Analysis 2018 List Management discussion Part 1 (continued in Part 2 - see OP for link)

[ParapMarkets]

Again...gone back a few pages and i've seen diddly-squat in terms of educated, considered analysis that somehow indicates Fisher is unlikely or potentially unable to build a tank.

Poor combine tests is the closest anyone has come, but it's clear that how a kid tests at the age of 17 is only partially relevant to their long term prospects. Having a high baseline for fitness and endurance gives some a natural advantage of course, but having a low baseline doesn't mean they can't improve. You've also alluded to their being more to it than this.

If you're getting frustrated by the constant questioning, copy + paste your thoughts somewhere easily accessible and dish them up when appropriate. Alternatively, keep vaguely alluding to Fisher's mystery deficiencies which nobody but you can see, and accept that, in the absence of any qualification, people will call you out on it.

And not just that, I watched a few of his games in WAFL as well as championship games in his draft year, he ran out games very well even back then with his comparably poor combine results (which as Arr0w pointed out wasn't much worse than the number 1 pick who is similarly small). Now obviously AFL is far above the level I had seen him play in but still, I think some people have the ability to push through the pain barrier in games than others, I think he has that.

Everything I hear on here from people around his training is that he is impressing the hell out of the club, I don't see why his fitness can't continue to improve.

 

[Jimmae]

I think some people have the ability to push through the pain barrier in games than others, I think he has that.

Agree with that 100%.

There are also ways you can manipulate cardiovascular (essentially aerobic) fitness a little through diet, and I'm sure once they're happy with his frame, the club will do that too. But the key thing to remember is that he is clearly a burst player both in fitness (anaerobic) and style, and when you play at that intensity you generally have to play in patches.

If you can make the most of each burst to force time on (kick that secures a mark, tackle that gets a free/ball-up, etc) then that works out well. If not, then you're stuck with your athletic traits when the pressure is on, and grit can only take you so far when your lungs are burning and your legs are like jelly.

His clean hands and great left foot will serve him well in those moments, but I just don't see it happening as much around the stoppage as a few on here.

 

[Psychochook]

Fisher showed in his draft year that he was comfortable around bigger bodies, playing WAFL 1sts after the carnival. Has handled himself well at AFL level despite his size.

We all know how Simpson started and he has always had a small frame

Big difference between Simpson's small frame and Fisher's smaller stature.

Fisher will be a little ball of muscle.

 

[Arr0w]

Big difference between Simpson's small frame and Fisher's smaller stature.

Fisher will be a little ball of muscle.

 

[BlueRenaissance]

I like fisher like everyone else. The only weakness for me is that as a midfielder facing 360 degrees is that given his light frame he will struggle to stick a tackle when the ball is going the other way. Needs to be complimented by strong tacklers when he is in the midfield. Don't think he shirks it at all....just think his lighter frame is pushed off.

Every other facet of the game I'm ok with in terms of being a midfielder. I even think he brings a little of his own magic in terms of knowing where to be. Has a nice 6th sense in way.

Not running him down, just being honest. I have him locked in my best 22.

 

[Psychochook]

Aaah Fisher.

I don't know what his past may be and maybe not even what his future may hold.
Did though love his work through his TAC year and the first glimpse I got of him last year, was him throwing his face onto the boot of a team-mate to smother the ball.......and he did this twice in the one minute. I mean that's far from enough but putting all the pieces together, I see him as becoming a very good player for us, if indeed his head is screwed on properly. Given we quickly re-contracted him until 2020, the club may feel it is.




All being well, we'll see plenty more of this. It's what he does.

What cracker of a ping.

Fantasy pig in the making.

 

[Magruder]

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[Bluebag13]

I like fisher like everyone else. The only weakness for me is that as a midfielder facing 360 degrees is that given his light frame he will struggle to stick a tackle when the ball is going the other way. Needs to be complimented by strong tacklers when he is in the midfield. Don't think he shirks it at all....just think his lighter frame is pushed off.

Every other facet of the game I'm ok with in terms of being a midfielder. I even think he brings a little of his own magic in terms of knowing where to be. Has a nice 6th sense in way.

Not running him down, just being honest. I have him locked in my best 22.

Not to be to harsh but I couldn’t disagree more, yes he has a light frame but we saw a few times last year him bring down blokes a lot bigger than him.
He has put on some weight and I expect him to continue with his tenacious and driven playing style this year and into the future.


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[ShanDog]

Not to be to harsh but I couldn’t disagree more, yes he has a light frame but we saw a few times last year him bring down blokes a lot bigger than him.
He has put on some weight and I expect him to continue with his tenacious and driven playing style this year and into the future.


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A light frame isn't an impediment to tackling if you have good technique, and probably more importantly, good burst speed. If you hit the target hard, you can make up some of the missing size you have with acceleration. Not easy to do, but someone like Fisher is capable of it where a player like Boekhorst wasn't, and he's significantly bigger. The half-hearted arms outstretched attempt to tackle while barely moving doesn't cut it, even if you are 100kg and the best part of 200cm - you'll be brushed aside by a moving target. Fisher hits the body hard and uses that momentum to stick the tackle like you should. Might not come off every time, but he won't just let players waltz away as the standard.

 

[Jimmae]

A light frame isn't an impediment to tackling if you have good technique, and probably more importantly, good burst speed. If you hit the target hard, you can make up some of the missing size you have with acceleration. Not easy to do, but someone like Fisher is capable of it where a player like Boekhorst wasn't, and he's significantly bigger. The half-hearted arms outstretched attempt to tackle while barely moving doesn't cut it, even if you are 100kg and the best part of 200cm - you'll be brushed aside by a moving target. Fisher hits the body hard and uses that momentum to stick the tackle like you should. Might not come off every time, but he won't just let players waltz away as the standard.

While it's highly commendable, when you're conceding 10+ kgs in a contest, you risk things like breaking your collar bone when you tackle at high speed with that level of intent.

Players of Fisher's stature have to pick their battles when it comes to front-on contact. Go when it's your turn, but the brute force approach shouldn't be a point of pride when other options are available to you.

 

[DirkDiggler]

Fisher ticks a lot of boxes for me but if he were to play as a regular small forward doesn't he needs to be dual sided, or isn't it a big deal? Also needs to learn to be more selfish in front of goals. Love his ferocity at the ball.

 

[ShanDog]

While it's highly commendable, when you're conceding 10+ kgs in a contest, you risk things like breaking your collar bone when you tackle at high speed with that level of intent.

Players of Fisher's stature have to pick their battles when it comes to front-on contact. Go when it's your turn, but the brute force approach shouldn't be a point of pride when other options are available to you.

Completely agree you have to be extra smart about when and how you tackle if you're a smaller player. No doubt.

 

[skadoosh]

Bolts has taught the newer players to tackle with tenacity and ferociousness. No more half-hearted tackles. It’s visually a very obvious difference between the two. I saw Fisher, Samo, Williamson and Pickett laying tackles continuously and with intent last year. They may not have AFL-hardened bodies yet, but they definitely were not getting shrugged off most of the time.

Important points would’ve been to go at the ball carrier with intent while keeping on your toes/low centre of gravity so as not to get wrong-footed, wrap the arms, pin the arms then drag him down.
No more tackles solely around the hips - that’s just embarrassing.

I’m expecting the team to continue its tackle pressure this year at another level.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Kreuzer looking to spend more time up forward with Lobbe joining the club. Seems Phillips is last in the pecking order.

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2018-02-24/new-goal-as-blues-star-goes-on-the-attack

 

[BluStreak]

Not Levi. He can barely get to the right spots himself. I wouldnt count on him instructing anyone.

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nah ur right Levi is not going to be instructing but he will be used for structure. Daisy will do both.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Carlton really needs to go all out and sign Rory Slaone as a free agent.


... so then SOS can trade him back to the Crows for another two first round picks

 

[zeeCFC]

Carlton really needs to go all out and sign Rory Slaone as a free agent.


... so then SOS can trade him back to the Crows for another two first round picks

I'm seeing a ghost!

 

[GinTonic]

A whisper I've heard is that out of all our young talent, SPS is the one rated most highly. Which makes my mouth water since personally I have Cripps and Charlie ahead of him. (Both on potential and output to date)

 

[Sector 7G]

A whisper I've heard is that out of all our young talent, SPS is the one rated most highly. Which makes my mouth water since personally I have Cripps and Charlie ahead of him. (Both on potential and output to date)

Had 1 Bog in his year.
Expect at least 3 from him this year

 

[ferrisb]

Had 1 Bog in his year.
Expect at least 3 from him this year

Reckon SPS will play at least 23 good games this year....

 

[AceAndy]

Reckon SPS will play at least 23 good games this year....

More likely in 2019 ....

 

[Aphrodite]

Reckon SPS will play at least 25 good games this year....

 

[blue healer]

Had 1 Bog in his year.
Expect at least 3 from him this year

Must have been somewhat constipated by the end of the year.

Sorry, keep forgetting....football, Football, FOOTBALL (slaps side of head in exasperation).

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

Last chance blue.

 

[inyourcool]

A whisper I've heard is that out of all our young talent, SPS is the one rated most highly. Which makes my mouth water since personally I have Cripps and Charlie ahead of him. (Both on potential and output to date)

You can see why. The composure and natural talent he showed in his first year was extraordinary.

Him and Dow are the two I'm most keen to observe - pure footballing talent