Opinion 2018 Non-Crows Discussion Thread

[Traveling_Power]

LOL

 

[JP Sauce]

Jesus these last few pages have been dire.

 

[Traveling_Power]

None of these players are proven best 22 yet, though good signs with Houston.

It's not like you have had a great strike rate with the development of your players. Let's look at the national draft.

2016
Adelaide - Gallucci, Polholke, Himmelberg, Signorello, Davis
Port - Marshall, Atley, Drew
Too early to call, but promising players from both sides.

2015
Adelaide - Milera, Doedee
Port - Bonner, Johnson
Too early to call, but signs are Crows ahead on this one with both likely to be best 22 this year.

2014
Adelaide - Lever, Wigg, McGovern
Port - Howard, Austin, Palmer
Crows 2-0.5 for best 22

2013
Adelaide - M Crouch, Knight, Hartigan, Laird
Port - Impey, Harvey, Byrne-Jones, Amon
Crows 4-2.5 with quality picks, including 2 defender rookie upgrades... great result given draft sanctions.

2012
Adelaide - Siggins, Atkins
Port - Wines, Clury, Shaw
Power 2-1 with Crows hurt by Tippett-gate loss of picks.

So

2012 = Power
2013 =Cows
2014 = Equal
2015 = Equal
2016 = to early to tell
2017 = to early to tell

 

[mistylake]

Agreed.

Hence the reason why the team is full of waterpolo and lacrosse players.
It’s bad enough having guys like JJ and Henderson. Just because your an athlete doesn’t mean you can football.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

So

2012 = Power
2013 =Cows
2014 = Equal
2015 = Equal
2016 = to early to tell
2017 = to early to tell

Lol, how is 2014 equal as you have no one like Gov or Lever from Austin, Howard & Palmer!

If you tally the overall strike rate, it doesn't look so good for Port.

 

[Jenkins4]

So

2012 = Power
2013 =Cows
2014 = Equal
2015 = Equal
2016 = to early to tell
2017 = to early to tell

Get the **** off this board.

 

[Carmo]

So

2012 = Power
2013 =Cows
2014 = Equal
2015 = Equal
2016 = to early to tell
2017 = to early to tell

If you put in the draft picks, it would swing more in our favour I think. We lost our first two rounders in 2012 and 2013 I think.

 

[Traveling_Power]

Lol, how is 2014 equal as you have no one like Gov or Lever from Austin, Howard & Palmer!

If you tally the overall strike rate, it doesn't look so good for Port.

Easy this is from your post

2014
Adelaide - Lever, Wigg, McGovern
Port - Howard, Austin, Palmer
Crows 2-0.5 for best 22

Lever and Wigg are gone
Austin and Palmer are gone

that leaves McGovern v Howard

McGovern plays forward
Howard plays forward, mid and Defence

McGovern has played 36 games (he did have an injury)
Howard has played 10 games (after a knee injury)

so both currently are equal

so 2014 = equal

 

[Traveling_Power]

Get the **** off this board.

?????

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Easy this is from your post

2014
Adelaide - Lever, Wigg, McGovern
Port - Howard, Austin, Palmer
Crows 2-0.5 for best 22

Lever and Wigg are gone
Austin and Palmer are gone

that leaves McGovern v Howard

McGovern plays forward
Howard plays forward, mid and Defence

McGovern has played 36 games (he did have an injury)
Howard has played 10 games (after a knee injury)

so both currently are equal

so 2014 = equal

We are talking about development, so that includes players who have left... though ours we normally get more value than we drafted them for, where you usually get less.

Lever & Gov have both been developed to be regular best 22 players. None of your 3 are best 22 yet.

It's a no contest in anyone's language!

 

[Jenkins4]

?????

Is being an ignorant troll that ingrained into your brain?

**** off with your ‘cows’ bullshit

 

[mistylake]

We are talking about development, so that includes players who have left... though ours we normally get more value than we drafted them for, where you usually get less.

Lever & Gov have both been developed to be regular best 22 players. None of your 3 are best 22 yet.

It's a no contest in anyone's language!

This is one of those classic “when you argue with an idiot situations”

 

[Traveling_Power]

We are talking about development, so that includes players who have left... though ours we normally get more value than we drafted them for, where you usually get less.

Lever & Gov have both been developed to be regular best 22 players. None of your 3 are best 22 yet.

It's a no contest in anyone's language!

yes your development of Lever was ahead of our Austin or Palmer (but pity you lost Lever)... and for the record Palmer was ahead of Wigg (3 games to nil)

but with Howard v McGovern the jury is still out (especially with Howard having a knee injury in 2016) hopefully both will have good years over the next couple of years (and I think that Howard is a good match up for McGovern)

 

[Traveling_Power]

Is being an ignorant troll that ingrained into your brain?

**** off with your ‘cows’ bullshit

what ever

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

yes your development of Lever was ahead of our Austin or Palmer (but pity you lost Lever)... and for the record Palmer was ahead of Wigg (3 games to nil)

but with Howard v McGovern the jury is still out (especially with Howard having a knee injury in 2016) hopefully both will have good years over the next couple of years (and I think that Howard is a good match up for McGovern)

Lol, I don't know why you are trying to justify this as an even drafting/development year by the 2 sides, because it's about as one-sided as you can get!

Lol, Howard has been performing at Gov's level. When did Howard change the course of a game....

 

[Traveling_Power]

Lol, I don't know why you are trying to justify this as an even drafting/development year by the 2 sides, because it's about as one-sided as you can get!

Lol, Howard has been performing at Gov's level. When did Howard change the course of a game....

does breaking the Hawks - Josh Gibson's AFL record for 1% count ?

in 2017 he set a new AFL record for 1%ers (and this after only 10 games) Has Gov done something like this ?

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

does breaking the Hawks - Josh Gibson's AFL record for 1% count ?

in 2017 he set a new AFL record for 1%ers (and this after only 10 games) Has Gov done something like this ?

Yeah, he has changed the course games off his own boot.

Are you that one eyed, that you are going to continue down this path of trying to justify Port's development matches Adelaide?

Why do you think you have to bring in proven players like Ryder, Dixon, Rockliff, Motlop & Watts... because your development has not been as good as it should be.

Meanwhile we have net exported players out in quality terms.

 

[Elite Crow]

Easy this is from your post

2014
Adelaide - Lever, Wigg, McGovern
Port - Howard, Austin, Palmer
Crows 2-0.5 for best 22

Lever and Wigg are gone
Austin and Palmer are gone

that leaves McGovern v Howard

McGovern plays forward
Howard plays forward, mid and Defence

McGovern has played 36 games (he did have an injury)
Howard has played 10 games (after a knee injury)

so both currently are equal

so 2014 = equal

Do you honestly believe Howard is the equal to Gov?

Howard started as a forward but isn’t cut out for it and was moved to defence. Gov is a forward, he doesn’t need to play back because everyone besides the odd silly, knows how good he is going to be.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Do you honestly believe Howard is the equal to Gov?

Howard started as a forward but isn’t cut out for it and was moved to defence. Gov is a forward, he doesn’t need to play back because everyone besides the odd silly, knows how good he is going to be.

Their supporters are learning how to spin any situation like their President.

It's the cult of Port...

 

[Elite Crow]

Yeah, he has changed the course games off his own boot.

Are you that one eyed, that you are going to continue down this path of trying to justify Port's development matches Adelaide?

Why do you think you have to bring in proven players like Ryder, Dixon, Rockliff, Motlop & Watts... because your development has not been as good as it should be.

Meanwhile we have net exported players out in quality terms.

We convert pick 14 into two firsts. They turn 16 in 95.

We develop a rookie into pick 13 which lands us Fogarty. They turn picks in the 30s to picks 50 plus.

 

[Elite Crow]

Their supporters are learning how to spin any situation like their President.

It's the cult of Port...

It happens every offseason. They get cocky and then they have to play a top 8 side and it all comes crashing down.

 

[Bay62]

It happens every offseason. They get cocky and then they have to play a top 8 side and it all comes crashing down.

You would think that after the crap they’ve served up recently they’d keep a bit quiet, put their heads down, acknowledge that they’ve got a bit to catch up on and just say that they’re working on making their new players an important part of the team

But nope. Nopitty nope nope nope

 

[Traveling_Power]

Yeah, he has changed the course games off his own boot.

Are you that one eyed, that you are going to continue down this path of trying to justify Port's development matches Adelaide?

Why do you think you have to bring in proven players like Ryder, Dixon, Rockliff, Motlop & Watts... because your development has not been as good as it should be.

Meanwhile we have net exported players out in quality terms.

I only came here to answer a honest query by outoftowncrow ... every one else has brought up other things re development

now re Howard / Gov . both have played to few of games to work out who is better .. (you will think it is Gov and I will think it is Howard especially seeing how one has played 36 games and one has played 10 games despite an knee injury) ... what we all need to see is Howard on Gov in a Showdown (to decide who is more developed)

Ryder, Dixon, Rockliff, Motlop & Watts have been a bonus for us .. (remember we got Ryder one year, Dixon another and Rockliff, Motlop & Watts in the 3rd year) it is like we are ahead of your team who got Gibbs and Gibson this year....

as for our development I think that it is coming along well ... we have SPP, Houston, Howard, Marshall, Atley , that will play games this year ..

and I think that Barry, Drew, Garner, Liengert might get one or two games his year (for their development)

 

[Traveling_Power]

Do you honestly believe Howard is the equal to Gov?

Howard started as a forward but isn’t cut out for it and was moved to defence. Gov is a forward, he doesn’t need to play back because everyone besides the odd silly, knows how good he is going to be.

I do believe that Howard could be the match up for Gov ..

 

[Elite Crow]

I only came here to answer a honest query by outoftowncrow ... every one else has brought up other things re development

now re Howard / Gov . both have played to few of games to work out who is better .. (you will think it is Gov and I will think it is Howard especially seeing how one has played 36 games and one has played 10 games despite an knee injury) ... what we all need to see is Howard on Gov in a Showdown (to decide who is more developed)

Ryder, Dixon, Rockliff, Motlop & Watts have been a bonus for us .. (remember we got Ryder one year, Dixon another and Rockliff, Motlop & Watts in the 3rd year) it is like we are ahead of your team who got Gibbs and Gibson this year....

as for our development I think that it is coming along well ... we have SPP, Houston, Howard, Marshall, Atley , that will play games this year ..

and I think that Barry, Drew, Garner, Liengert might get one or two games his year (for their development)

“It’s like we are ahead of your team”

You need to stop reading Janus, it’s messing with your sense of reality. Just go back to the last time we played and ask yourself are you really ahead?