Opinion 2018 Non-Crows Discussion Thread

[Slippery Pete]

Their Chairman is on Free to Air Television 15 hours a week on the same network.

That's some high level delusion.

Janus level even.

The most malignant football journalist in this state by FAR is a rusted-on Port Adelaide supporter who has meddled in things like suspensions and father-son rules, among literally hundreds of other things he’s said, written and done to the benefit of Port and the detriment of Adelaide, over a period of decades.

Theyre getting worked up over a chick who is not even a football reporter, has been in the media five minutes, and was seen wearing a Crows scarf once.

 

[pjcrows]

It's not just money though. It's also to keep Vic footy strong while also expanding the game into more populated areas.

If it was purely about money then all the unsupported, broke Vic clubs would be booted - Kangas, Saints, Dogs, Dees. They'd also give up on GWS and GC, but I can at least see that those are very costly investments. There's absolutely no potential for growth with the 4 crappy Melbourne teams though outside of temporary membership boosts in good seasons.

Great point.

 

[amer]

So we have it in Sydney and Brisbane where no one gives a stuff ?? Nah thanks.

An imagination-capturing, continent-wide sports event that showcases our game, our cities, brings economic boon and pulls thousands of new fans to our sport.

Imagine a Sydney Harbour Grand Final pre-match spectacular. Fighter jets. The Harbour Bridge. That event in the middle of Sydney.

Imagine how iconic on a continental scale we could actually make our game.

We already travel to Melbourne for the Grand Final. 100,000 of us. West Coast vs Sydney.

I bet you State of Origin is a VERY big deal when it hits Adelaide in 2020.

 

[pjcrows]

I bet you State of Origin is a VERY big deal when it hits Adelaide in 2020.

I don't watch rugby but I will be there.

 

[Crow till I die]

I am just wondering what time today the AFL.com.au website is changed to VFL.com.au to better reflect the competition

 

[Wood_Duck]

At the very least make the home Victorian team spend the 2 days prior the grand final stuck in a hotel room.

 

[amer]

I don't watch rugby but I will be there.

This.

Ditto.

 

[pjcrows]

I am just wondering what time today the AFL.com.au website is changed to VFL.com.au to better reflect the competition

More like VFL.vic.gov.au

 

[Geoffa32]

I am just wondering what time today the AFL.com.au website is changed to VFL.com.au to better reflect the competition

I have a Crows retro hat that has our old logo on it and as well as the VFL logo. A mistake as we joined in 1991 after the name change. I love our old logo but that inaccuracy bugs me.

I might wear it more often to better reflect the true nature of the league.



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[jackster83]

I'm happy to play at the ground that gives me the best chance to see my team play, which is the MCG. The infrastructure of Melbourne is such that it can handle the pressure of GF week, we can't.

We were allocated 15k tickets, which meant we had nearly 60k members who were unable to attend.

In what world is that the best chance to see our team play?

The current agreement sucks for all football supporters, even Victorians (apart from silver spoon corporate and AFL members).

 

[amer]

These things, piece by piece kill my passion for this game.

Every instance that shows how we are viewed as an inconvenience to the VFL rather than one of 18 equal clubs just pushes me further toward the point where I eventually say "**** it, I'm spending too much of my life on a sport that doesn't want me" and walk away.

Yeah, we can be good enough to overcome the disadvantage of playing the GF at the MCG.
Yeah, we can hold onto some players despite there being a lot more opportunities to make extra money in Victoria.
Yeah, we can draft and recruit well despite other clubs having academies and reserving top-end talent regardless of where they finish.
But really if we win another flag it will be because the VFL decided to let us. If their attitude is that we should be thankful to be a part of their league then we're getting to a point where I say OK, bye.

The amount that is actually being lost to our game and our sport, having so much money available to invest, so many iconic lands and places and people we can bring our game to, and we choose to keep it a Melbourne suburban event.

Besides being unfair, it's desperately sad.

 

[ad victoriam]

We can't even get club supporters united against the GF at the MCG let alone the non-vic clubs.

There were plenty of posters here that bought into the "tradition" or largest ground argument. Okay, just don't complain about not winning many flags...

Basically its a battle we will not win, AFL made a deal which include a shit load of money being spent by the Vic government for upgrading the MCG and Docklands. Done deal.

What we should be concentrating on is winning the other battles, The ones that are winnable. ie better access, better ticket allocation, better Time slots that allow us to travel home on the same day when playing interstate games. And as someone mention resizing the MCG to the home side specifications.
We should be helping Geelong get 11 home games. What would have happened if Geelong played that final on their Home deck against Richmond?
Pushing for the AFL to get another boutique ground, Push the AFL for 3 Games min at the MCG, as it is new rules mean the AFL has to move some of the Vic based clubs away from the MCG. 6 interstate teams plus Geelong = 14 games. 3 game min = 21 games. Add to that the non-MCG tenants and the MCG become full after all they will struggle to play more than 2 games a week at the MCG
Football will always be stronger in Victoria. What we should be doing is diluting the need for every Vic club to play at the MCG.
Push to make the MCG more neutral.
Great Leaders Don't expend energy to fight a battle they cannot win, they spend their energy in manipulating the result to there advantage.

He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot will be victorious. Sun Tzu the art of War

 

[amer]

And have even less of a chance to get to one ??

Yeah I'll use my brain ****head

Ah yeah. Be marginalised, disadvantaged, treated like outsiders and kicked on home.

Long as you're a bit better chance to watch it happen. You, individually.

We don't have our start-up concessions anymore son.

 

[JP Sauce]

The most malignant football journalist in this state by FAR is a rusted-on Port Adelaide supporter who has meddled in things like suspensions and father-son rules, among literally hundreds of other things he’s said, written and done to the benefit of Port and the detriment of Adelaide, over a period of decades.

Theyre getting worked up over a chick who is not even a football reporter, has been in the media five minutes, and was seen wearing a Crows scarf once.

Maybe they just like the "funny" labels.

Crowvertiser. 5 Double Crow. Channel Crowven.

Coca-Crowla. Crowpple. Microwsoft. Fun times!

 

[jaytex]

Me too. Yes, the league is Vic-centric but it's not hard to see why. The VFL was the strongest league in the country with the biggest crowds and the most money. There is no other state that could support the number of teams that Victoria still does. So that's where the power lies. There are many frustrating consequences of that but playing the Grand Final at one of the world's great sports stadiums is not one of them for me.

This whole home ground advantage is being overstated with regards to the MCG. You'd have to think MCG is less of an advantage to the Vic teams on GF day than AO would be to us, or Perth would be for the WA teams. Arguably it hasn't shown to be any advantage. Since 1990 there's been 16 Vic vs non-Vic grand finals. That 'fundamental home ground advantage' as someone called it has resulted in 8 wins apiece.

Moreover, with all the GF day corporate stuff (which isn't going away no matter how much we want it to) the MCG's capacity means more regular supporters get to see the game. How many tickets will the clubs get allocated at an AO Grand Final?

I really appreciate it when someone like yourself puts into words what my brain is currently only able to express via a giant "oh FFS"

 

[Niximus]

Me too. Yes, the league is Vic-centric but it's not hard to see why. The VFL was the strongest league in the country with the biggest crowds and the most money. There is no other state that could support the number of teams that Victoria still does. So that's where the power lies. There are many frustrating consequences of that but playing the Grand Final at one of the world's great sports stadiums is not one of them for me.

This whole home ground advantage is being overstated with regards to the MCG. You'd have to think MCG is less of an advantage to the Vic teams on GF day than AO would be to us, or Perth would be for the WA teams. Arguably it hasn't shown to be any advantage. Since 1990 there's been 16 Vic vs non-Vic grand finals. That 'fundamental home ground advantage' as someone called it has resulted in 8 wins apiece.

Moreover, with all the GF day corporate stuff (which isn't going away no matter how much we want it to) the MCG's capacity means more regular supporters get to see the game. How many tickets will the clubs get allocated at an AO Grand Final?

How many of those 8 non-vic sides that won had list or salary cap concession? How many of the Vic sides did?

 

[displacedaussie]

Speaking of names...

Aidyn comes from the Gaelic Aedan. The traditional Irish spelling is Aidin.
Hamish is the Gaelic form of James.
Dougal is an Irish name from the Gaelic Dubhgall.
Willem is a Germanic/Dutch name and can be considered the Dutch equivalent of William.

Elspeth, a Scottish variant of Elizabeth, is an excellent name.

Thankfully not everybody has to be called Tom or Jack.

 

[Niximus]

Basically its a battle we will not win, AFL made a deal which include a shit load of money being spent by the Vic government for upgrading the MCG and Docklands. Done deal.

What we should be concentrating on is winning the other battles, The ones that are winnable. ie better access, better ticket allocation, better Time slots that allow us to travel home on the same day when playing interstate games. And as someone mention resizing the MCG to the home side specifications.
We should be helping Geelong get 11 home games. What would have happened if Geelong played that final on their Home deck against Richmond?
Pushing for the AFL to get another boutique ground, Push the AFL for 3 Games min at the MCG, as it is new rules mean the AFL has to move some of the Vic based clubs away from the MCG. 6 interstate teams plus Geelong = 14 games. 3 game min = 21 games. Add to that the non-MCG tenants and the MCG become full after all they will struggle to play more than 2 games a week at the MCG
Football will always be stronger in Victoria. What we should be doing is diluting the need for every Vic club to play at the MCG.
Push to make the MCG more neutral.
Great Leaders Don't expend energy to fight a battle they cannot win, they spend their energy in manipulating the result to there advantage.

He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot will be victorious. Sun Tzu the art of War

We may not be able to win, but we can't fail to put up any resistance.

Do nothing and that is the baseline position that any future decisions are made from. Even if the AFL decided to make everything else even and fair they would be doing it from a position where we're already disadvantaged. We need to keep everyone aware that that is the case, it can't be allowed to be accepted as just how things are.

 

[amer]

How many of those 8 non-vic sides that won had list or salary cap concession? How many of the Vic sides did?

Ricciuto, McLeod, Hart, Rehn, Bickley, basically all of our key instigators in those premierships were secured either through priority listing or trading with currency given to us through start-up concessions.

We do not win either of those premierships without those start up concessions.

And we haven't won one since.

 

[Cleric]

I'm happy to play at the ground that gives me the best chance to see my team play, which is the MCG. The infrastructure of Melbourne is such that it can handle the pressure of GF week, we can't.

Rubbish we couldnt handle a GF here. We have sold out games at AO all the time and we handle it. We have a tour down under and supercars run around around the city streets, so im sure we can handle a player parade thats the size of our xmas pageant.

 

[Vader]

This big stadium thing probably has the other states screwed.
I thought the stadium they held the 2000 Olympic Games at held 100k? Or very close.

It did, but it was reconfigured after the Olympics, to hold 80k. Now the NSW Govt is talking about tearing it down and replacing it with something smaller again. They're also looking at replacing the Sydney Football Stadium at the same time (the Rugby League/Union stadium next to the SCG). The NSW premier is very strong on this... the rest of the party thinks it's likely to lose them the next election.

Sydney & GWS have both stopped playing at the Olympic Stadium. I'm not even sure if GWS ever played there. Sydney hated playing there, and have a strong preference for playing all of their home games at the SCG.

Other than the MCG, the largest stadium used regularly for AFL these days is the new Burswood Stadium in Perth. It holds 60k, which is a massive drop on the MCG's 100k.

 

[PrideOf]

It's clear we won't win an argument against the VFL basing the GF of the entire competition at home.

So we have to push for a GF parade in each team's city in GF week. None of this "but the GF parade has to be in Melbourne."

****. That.

So in 2017, we have a parade in Adelaide, and GF breakfasts, on Wed-Thurs. Richmond have to come to Adelaide for a couple of days.

Then we both go to Melbourne for their GF parade and breakfasts.

We're never going to win the war against stopping Victorian teams playing the GF at their home ground (or their home city), so let's at least get the ****ers to spend a couple of days on the road to even it up just a little bit.

 

[Pea Nut]

I don't watch rugby but I will be there.

I guarantee you will be impressed as well !! I have lived in Queensland for quite a few years now, and it's the only 3 games of Rugby League that I watch. The rivalry between Qld and NSW makes "traditional AFL rivalries" look completely meaningless. The NRL know that the origin is their big ticket item and are smart enough to realise that they need to take this interstate. They don't seem to do much else right, but this is a smart move.

 

[WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot]

Getting a little desperate...

Well I guess we need to ignore anything negative Tredrea and Abernathy ever say about the Crows then. I'm sure the Crows job pays so well that she can afford to throw away her television reporting career.

 

[Doctor B]

Heard a bit of Eddie McGuire this morning.
The extension of the GF at the MCG lets the MCC gain non government funding to rebuild the Great Southern Stand, and lets face it the GF has been at the MCG since day dot of footy so whats the problem?
When Waverly Park was sold the interstate teams were given an even percentage distribution of funds when it had nothing to do with them, but when Footy Park was sold the money stayed in SA so swings and roundabouts.