Analysis 2018 List Management discussion Pt 2

[BigFrizz36]

I’ve got a different opinion to others, which is healthy for discussion on here.

Far too much groupthink and unfounded optimism on the basis on nothing.

JMO

fair enough you are entitled to your opinion.

just checked the dictionary for the word myopic. just had a picture of an overweight 34 year old brendan goddard in a carlton jumper in his "it wasn't my fault" whingeing pose.

 

[La Dispute]

You ask for the reasons why some believe Polson will make it, you are supplied facts regarding disposals that are not dissimilar to other small forwards within the competition, yet the only fact you have is an opinion, just like anyone else. Again I will say, he had more disposals than 4 of the Dogs forwards on the weekend.

Easy to pot players, in starvation corner in a poor side and all this based on him playing 12 games. I am glad many here weren't list managers in Simpson's first 20 games.

You’re confusing ‘potting players’ which having a discussion. Confirmation some just can’t handle anything perceived as slightly negative, and instead get triggered and pull out some abitrary statistic which is supposed to somewhat present a reasonable, balanced view but actually proves the opposite - there’s little to be said.

So much cheerleading, and so little meaningful discussion.

 

[BlueRenaissance]

I also agree that media personalities and opposition supporters are missing the danger of what we are building and have no depth of understanding of what has occurred at Carlton in 2018. Like Arrow said, it also applies to some of our own supporters who can only see the win/loss column and not the series of unfortunate events that have cut off our ability to compete.

I honestly think if we got Shiel this trade period and one other half decent mature mid and got all players on the park we would surprise a lot of people in 2019. It's why i personally dont care about the PP and enjoy the: general public/medias support, and ultimately the AFLs stupidity in giving us a pick and maybe even mid first round pick at that.

Still dont rate Polson tho lol.

But i do rate:
Dow
Cripps
Docherty
SPS
O'Brien
Kennedy
Weitering
Curnow
Mckay (franked form this season where previously unsure)
Marchbank
Macreadie (when he finally gets his chance)
Williamson (see above)
Byrne
Fisher

and i hold out hope for a few others.

 

[Arr0w]

You’re confusing ‘potting players’ which having a discussion. Confirmation some just can’t handle anything perceived as slightly negative, and instead get triggered and pull out some abitrary statistic which is supposed to somewhat present a reasonable, balanced view but actually proves the opposite - there’s little to be said.

So much cheerleading, and so little meaningful discussion.

There is a massive difference between negative sentiment like "one of worst players in the AFL" and detailed discussions as to why he may or may not make it.

Compare his output, as a 2nd year, 12 game player to other small forwards in bottom 6 sides, it might surprise you

 

[GapInIkonPark]

richmond sniffing around casboult as back up ruck

Swap for Shai Bolton, make it happen SOS.

 

[BlueRenaissance]

There is a massive difference between negative sentiment like "one of worst player in the AFL" and detailed discussions as to why he may or may not make it.

Compare his output, as a 2nd year, 12 game player to other small forwards in bottom 6 sides, it might surprise you

If you had to make a hard list mgmt call on taking forward either Polson or Pickett, who would you take?

 

[boltsbabyblues]

If you had to make a hard list mgmt call on taking forward either Polson or Pickett, who would you take?

pickett

 

[Arr0w]

If you had to make a hard list mgmt call on taking forward either Polson or Pickett, who would you take?

I would keep both, there are other small forwards on the list that should be cut before both

 

[BlueRenaissance]

The 2018 draft would see me targeting a decent small in the draft.

I would keep both, there are other small forwards on the list that should be cut before both

Ever the diplomat and keeping Soapy onside

If I think of Garlett, Pickett and Polson, I too would persist a little longer but hedge my bets as none seem a lock at all. I'd be drafting a decent small forward this draft with a second rounder type cost if there is one there...and only do this after we have filled our mid requirements first.

 

[Blugazi]

Some trade/list mgmt. scenarios...

Alex Fasolo (FA) > CARL

~Pick 19 + Pick 25 > NTH
Pick 9 + Pick 40 > CARL

Levi Casboult + Pick 9 > GC
Will Brodie (or Jack Scrimshaw) + Pick 28 > CARL

Pick 15 > ADE
Pick 24 + Pick 40 > HAW
Mitch McGovern > CARL

Carlton’s 2019 first round pick > GWS
Dylan Shiel + Pick 24 > CARL

In: Fasolo, Brodie, Shiel, M.McGovern, Pick 1 (Sam Walsh), Pick 24, Pick 28
Out: Casboult, Graham, O’Shea, Mullett, Kerridge, Phillips (re-rookie or rookie another ruckman), one of Lang/Garlett/Rowe/Lamb/Wright?

Midfield starts looking deeper with: Cripps, Shiel, Murphy, Fisher, Dow, E.Curnow, SPS, Kennedy, Brodie, Walsh, O'Brien.

 

[Arr0w]

The 2018 draft would see me targeting a decent small in the draft.


Ever the diplomat and keeping Soapy onside

If I think of Garlett, Pickett and Polson, I too would persist a little longer but hedge my bets as none seem a lock at all. I'd be drafting a decent small forward this draft with a second rounder type cost if there is one there...and only do this after we have filled our mid requirements first.

I don't agree with targeting small forwards, for me that limits the depth of your list. Build a midfield and the excess can be small forwards, Stevie J, Greene, Motlop, Wingard, Gray, Higgins, Walters. That to me is more of a sound list management model

I don't do diplomatic, surely you should know that by now

Just a couple more facts for those suggesting Polson is one of the worst players in the AFL

Castagna played only 5 games in the 2 years after being drafted
Butler played no games in the 2 years after being drafted

I think it just confirms that late picks generally need more time

 

[La Dispute]

There is a massive difference between negative sentiment like "one of worst player in the AFL" and detailed discussions as to why he may or may not make it.

Compare his output, as a 2nd year, 12 game player to other small forwards in bottom 6 sides, it might surprise you

If you’re going to quote me at least do it accurately.

“One of the worst players currently getting a game in the AFL” - which I don’t doubt.

That’s the most specific statistic I’ve heard recently, but go on, indulge me.

 

[La Dispute]

**** it'll just bring out the stats myself

Castagna v Polson 2nd years

Avg disposals
Castagna - 15
Polson - 7

Goals
Castagna - 2 (from 5 games)
Polson 1 (from 11 games)

So Castagna averaged double the disposals and kicked more goals from less than half the number of games

 

[Arr0w]

If you’re going to quote me at least do it accurately.

“One of the worst players currently getting a game in the AFL” - which I don’t doubt.

That’s the most specific statistic I’ve heard recently, but go on, indulge me.

Pretty sure what I quoted is the same

Me - "one of worst player in the AFL"
You - “One of the worst players currently getting a game in the AFL”

Is that not the same?

As for stats, I have already posted them, but happy to do it again for you

Castagna played only 5 games in the 2 years after being drafted
Butler played no games in the 2 years after being drafted

 

[La Dispute]

Pretty sure what I quoted is the same

Me - "one of worst player in the AFL"
You - “One of the worst players currently getting a game in the AFL”

Is that not the same?

As for stats, I have already posted them, but happy to do it again for you

Castagna played only 5 games in the 2 years after being drafted
Butler played no games in the 2 years after being drafted

Surely you can see the distinction

One of the worst in the AFL - one of the worst players on a list
One of the worst players currently getting a game - one of the worst players running around in the best 22 of any side

Have a look at the stats above btw

 

[Blues90]

Pretty sure what I quoted is the same

Me - "one of worst player in the AFL"
You - “One of the worst players currently getting a game in the AFL”

Is that not the same?

As for stats, I have already posted them, but happy to do it again for you

Castagna played only 5 games in the 2 years after being drafted
Butler played no games in the 2 years after being drafted

This is polsons second year those stats were castagnas 3rd when poisons whole first year was done to a shoulder reconstruction sooooo

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[La Dispute]

At his current trajectory Polson is on track to becoming almost half the player Jason Castagna is

Nice

 

[Arr0w]

This is polsons second year those stats were castagnas 3rd when poisons whole first year was done to a shoulder reconstruction sooooo

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Castagna was drafted in 2014, no games 2015, 5 in 2016
Polson, was drafted 2016, 1 game 2017, 11 in 2017

 

[Arr0w]

At his current trajectory Polson is on track to becoming almost half the player Jason Castagna is

Nice

No you stick with "one of the worst players currently getting games in the AFL"

A 20 year old

How about you and I resume this end of next year

 

[PrinceCharles]

This is polsons second year those stats were castagnas 3rd when poisons whole first year was done to a shoulder reconstruction sooooo

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100% calling him Poison for the rest of his career now.

 

[thylacine60]

 

[thylacine60]

100% calling him Poison for the rest of his career now.

post-splitters should be shot at dawn.........!

 

[HereComesJuddy]

**** it'll just bring out the stats myself

Castagna v Polson 2nd years

Avg disposals
Castagna - 15
Polson - 7

Goals
Castagna - 2 (from 5 games)
Polson 1 (from 11 games)

So Castagna averaged double the disposals and kicked more goals from less than half the number of games

Why are you comparing them?
Different player
Different role
Different team

Zero point comparing

 

[Blues90]

100% calling him Poison for the rest of his career now.

Hahahaha

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[La Dispute]

Why are you comparing them?
Different player
Different role
Different team

Zero point comparing

Arrow wanted to compare so I just went with it.

How many players are the same player? What does that even mean?