Analysis 2018 List Management discussion Pt 2

[HereComesJuddy]

The more I watch Dow the more I think he could be absolutely elite. I actually think he will be the player teams are most concerned about in the future. His turn of foot and ability to read the contest is incredible for a teenager.

I see dow in a very similar way i see treloar/dangerfield. Believe dow with be A grade within the next 3 years. Maybe this is why im keen to pick up walsh as our first pick. Whats better than 1 of those players. 2 of course.

Both play inside and outside. Very classy and should be guns. I feel within 3 years we could go from 2 A graders (Cripps and Docherty) and Curnow climbing quickly, to a lot.

Dow, Walsh, SPS, weitering, McKay, Fisher, LOB imo can explode in the next 3 years. If so, the comp will cop a hiding.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I'd prefer to draft and develop someone, really.

We don't need the mature depth down back any more, or at least we shouldn't after this year. Next year will be Weitering's third, Marchbank's fourth, Plowman's fourth, Doc's fifth (coming back from an ACL is hard, but it isn't as though he's spent all of that time sitting on his laurels) and Macreadie's second/third. I don't see the point in delisting both of Rowe and Silvagni in the one year, especially if you're also getting rid of KGM in the same season. Draft one or two project players, retain Rowe, and let the youngsters take over properly. Sure they'll get exposed, but that's kind of the point right now.

Agree with this. It'll actually be Weitering' 4th, Marchbank's 5th and Plowman's 6th years. They are old enough if they are good enough. They aren't kids anymore and really shouldn't need anyone to "protect" them. Rowe onto Rookie list for me and they should be fine.

 

[ShanDog]

I wrote a poem for you all ...

Get more mids.
Get more mids.
You all shit me to tears.
Get more mids.

Just... beautiful.



Will be showing it to my year 8 English class doing poetry right now.

 

[cfc4life]

For us that have not seen him play, can you describe the type of player he is?
Strengths?

Hey mate, could you pass on some thoughts of what you noticed how the 18 metre rectangle kick outs effected a team not being locked into their defensive 50 after a behind by opposition?

Maybe outside of this thread and copy and paste this to a thread for it. Would have loved to get there to see myself but was unable to on weekend.

I agree about Fisher, btw.

Decent pace, great user of the footy off half back mostly. He's also not afraid to put his body on the line despite a smaller frame.

edit- The extended goal square was very weird but didn't really make a difference.

 

[Juddernaut08]

The more I watch Dow the more I think he could be absolutely elite. I actually think he will be the player teams are most concerned about in the future. His turn of foot and ability to read the contest is incredible for a teenager.

He's got a lot of time. Has that rare poise in the contest that allows him to not just get off a disposal, but think his way through in a split second and make the optimal decision.

Couple that with that burst first step and his ridiculous lateral ability, far out he's an exciting prospect.

Can't help but thinking with Cripps Dow and SPS, we'll have an elite midfield in 2 years time.

 

[footyfan1978]

Decent pace, great user of the footy off half back mostly. He's also not afraid to put his body on the line despite a smaller frame.

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Curious why I am tagged. I am not Diesel Williams...lol

 

[footyfan1978]

He's got a lot of time. Has that rare poise in the contest that allows him to not just get off a disposal, but think his way through in a split second and make the optimal decision.

Couple that with that burst first step and his ridiculous lateral ability, far out he's an exciting prospect.

Can't help but thinking with Cripps Dow and SPS, we'll have an elite midfield in 2 years time.

We still missing depth!!!!!!

 

[Juddernaut08]

We still missing depth!!!!!!

You're not a fan of the Ed, Graham and Kerridge trio? I call them the Butchers.

 

[Faz 2000]

I see dow in a very similar way i see treloar/dangerfield.

Agree, I think Dow is exactly what a "star" looks like before they're a star!

Treloar is a very very good footballer. He's not perfect - he has some shortcomings - but he's still a star for what he CAN do. The running power, the acceleration, the willingness to run, create, break lines. I think he is what Dow should be aiming for. Dow has lots of work to do to get there, but he sure likes like he has some similar capabilities.

(They even both have a tendency to wildly mishit their kicks )

 

[Faz 2000]

You're not a fan of the Ed, Graham and Kerridge trio? I call them the Butchers.

Where scoring chains go to die.

 

[footyfan1978]

You're not a fan of the Ed, Graham and Kerridge trio? I call them the Butchers.

We were called The Butchers in the late 1800's I believe. True story....lol

I am not a fan of those guys but also not an enemy. They all got their flaws but we need better on the list in next two years development that we got much better depth to choose from.

 

[footyfan1978]

From Blueseum.....
In 1913 The Football Record reporting on the Round 7 clash against Richmond said;
"With something like accuracy in their shooting the Richmond lads might have had a good win to their credit; as it was they gave the "butcher boys" a hard shake, but the victory by Carlton more than compensated for that."

 

[Arr0w]

I'd prefer to draft and develop someone, really.

We don't need the mature depth down back any more, or at least we shouldn't after this year. Next year will be Weitering's third, Marchbank's fourth, Plowman's fourth, Doc's fifth (coming back from an ACL is hard, but it isn't as though he's spent all of that time sitting on his laurels) and Macreadie's second/third. I don't see the point in delisting both of Rowe and Silvagni in the one year, especially if you're also getting rid of KGM in the same season. Draft one or two project players, retain Rowe, and let the youngsters take over properly. Sure they'll get exposed, but that's kind of the point right now.

In terms of KPD'S, under 25, we only have Macreadie and Weitering

ASOS and Rowe at shot, only leaving Jones

Plow and Marchy are 3rd talls

We are okay for next year, but not beyond

 

[Gethelred]

In terms of KPD'S, under 25, we only have Macreadie and Weitering

ASOS and Rowe at shot, only leaving Jones

Plow and Marchy are 3rd talls

We are okay for next year, but not beyond

I don't think Rowe is shot.

Plow and Marchbank are very different players, but on a fundamentally basic level, yes they're third tall/hybrid defenders. That's not to say that learning defence isn't something Marchbank couldn't/shouldn't do, while I see Plowman as the Grimes essential mixed defender who minds anyone without a clear matchup whilst folding off like Josh Gibson. I'd be content for Jones and Rowe to be our KPP in defence in the VFL, with 1-2 draftees slotting in to develop.

I'm not hard saying, "No, definitely not Collins, don't want him under any circumstances!" but getting in a 25 year old backstop when we could draft one - your knowledge of who's a possible candidate is better than mine, who would you suggest and in what draft range? - to play a little more daringly and with a higher ceiling/more longevity to play in the VFL until they're ready is a better option for everything but the short term.

 

[skadoosh]

He's got a lot of time. Has that rare poise in the contest that allows him to not just get off a disposal, but think his way through in a split second and make the optimal decision.

Couple that with that burst first step and his ridiculous lateral ability, far out he's an exciting prospect.

Can't help but thinking with Cripps Dow and SPS, we'll have an elite midfield in 2 years time.

When you think about it how many AFL players actually run and bounce carrying to ball at full speed? Most names coming up would be wingers. Now midfielders? Only Danger's name comes to mind. We have a kid who uses his speed and burst and isn't afraid to use it and will only get better and better as he realises what he can do. Dow is 18 years old...which is simply amazing.

 

[HARKER]

Garlett needs to do something next year to earn another contract.

Sometimes a player is so poor that his name is hardly worth the mention......Garlett has been that person in recent weeks.
Maybe I got him on a particularly bad run of form, but he just doesn't seem to add anything, anywhere.

The CFC are carrying too many players that simply can't find the ball as things stand and Garlett is leading the pack.
He does have another year, so he best get his shit together pretty quick. Boekhorst was twice the player Garlett is for now. Has to change quick.

 

[Masqualero]

Dow would floor his old man if the pill was on the other side of him

#bluemour

 

[Thehurdle]

Was interested in Cerra. Didn’t do much yesterday, Dow miles ahead of him.

 

[ETET]

Fasolo maybe coming.... he is, I believe , better than all our half forwards this year in Wright, Garlett, Lamb, Cunningham Polson, and on actual AFL output Jack and Pickett as well.

 

[Masqualero]

Liba, Hanners and Dahl, have a crack.

If we can't play hard we might as well party hard.

Try and get some of the top end 19 FA, we should be a more attractive then and the guys above would help get us there.

The cost would be good as Hanners and Liba value is at an all time low, Dahl is surplus to doggies needs is the talk from their posters.

If one of the injured two pulls a Burgoyne it is a win because the cost would be a fraction of the true value IF they get back to good footy.

If Hanners and Liba get to even 80% the middle looks good, if the are a cultural fit.

 

[Tyruddanaut]

Higgins fell in the draft due to his attitude, his ability wasn't the question.

Dropping out is a red flag

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Liba, Hanners and Dahl, have a crack.

If we can't play hard we might as well party hard.

Try and get some of the top end 19 FA, we should be a more attractive then and the guys above would help get us there.

The cost would be good as Hanners and Liba value is at an all time low, Dahl is surplus to doggies needs is the talk from their posters.

If one of the injured two pulls a Burgoyne it is a win because the cost would be a fraction of the true value IF they get back to good footy.

If Hanners and Liba get to even 80% the middle looks good, if the are a cultural fit.

DH would cost a decent pick. No thanks

 

[Masqualero]

DH would cost a decent pick. No thanks

Right now? I think there is a perception he is cooked, i think if we offered 2 seconds that may get it done.
His last year wasn't as good as the year before and this has been his worst season by far.
You wouldn't need a first surely given the situation around why his name is being floated around as a trade target.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Right now? I think there is a perception he is cooked, i think if we offered 2 seconds that may get it done.
His last year wasn't as good as the year before and this has been his worst season by far.
You wouldn't need a first surely given the situation around why his name is being floated around as a trade target.

1 2nd is too much imo

 

[djholmes]

After reviewing videos of Walsh, he plays a lot of Bryce Gibbs. He won't win you a game but will consistently get 20 possessions and has no pace. Will probably become B grade like Bryce Gibbs.

I think we need to take Lukosius would has everything to become A grade.