gifts!
I wonder how much influence Emma Quayle has had on selections.
I’m my experience, every now and then you have to take a calculated risk to gain a decisive outcome.
We can sit back and think our ruck stocks are adequate (which they are not) or we can acknowledge they aren’t and try to plug that hole.
Presently we have Lobb (not a first ruck) Patton (ACL), Simpson (solid but injury prone), and Flynn (completely unproven). This is absolutely unsatisfactory particularly given the importance of this position.
We have a gold plated mid field, and extremely solid forward line and excellent defence. The one area where we are below average is ruck. There is little point bringing in another developing ruck unless we have given up on Flynn as that won’t serve us in the now which is in our Premiership window.
I’m not saying get Grundy or Gawn as that is impossible but we do need to make a very aggressive push to get Preuss and have more to play with than most of our rivals.
I would make a massive play to get him over the line as he would really complement our list and is the perfect age profile. Could be the difference maker that gets us the flag![/QUOTE]
What’s he played? Is it 8 games?
Ur trying to sell me the messiah here and I’m not yet a believer
Tom browne suggesting essendon is now heavily into shiel during this off-season as well. All our players apparently gettable by every victorian club regardless of personal statements or contracts.
Even though he is someone I have suggested we consider trading in the past if he wanted out, shiel himself has said he wont be going back to victoria unless the club booted him out. I still think he is a valuable part of the team and no way we would trade a loyal servant for the club who actually wants to stay.
I know victorian clubs are savage, but really they should be respectful of his wishes too if they want him potentially from 2019 and beyond.
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Lycett may also be gettable, would like to know why Archie Smith suddenly can't play also, and if that's something Mummy can fix
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I think it’s just Connors trying to drive Dylan’s price up for his next contract or even get you guys to offer him an extension now. I’m OS now but about a month ago I was told by someone in the industry we were chasing him but I laughed it off at the time thinking he was unobtainable. I still don’t see it happening but Browne gets fed very good intel from the Connors camp
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All clubs act in their own interests. I dont give any speculation this year much credibility. A surprise in trade week us always possible but the speculation from the press doesn't make a particular player any more or less likely to be that surprise in my view.
Last year for all the speculation Wilson was the surprise and there was little speculation, although Smith and Wilson were predicted by a couple on our board.
Next year we're all gonna need thick skins with a lot of players coming off contract and some qualifying as RFA's for the first time. I fearlessly predict a frenzy of speculation. Most players entering RFA do stay though and most, but not all, of the speculation will be BS.My worry is more that we have "supporters" who will turn on the club at the first sign of trouble and make this board an unpleasant place.
The bloke I keep hearing as the surprise departure is Tom Scully. Not in 19’ but long term apparently keen to get back to Victoria.
Came from a recruiter so who knows.
Came from a recruiter so who knows.
Unfortunately not...
I cant see Scully leaving Sydney I think he likes the anonymity and not being the centre of attention and then also what could a club offer him and also the club for him to want to leave and the club to be ok with it
Contracted to 2021 when he will be 30
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Not worried about Scully at all.
Another ruckman we might have a shot at could be Darcy Cameron from the Swans (204cm, 100kg, 23 years old). Would be behind Sinclair and Naismith (when he returns next year) for the number 1 ruck spot and they also have Joel Amartey coming through as a rookie. Not only plays as a ruck and can rack up the possessions (been getting high 20s for possessions and in his last match against Canberra had 30 disposals 9 marks 3 tackles 12 clearances 72 hitouts). Gives us more ruck options and might come at a cheaper price than Preuss. Drafted with a 3rd round pick (pick 48) in 2016 and wouldnt say his stocks have risen massively. Contracted till 2019 so Sydney would hold all the aces there.
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On a minor matter, Tim Bugg is On the outer at the Dees. Possibly a DFA. If we need cheap depth next year I think he might be a good call. At the right price.
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Didn’t he leave due to homesickness? I would hate to rip him from the arms of mum and dad
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Unknown. Ckubs never going to trash players told to look elsewhere. My impression is we traded him for a second rounder because he was surplus, and we had a crop coming through the academy.
He was in the rooms at Spotless after the SF, which tells me he has mates in the team.
https://www.theaustralian.com.au/sp...l/news-story/25db924ef07e98e70dbe790d399d65d0
Dons, Hawks in three-way race for Dylan Shiel
Essendon and Hawthorn have entered into a three-club battle with Carlton for the services next year of Greater Western Sydney star midfielder Dylan Shiel.
Despite Shiel declaring last month he would serve out his contract with the Giants, which expires at the end of next year, it has not stopped the Bombers, Hawks and Blues working overtime to secure him a year early.
Importantly, The Australian understands Greater Western Sydney may have to sacrifice one of their better paid players this year for salary cap relief.
The Australian revealed exclusively in June that last-placed Carlton had identified Shiel as their priority recruiting target this year.
The Blues, in the box seat with the first pick in the national draft before any decision on extra AFL draft concessions is made, will have to convince Shiel their rebuild is heading in the right direction.
Carlton have been the least successful of the 16 “traditional” clubs since the start of 2000, winning 158 of their 427 games for a 37 per cent success rate.
They have won just three of their past 30 matches.
In the middle of last month, Shiel ruled out a move away from GWS in this year’s trade period, which starts on October 8, saying he had not sought options to cut short his contract.
“Unless the Giants are exploring flicking me at the end of the year, at this stage I’m pretty happy up here and I’m contracted until the end of next year,” Shiel told Triple M.
“I’m enjoying my time here and I certainly haven’t looked at any options to leave at the end of this year.
“I’m pretty settled in Sydney with my partner, Georgie.”
Essendon coach John Worsfold last week revealed the Bombers would again attempt to trade in experience from rival clubs. He was a strong push last season for the club’s biggest venture into player trading in more than a decade following the retirement of champion Jobe Watson.
The Bombers traded in Devon Smith from Greater Western Sydney, Jake Stringer from the Western Bulldogs and Adam Saad, who had returned to Melbourne from the Gold Coast for family reasons.
Smith, in particular, has been outstanding and would be leading the club’s best and fairest count after an injury-plagued final season with the Giants.
“We’ve certainly identified if we were to go into trade what we’d be looking for,” Worsfold said.
“(List manager) Adrian Dodoro is doing a huge amount of work presenting to the list management committee around the potential availability of players who would fit the need we might look for in a trade specifically.
“We’ll be very active in the trade period.”
Bombers chief executive Xavier Campbell reiterated Essendon’s position on radio late last week, saying his club would again be taking an aggressive recruiting approach, particularly in their search for another high-class midfielder.
Essendon yesterday confirmed they were in a “comfortable” salary cap position, an indication that they have enough room this year to trade in a big fish such as Shiel.
Hawthorn, which have a few irons in the fire at several clubs involving multiple players, will push harder for Shiel if West Coast free agent Andrew Gaff turns them down. Gaff, who has been offered as much as $1.2 million a season on a long-term deal with the Kangaroos, has yet to decide whether he will stay with the Eagles.
The Hawks may have extra money available for new talent following the retirement last month of Cyril Rioli.
Shiel, who has played 131 games for GWS and has missed only one game in the past two years, perfectly fits the profile Carlton seek: a quality midfielder in his mid-20s who will benefit a list that is either too young or too old.
Coach Brendon Bolton has said the Blues remained open-minded about trading draft selections to secure experienced players. He said the gap in players aged between 22 and 27 on Carlton’s list made consistency difficult.
Carlton general manager of football operations Andrew McKay put the Blues’ 2018 recruiting strategy in the public forum in April when he said the club had a void of quality players in their mid-20s. “We are certainly in the free agency market,” McKay told the Herald Sun. “It has been about the timing of when to decide to seek a free agent … we think the timing is pretty good now.”
Carlton list manager Stephen Silvagni in June said the Blues would be active over the next two national draft and trade periods, with plenty of total player payment freedom to attract players.
Dons, Hawks in three-way race for Dylan Shiel
Essendon and Hawthorn have entered into a three-club battle with Carlton for the services next year of Greater Western Sydney star midfielder Dylan Shiel.
Despite Shiel declaring last month he would serve out his contract with the Giants, which expires at the end of next year, it has not stopped the Bombers, Hawks and Blues working overtime to secure him a year early.
Importantly, The Australian understands Greater Western Sydney may have to sacrifice one of their better paid players this year for salary cap relief.
The Australian revealed exclusively in June that last-placed Carlton had identified Shiel as their priority recruiting target this year.
The Blues, in the box seat with the first pick in the national draft before any decision on extra AFL draft concessions is made, will have to convince Shiel their rebuild is heading in the right direction.
Carlton have been the least successful of the 16 “traditional” clubs since the start of 2000, winning 158 of their 427 games for a 37 per cent success rate.
They have won just three of their past 30 matches.
In the middle of last month, Shiel ruled out a move away from GWS in this year’s trade period, which starts on October 8, saying he had not sought options to cut short his contract.
“Unless the Giants are exploring flicking me at the end of the year, at this stage I’m pretty happy up here and I’m contracted until the end of next year,” Shiel told Triple M.
“I’m enjoying my time here and I certainly haven’t looked at any options to leave at the end of this year.
“I’m pretty settled in Sydney with my partner, Georgie.”
Essendon coach John Worsfold last week revealed the Bombers would again attempt to trade in experience from rival clubs. He was a strong push last season for the club’s biggest venture into player trading in more than a decade following the retirement of champion Jobe Watson.
The Bombers traded in Devon Smith from Greater Western Sydney, Jake Stringer from the Western Bulldogs and Adam Saad, who had returned to Melbourne from the Gold Coast for family reasons.
Smith, in particular, has been outstanding and would be leading the club’s best and fairest count after an injury-plagued final season with the Giants.
“We’ve certainly identified if we were to go into trade what we’d be looking for,” Worsfold said.
“(List manager) Adrian Dodoro is doing a huge amount of work presenting to the list management committee around the potential availability of players who would fit the need we might look for in a trade specifically.
“We’ll be very active in the trade period.”
Bombers chief executive Xavier Campbell reiterated Essendon’s position on radio late last week, saying his club would again be taking an aggressive recruiting approach, particularly in their search for another high-class midfielder.
Essendon yesterday confirmed they were in a “comfortable” salary cap position, an indication that they have enough room this year to trade in a big fish such as Shiel.
Hawthorn, which have a few irons in the fire at several clubs involving multiple players, will push harder for Shiel if West Coast free agent Andrew Gaff turns them down. Gaff, who has been offered as much as $1.2 million a season on a long-term deal with the Kangaroos, has yet to decide whether he will stay with the Eagles.
The Hawks may have extra money available for new talent following the retirement last month of Cyril Rioli.
Shiel, who has played 131 games for GWS and has missed only one game in the past two years, perfectly fits the profile Carlton seek: a quality midfielder in his mid-20s who will benefit a list that is either too young or too old.
Coach Brendon Bolton has said the Blues remained open-minded about trading draft selections to secure experienced players. He said the gap in players aged between 22 and 27 on Carlton’s list made consistency difficult.
Carlton general manager of football operations Andrew McKay put the Blues’ 2018 recruiting strategy in the public forum in April when he said the club had a void of quality players in their mid-20s. “We are certainly in the free agency market,” McKay told the Herald Sun. “It has been about the timing of when to decide to seek a free agent … we think the timing is pretty good now.”
Carlton list manager Stephen Silvagni in June said the Blues would be active over the next two national draft and trade periods, with plenty of total player payment freedom to attract players.
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Never say never and just to go through what is highly unlikely to happen and what I don't want to see either but in order to entice the player it would need to be well over value and then the trade with the club would need to be the same so 5-6 years and 6-7 million for the contract so I could see Carlton, Saints or North making offers like that but what it does to the playing group and long term culture is what is an unknown
I think the clubs are better waiting for next year and seeing what they can shake loose as that is when I can see some hard decisions being made and it could be a choice between some of the younger players and one of the stars
I think the clubs are better waiting for next year and seeing what they can shake loose as that is when I can see some hard decisions being made and it could be a choice between some of the younger players and one of the stars
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