List Mgmt. 2019 Draft Thread

[sammm]

If they were to change father/son eligibiity to 70 games we could pick up Anderson and Young, both as well ss Voss etc.

if that happens knowing our luck they will do it when all ex saints saints players only have played 50 games

 

[The_Snake26]

If they were to change father/son eligibiity to 70 games we could pick up Anderson and Young, both as well ss Voss etc.

Dean only played 67 games for us tho. He played 88 for hawks. We’d need them to shift it to 50!

 

[The_Snake26]

Anderson will be bid on at no later than pick 2, which needs 2014 points to match. Pick 4 (which we currently hold) is 2034 points, which means it turns into pick 72. Sure, we get Anderson, but given our lack of second and third rounders, maybe we could do more at the trade and draft table with the extra priority pick - we could have pick 4 and 5 or more likely pick 4 and 11 or 20.

Although as I reflect on it, if we were given that access, the above reasoning means that we'd be better off trading pick 4 for a gun player, or for a several lower picks - say GWS' two first rounders (as they have access to Green so want to move up to a pick above where he'd be bid). The maths on that depends whether those picks would similarly get wiped out by an Anderson bid.

Still, Anderson and a big trade in for pick 4 would be a nice haul.

Anderson’s not a father son tho so i assume you’re doing this with hypothetical that the AFL changed the rules?
If they did and allowed him to become eligible under father/son then we would get a 20% discount which would put the required points under the value allocated to pick 4. Also our second pick sits at around 57 i think. If we could get Anderson but our pick moved from 57 to 72 you would still do it!

 

[saintbatty]

Anderson’s not a father son tho so i assume you’re doing this with hypothetical that the AFL changed the rules?
If they did and allowed him to become eligible under father/son then we would get a 20% discount which would put the required points under the value allocated to pick 4. Also our second pick sits at around 57 i think. If we could get Anderson but our pick moved from 57 to 72 you would still do it!

Yes, it was a response to a hypothetical that AFL relaxed the father son rules to give us a leg up. The 2034 cost includes the discount, so we'd effectively get Anderson at pick 4 - which is a win as he'll be gone at 2. But as I said, that actually opens up the incentive to trade pick 4.

What I also forgot was it also made Hawks eligible. Knowing our luck, he'd nominate Hawks and we'd get nothing out of the process.

So let's just get a priority pick and not worry it!

Edit: pick 57 doesn't move, pick 4 does. We'd get Anderson at pick 4 and be given pick 72 as "leftovers". So out next pick would still be 57.

 

[Impatient Saint]

The thing with GC is there are only two options: shut them down; or keep helping them out. It's the worst of both worlds if they're anchored to the bottom for another 10 years.

The AFL needs to think a bit smarter about equalisation.

Draft picks aren't enough. I think the right way to do it is to give teams more list spots the lower down the ladder they are.

I'd give the bottom side 10 extra list spots, down to 1 extra list spot in 9th. They can fill them the same way everyone else does, it just means they can take more shots. The Michael Jordan quote: "you miss 100% of the shots you don't take" - well, at the moment, the poor sides take just as many shots as everyone else. Give them a lot more shots and see what might happen.

This is good for a few reasons:

- It gives them more chances of a great player, lucking into a Rohan Marshall.
- It reduces the opportunity cost of each list spot, so they can take more speculative players and maybe get a Sydney Stack.
- It makes them less exposed to injuries - for instance, we could have had one more ruck running around this year just in case.
- It gives them more depth; if we had (say) Michael Barlow, Sam Gibson, Matty Wright, Alex Silvagni, Mitch Hibberd running around at Sandy, that would be a much more professional environment for kids to learn in.
- It leads to a bunch more player churn each year, because Brisbane at the end of this year would have their list shrink by 8 or so, they'd have to let go of some potentially decent players and other clubs could grab them.
- It adds 50 more list spots each year so that's 50 more players that get a chance of an AFL dream.

What about cash? The salary cap should increase by $100k per extra list spot used, and the AFL should fully fund that as part of equalisation. The quid pro quo is that the clubs have to use the spots.

A great idea, it has a lots of merit if clubs can afford it?

It's not just players salary that's 10 x extra players a club like GCS would have to cater for - player & family uplift, fitness, injury management, housing, paying previous club plus the extra staff required to manage them.

Perhaps the AFL could also increase their salary and football dept caps expeditinally?

 

[The_Snake26]

Yes, it was a response to a hypothetical that AFL relaxed the father son rules to give us a leg up. The 2034 cost includes the discount, so we'd effectively get Anderson at pick 4 - which is a win as he'll be gone at 2. But as I said, that actually opens up the incentive to trade pick 4.

What I also forgot was it also made Hawks eligible. Knowing our luck, he'd nominate Hawks and we'd get nothing out of the process.

So let's just get a priority pick and not worry it!

Edit: pick 57 doesn't move, pick 4 does. We'd get Anderson at pick 4 and be given pick 72 as "leftovers". So out next pick would still be 57.

I read it wrong!
Instead of a priority pick the AFL should give us access as a father son to him. That way no other club is affected and it would be a better sell from the saints to the league and then the league to the fans/media.
Knowing our luck he probably would nominate the hawks but his Dad is a board member so that would give us a leg up

 

[St Neil]

Yes, it was a response to a hypothetical that AFL relaxed the father son rules to give us a leg up. The 2034 cost includes the discount, so we'd effectively get Anderson at pick 4 - which is a win as he'll be gone at 2. But as I said, that actually opens up the incentive to trade pick 4.

What I also forgot was it also made Hawks eligible. Knowing our luck, he'd nominate Hawks and we'd get nothing out of the process.

So let's just get a priority pick and not worry it!

Edit: pick 57 doesn't move, pick 4 does. We'd get Anderson at pick 4 and be given pick 72 as "leftovers". So out next pick would still be 57.

But the AFL could give the father/son concession only to us as one-off for this year, meaning Anderson still remains ineligible for Hawthorn. And we would still have to convince the lad to nominate us as his club of choice.

This scenario does not involve priority picks and almost forces the club to trade-in additional draft picks this year so it can match the bid and still stay active in the draft.

If the AFL wanted to help us it’s a painless way to do it for most clubs. It only impacts the clubs who have the first and second pick in the draft (assuming Anderson is drafted at 1 or 2) and even then they have access to a gun player. And the club still has to pay close to market value for access to the player (with a 20% discount).

 

[bird_man]

The AFL aren't changing the rules for us. It would have the whole league shaking their heads, let's move on.

Melbourne will likely be sitting 17th after this round. That would give them Anderson in the draft. 12 months after making a prelim. Whilst we'll be stuck with another HBFer.

That's a kick in the guts.

 

[Mikka84]

The AFL aren't changing the rules for us. It would have the whole league shaking their heads, let's move on.

Melbourne will likely be sitting 17th after this round. That would give them Anderson in the draft. 12 months after making a prelim. Whilst we'll be stuck with another HBFer.

That's a kick in the guts.

Its been the best tank I've seen.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

still think they'll pass us on the ladder. Saints, Blues, Dees all on same points

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

I reckon the only way the GC is fixed is by removing players’ rights to agree where they are traded.

Controversial move that will most likely never happen but that’s the only way they get the quality senior players that they need.

That would offset the debacle of free agency for the smaller clubs too.
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Can genuinely see them going a different route and pushing out draftee contracts to 3 years. Maybe even 4 (for first rounders) to help GC retain young talent. Think GC would be happy with this, and other clubs get equal benefit so cant see too much push back.

AFLPA would hit the roof though ...

Its been the best tank I've seen.

Is the solution to fine them $500,000 for 'not tanking', and hand them band 1 compo for an above average player?

 

[bergholt]

Is the solution to fine them $500,000 for 'not tanking', and hand them band 1 compo for an slightly above average player?

I understand what you're saying about Frawley but he was AA a few years earlier, surely that has to bump up the compo under any sane system.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

well I'd like a top two pick sure, but I'd really like rats to get the team up and bring a bit of life to some of our young players that are currently playing with no flair or enjoyment.. that would be a lot better than getting a top 2 pick

 

[Enclosed_Animal]

I understand what you're saying about Frawley but he was AA a few years earlier, surely that has to bump up the compo under any sane system.

Was being a smart ass to some degree of course.

But surely Frawley is closer to the All Australian Tom Rockliff ‘end of first round’ compo, then the All Australian Goddard / Buddy / Lynch ‘first round’ compo.

I know there is more to the formula, but surely that was just a thinly veiled PP for Melbourne.

 

[bergholt]

Was being a smart ass to some degree of course.

But surely Frawley is closer to the All Australian Tom Rockliff ‘end of first round’ compo, then the All Australian Goddard / Buddy / Lynch ‘first round’ compo.

I know there is more to the formula, but surely that was just a thinly veiled PP for Melbourne.

Yeah, pretty much. But we'd expect them to do the same for us!

 

[bird_man]

Yeah, pretty much. But we'd expect them to do the same for us!

Band 1 compo for Newnes it is...

 

[Gosaints12]

Band 1 compo for Newnes it is...

They will as well. Great for us, but screws clubs like the Blues. I think we should just ask for a PP.

Still want a PP and band one for Nenwes, Anderson, Kemp and Stephens.

 

[bird_man]

They will as well. Great for us, but screws clubs like the Blues. I think we should just ask for a PP.

Still want a PP and band one for Nenwes, Anderson, Kemp and Stephens.

I was joking man. We aren't getting a band one for Newnes.

 

[Gosaints12]

I was joking man. We aren't getting a band one for Newnes.

Damn. Worse has happened.

 

[TheJackal]

Considering how messed up the draft is already thanks to academies, Thomas and Quaynor last year were first round free hits - I don't think it's too much to ask for a relaxation of the father-son rule to allow us to draft Noah Anderson.

We have had next to no hits with father sons or academy players, so using the criteria for unusual circumstances the AFL absolutely could give us priority access to Noah. Lets be honest they make up the rules as they go anyway and 'priority access' might be more palatable than a priority pick to other clubs.

God knows we need some help or else I'm seriously worried about our future.

 

[Mindtraveller]

Considering how messed up the draft is already thanks to academies, Thomas and Quaynor last year were first round free hits - I don't think it's too much to ask for a relaxation of the father-son rule to allow us to draft Noah Anderson.

We have had next to no hits with father sons or academy players, so using the criteria for unusual circumstances the AFL absolutely could give us priority access to Noah. Lets be honest they make up the rules as they go anyway and 'priority access' might be more palatable than a priority pick to other clubs.

God knows we need some help or else I'm seriously worried about our future.

Watch it get reduced and the hawks take him

 

[LeonardHayes87]

Even without a priority pick I’m bloody excited for next year for two reasons: Max King and Jack Bytel

I’m hearing the club think Bytel could be an absolute A grader

Add to that a pick 3-5 in this years draft and we’re starting to add some star factor to the list

 

[CaptainRisky]

Talking about Bytel does anyone know how he is tracking , i read on here he was doing the runner duties for Sandy , is he training and at what level

 

[gringo2011]

Watch it get reduced and the hawks take him

I heard them saying on SEN that th AFL want to make the rebuilds faster. Watch how we rebuild really slowly and they bring in priority picks just as Hawks and Geelong bottom out.

 

[stfan]

just as Hawks and Geelong bottom out.

Yes in two year time when their older lists start to bite