Prediction 2018 trade hypothetical thread

[citizen-erased]

Fogarty slid because he didn’t go on in his draft year like people thought, didn’t make a move into the midfield like people predicted the year before, and was rubbish during champs possibly because of a knee complaint and because his position at afl level was somewhat undefined.

There was also a lot of flight risk talk.
Clubs have been, mostly, going safe in the top 10 of late.
Stephenson was a potential number 1 candidate too prior to his heart thing coming out.

All comes down to how clubs will judge Lukosius' attitude to playing outside SA.
He may be a clear #1, but a clear #1 that is going to walk out 2 or 3 years later to go home is not worth the hassle.
I'd rather go a pick 2 or 3 option that is likely to stay than the clear cut best player who may leave before he even gets going.

 

[bird_man]

Mmmm

On face value yeah it’s an even swap. saints should finish low again next year so it’s probably a good swap and on the proviso it was assumed Thomas was going to be bid on with a pick before north’s pick then it makes sense to move their early pick.

A couple of problems, at this stage it’s not a given Thomas goes before their pick, it’s close. Also they would want something for this year to make up points for Thomas. Picks in 60’s don’t mean anything. Their 2nd round pick will be wiped out by a Thomas bid and having picks in the 60’s innthis drsft wouldnt be appealing. Would imagine they would want some mid draft picks to keep them in it. Whether that comes in a deal for that early pick or for another player from their roster I don’t know.

The three third round picks add up to 326 points, equivalent to 46. It's not a lot but it's something to add to the Thomas points. It's another 50% roughly added onto their second round pick

The incentive would be more about the fact that instead of using a first round pick on Thomas they get to keep one for next year.

The fact that you believe we will likely finish low again next year already makes it a decent deal for North IMO so I wouldn't be throwing anything more in. I just like the idea of having two first round picks in this draft.

 

[Turbocat]

10 game 24 year old player and a mid to late 2nd for a 26 year old player who will be 2 x AA and 1 x AA squad by the end of this season, you'd be making out like bandits.

For a start we dont not have a R2 this year.. so its next years pick... ..and thats restricts what we may want to do as far as trading or R1. I guess we could trade one in..if we had to. To be frank id think WC would be silly to not make some sort of side deal to get the extra pick from the afl into the calculation

 

[Groin guru]

Its a hypothetical thread maybe read the title, All the players in the op are contracted which their clubs rate also

It's quite simple.

Mason is injury prone but they haven't been at the level of continual knee reco's. It's short sighted to only mention injiries as to why he hasn't been playing. He was developing in a team that favoured selecting brown, waite, and petrie for obvious reasons. Before that there was black who had 1 solid year. Mason has shown glimpses of being a star - people see that potential and it drives up the price vs. Current output. He's coming into his prime years now.

But that was one big pointless post as you're a troll simply trying to rustle some jimmies vs. Having a legit discussion

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

St Kilda give 2019 first round pick, 57, 65, 64
North give pick 2018 first round pick, 2019 fourth round pick

Those later picks mean stuff all really because they won't want their first pick being ~60
I imagine they'll want to do what Brisbane done a few years back and group some picks around 30 so they can get an earlier pick in.
I would be hoping Carlton offer our future first and ~28 for North's first if they can't trade it and Thomas gets a bid before hand.

Just on live trading, if North take the chance that Thomas doesn't get a bid before their pick and take it to the draft. Can they than trade the pick if he is selected before it?
Eg. North take pick 10 to the draft and Thomas is bid on at 9. Before agreeing to take Thomas can they trade pick 10 for later and future picks.

 

[philthy05]

He was developing in a team that favoured selecting brown, waite, and petrie for obvious reasons. Before that there was black who had 1 solid year.

Wait did you just say he was being held out of the side by brown Waite and Petrie???

Petrie that hasn’t played for north since 2016? The Jarrad Waite that has only played 33 out of 55 possible games the last 2 and a half seasons?

You should be a comedian cause I haven’t laughed that hard in a while.

 

[philthy05]

Just on live trading, if North take the chance that Thomas doesn't get a bid before their pick and take it to the draft. Can they than trade the pick if he is selected before it?
Eg. North take pick 10 to the draft and Thomas is bid on at 9. Before agreeing to take Thomas can they trade pick 10 for later and future picks.

I don’t know about that. They may not have made a decision on that yet or we may not have seen that decision. Anyone know?

 

[Suma Magic]

I don’t know about that. They may not have made a decision on that yet or we may not have seen that decision. Anyone know?

No decision made.

I guess they will say you can't trade after a bid has been made.

But if a club is going to bid, they may be motivated to let North know. And try to get a good trade deal in exchange for not bidding.

e.g. a team has pick 9 and they say to north that they can either:
- bid on Thomas, which north wouldn't want
or
- offer to swap pick 9 for pick 10 and an upgrade on a later pick.

or the team says they will bid regardless. and alert north so they can trade out pick 10 for later picks. to build good will or in the hope that north might deal with them in the exchange.

Heaps of potential scenarios I suppose.

 

[THE_GUN]

It's quite simple.

Mason is injury prone but they haven't been at the level of continual knee reco's. It's short sighted to only mention injiries as to why he hasn't been playing. He was developing in a team that favoured selecting brown, waite, and petrie for obvious reasons. Before that there was black who had 1 solid year. Mason has shown glimpses of being a star - people see that potential and it drives up the price vs. Current output. He's coming into his prime years now.

But that was one big pointless post as you're a troll simply trying to rustle some jimmies vs. Having a legit discussion

Thats hardly a good reason but more of an excuse
When you talk injuries if Wood's injuries have been so bad that Menzel has been able to get on the park more considering 4 reconstructions then there is a bigger issue with soft tissue and at an early stage in his football life having these problems only indicates that these issue's will just get worse as he gets older so his longevity in the game at the top level would seriously be questioned.

If he has been developing in a team and was behind an ageing Petrie who got delisted yet couldnt get a game over a 35 year old waite as well as being behind another list clogger in Black which still cant get a decent run at his 2nd club then you would need to question his ability to maintain a high level of output.

So far we are looking at a "nearly" 25 year old injury prone player thats played 31 games and is very hit and miss, If you look carefully at the comparison of Menzel you could clearly see that his output is well below menzel's , Now if you were to be given an option of say Menzel for a contract of $250k x 3 year for no trade and $250k x 3 years for Wood couldnt possibly see any club giving up a pick below #50 for Wood based on what he has done so far and his ability to remain on the park. Potential is great but at this age that runs extremely thin.

Another thing to consider is that Next year wood becomes a free agent so this would also effect his worth to a potential club which would consider just waiting and see how he goes and just make a deal next year without having to trade.

I would argue that this year his value would have to be #50+

 

[Groin guru]

Wait did you just say he was being held out of the side by brown Waite and Petrie???

Petrie that hasn’t played for north since 2016? The Jarrad Waite that has only played 33 out of 55 possible games the last 2 and a half seasons?

You should be a comedian cause I haven’t laughed that hard in a while.

You do realise Wood was drafted more than 2 years ago right?

 

[THE_GUN]

You do realise Wood was drafted more than 2 years ago right?

Your website states 2012 at #41 - Whats your point

 

[Groin guru]

Thats hardly a good reason but more of an excuse
When you talk injuries if Wood's injuries have been so bad that Menzel has been able to get on the park more considering 4 reconstructions then there is a bigger issue with soft tissue and at an early stage in his football life having these problems only indicates that these issue's will just get worse as he gets older so his longevity in the game at the top level would seriously be questioned.

If he has been developing in a team and was behind an ageing Petrie who got delisted yet couldnt get a game over a 35 year old waite as well as being behind another list clogger in Black which still cant get a decent run at his 2nd club then you would need to question his ability to maintain a high level of output.

So far we are looking at a "nearly" 25 year old injury prone player thats played 31 games and is very hit and miss, If you look carefully at the comparison of Menzel you could clearly see that his output is well below menzel's , Now if you were to be given an option of say Menzel for a contract of $250k x 3 year for no trade and $250k x 3 years for Wood couldnt possibly see any club giving up a pick below #50 for Wood based on what he has done so far and his ability to remain on the park. Potential is great but at this age that runs extremely thin.

Another thing to consider is that Next year wood becomes a free agent so this would also effect his worth to a potential club which would consider just waiting and see how he goes and just make a deal next year without having to trade.

I would argue that this year his value would have to be #50+

#50+ lol.

You do realise Sydney offered wood 500k for 4 years bit he instead chose to stay at North.

Your opinion regarding waite's age is irrelevant. When fit he's a handful. Ask adelaide last year. Richmond in the final. Gws this year.

Black had 1 good year and injured his shooulder the year after. Wood was injured during the time of that injury so couldn't step in for black. Black continued to play injured.

Wood was never taking petrie's spot.

 

[THE_GUN]

#50+ lol.

You do realise Sydney offered wood 500k for 4 years bit he instead chose to stay at North.

Your opinion regarding waite's age is irrelevant. When fit he's a handful. Ask adelaide last year. Richmond in the final. Gws this year.

Black had 1 good year and injured his shooulder the year after. Wood was injured during the time of that injury so couldn't step in for black. Black continued to play injured.

Wood was never taking petrie's spot.

When did the swand offer him $500k ????

Link

You were the one that mentioned Petrie,Black,Waite as being the reason for wood opportunities ??

 

[philthy05]

You do realise Wood was drafted more than 2 years ago right?

Yeah

So how have brown Petrie and Waite held wood out of the team as you stated ?

When Petrie hasn’t played since 2016 and Waite has missed a few games ?

 

[THE_GUN]

Im still waiting for the link that the swans offered Wood $500k a year

Tippett,Franklin,Heeney,Mills,Reid,Kennedy,Parker all on good coin and they had to let mitchell & Mummy go due to cap space but some how found $500k to offer Mason Wood

 

[Benj7]

Im still waiting for the link that the swans offered Wood $500k a year

Tippett,Franklin,Heeney,Mills,Reid,Kennedy,Parker all on good coin and they had to let mitchell & Mummy go due to cap space but some how found $500k to offer Mason Wood

[URL]http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-13/swans-out-to-snare-north-young-gun-mason-wood[/URL]

 

[THE_GUN]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-13/swans-out-to-snare-north-young-gun-mason-wood


http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-13/swans-out-to-snare-north-young-gun-mason-wood
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-13/swans-out-to-snare-north-young-gun-mason-wood

Damien Barrett LOL - Your supporters have very high opinion about his reporting rubbish and is the least credible of all the jurno's

Yeah and the same site says 'It is believed that Lynch will get offers of $2 million"
2016 the cola removed and bursting cap the swans were in all sorts of strife and off loaded Mitchell and Mummy as well as stating that with the cola removed they may have to go into a season a player short.

 

[philthy05]

http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-13/swans-out-to-snare-north-young-gun-mason-wood
http://m.afl.com.au/news/2016-07-13/swans-out-to-snare-north-young-gun-mason-wood

“It is believed” and “up to $500000” are about as speculative as a journalist can get.
Also an apparent bid by Sydney in 2016 doesn’t really mean shit all if wood hasn’t done much since.

 

[Benj7]

“It is believed” and “up to $500000” are about as speculative as a journalist can get.
Also an apparent bid by Sydney in 2016 doesn’t really mean shit all if wood hasn’t done much since.

Mate I’m just providing the article no one really knows what afl players get paid.

Damien Barrett LOL - Your supporters have very high opinion about his reporting rubbish and is the least credible of all the jurno's

Yeah and the same site says 'It is believed that Lynch will get offers of $2 million"
2016 the cola removed and bursting cap the swans were in all sorts of strife and off loaded Mitchell and Mummy as well as stating that with the cola removed they may have to go into a season a player short.

Just provided an article mate ahhaha Ddint really look who it was written by.

 

[perplexed]

Damien Barrett LOL - Your supporters have very high opinion about his reporting rubbish and is the least credible of all the jurno's

Yeah and the same site says 'It is believed that Lynch will get offers of $2 million"
2016 the cola removed and bursting cap the swans were in all sorts of strife and off loaded Mitchell and Mummy as well as stating that with the cola removed they may have to go into a season a player short.

You seem to have worked yourself into quite a state over a contracted fringe player who is valued by his club.
This is a hypothetical trade thread. Are you proposing a trade, if so what is it?
Or has your North obsession finally taken over and you've started trolling yourself?

 

[jakefooty23]

North: trade current 4th round (pick 54) for Richmond's Shai Bolton

GWS: trade current 1st and 2nd round (picks 8 and 24) for North's Preuss and first round pick (pick 13)

North: trade current 1st round (pick 8) for Freomantle's Adam Cerra

Geelong: trade tim kelly and 1st round (pick 14) for Freomantle's pick 8.

Lol, no way your getting a contracted pick 5 from last year's draft for pick 8.. Keep dreaming

 

[adammania9]

Jeff Garlett to Collingwood for a charity pick

 

[Benj7]

Lol, no way your getting a contracted pick 5 from last year's draft for pick 8.. Keep dreaming

What is he worth pick 5? You would be dreaming if so in this draft. Also if he chooses to leave you don’t really have the upper hand in the bargaining department. FYI Walsh,rankine,kingx2,lukosius and hill are personally better prospects.

 

[Savage Kent]

Saints: 2019 1st round pick + Dunstan to Port for Wines + Drew

 

[THE_GUN]

You seem to have worked yourself into quite a state over a contracted fringe player who is valued by his club.
This is a hypothetical trade thread. Are you proposing a trade, if so what is it?
Or has your North obsession finally taken over and you've started trolling yourself?

Not really, He wouldnt suit the richmond game style but looking at the OP hypothetical trades of other clubs player and how under valued they are just like to see what their opinions are on player that has been on the list for 6 years to see how delusional their thoughts were