2019 Draft

[Cotchy9]

No one will touch ours as it will be pick #18 at best [emoji41][emoji123]

Could we do say this years and next years first rounders and move up the draft? What would two picks worth 18-19 get us? Maybe into a pick between 9-12?

 

[Marcel Proust]

Could we do say this years and next years first rounders and move up the draft? What would two picks worth 18-19 get us? Maybe into a pick between 9-12?

yeah its an intersting question. is it worth giving a first rounder to move up 10 spots?

maybe not. maybe if there is a player the club is high on. like Kemp or D Stephens?

Sam Landsberger and Jay Clark 1-13 yesterday:

Gold Coast 1. Matt Rowell (Oakleigh Chargers, 180cm midfielder)
Gold Coast 2. Noah Anderson (Oakleigh Chargers, 191cm midfield-forward)
Melbourne 3. Luke Jackson (East Fremantle, 199cm ruckman)
GWS 4. Lachie Ash (Murray Bushrangers, 186cm halfback)
GWS 5. Tom Green* (GWS academy, 191cm midfielder)
Sydney 6. Sam Flanders (Gippsland Power, 182cm midfielder)
Adelaide 7. Fischer McAsey (Sandringham Dragons, 197cm defender)
Fremantle 8. Hayden Young (Dandenong Stingrays, 188cm halfback)
Melbourne 9. Demons will trade this pick to another club
Carlton 10. Caleb Serong (Gippsland Power, 179cm midfield-forward)
Fremantle 11. Deven Robertson (Perth, 184cm midfielder)
Hawthorn 12. Brodie Kemp (Bendigo Pioneers, 193cm defender)
Port Adelaide 13. Dylan Stephens (Norwood, 183cm midfielder)
Western Bulldogs 14. Miles Bergman (Sandringham Dragons, 189cm utility)
*GWS matches Sydney’s bid for Green, pushing the order back one

 

[Cotchy9]

yeah its an intersting question. is it worth giving a first rounder to move up 10 spots?

maybe not. maybe if there is a player the club is high on. like Kemp or D Stephens?

Sam Landsberger and Jay Clark 1-13 yesterday:

Gold Coast 1. Matt Rowell (Oakleigh Chargers, 180cm midfielder)
Gold Coast 2. Noah Anderson (Oakleigh Chargers, 191cm midfield-forward)
Melbourne 3. Luke Jackson (East Fremantle, 199cm ruckman)
GWS 4. Lachie Ash (Murray Bushrangers, 186cm halfback)
GWS 5. Tom Green* (GWS academy, 191cm midfielder)
Sydney 6. Sam Flanders (Gippsland Power, 182cm midfielder)
Adelaide 7. Fischer McAsey (Sandringham Dragons, 197cm defender)
Fremantle 8. Hayden Young (Dandenong Stingrays, 188cm halfback)
Melbourne 9. Demons will trade this pick to another club
Carlton 10. Caleb Serong (Gippsland Power, 179cm midfield-forward)
Fremantle 11. Deven Robertson (Perth, 184cm midfielder)
Hawthorn 12. Brodie Kemp (Bendigo Pioneers, 193cm defender)
Port Adelaide 13. Dylan Stephens (Norwood, 183cm midfielder)
Western Bulldogs 14. Miles Bergman (Sandringham Dragons, 189cm utility)
*GWS matches Sydney’s bid for Green, pushing the order back one

I’d trade this years and next years first for McAsey, Kemp, Serong etc

Alternatively. Let’s say we pick Rivers at 19. It gets to pick 25 and someone we love is still on the board like say a Cooper Stephens, could trade out next years first for that player as well

 

[Marcel Proust]

I’d trade this years and next years first for McAsey, Kemp, Serong etc

Alternatively. Let’s say we pick Rivers at 19. It gets to pick 25 and someone we love is still on the board like say a Cooper Stephens, could trade out next years first for that player as well

option 2 sounds pretty spicy

 

[Jozzy]

I’d trade this years and next years first for McAsey, Kemp, Serong etc

Alternatively. Let’s say we pick Rivers at 19. It gets to pick 25 and someone we love is still on the board like say a Cooper Stephens, could trade out next years first for that player as well

We’d be crazy to trade our 2020 first round pick for any pick after pick 20.

 

[Cotchy9]

We’d be crazy to trade our 2020 first round pick for any pick after pick 20.

Depends if there’s a slider though. And it’s sounding like it’s a heavily compromised draft next year so pick 18 could well drift out to 25 or so

 

[Marcel Proust]

We’d be crazy to trade our 2020 first round pick for any pick after pick 20.

Its a draft pool with a lot of academy and father son players, next season

Rivers and C Stephens sounds a good outcome ...

or perhaps a Robertson & Tahney type package

 

[Jozzy]

Its a draft pool with a lot of academy and father son players, next season

Rivers and C Stephens sounds a good outcome ...

or perhaps a Robertson & Tahney type package

I think people often over think the fact there’s so many potential academy/father son picks next year.

If clubs are so desperate to have the picks and draft points to bring in these players shouldn’t that make a first round pick even more valuable.

The Giants, Dees, Port, Saints and West Coast have all already traded away their first round selection for next year. If any of these clubs have a highly touted academy player or if any other club ends up with multiple early sections they’ll all of a sudden come knocking.

 

[Phar Ace]

I’d trade this years and next years first for McAsey, Kemp, Serong etc

Alternatively. Let’s say we pick Rivers at 19. It gets to pick 25 and someone we love is still on the board like say a Cooper Stephens, could trade out next years first for that player as well

The problem with this market option is there are many looking to go up the draft, and strangely, so few wanting to go down in the draft. Laws of supply and demand strike again!

 

[4tune8]

I think people often over think the fact there’s so many potential academy/father son picks next year.

If clubs are so desperate to have the picks and draft points to bring in these players shouldn’t that make a first round pick even more valuable.

The Giants, Dees, Port, Saints and West Coast have all already traded away their first round selection for next year. If any of these clubs have a highly touted academy player or if any other club ends up with multiple early sections they’ll all of a sudden come knocking.

This is exactly what I'm thinking....We have kept our options open for next year, maybe there's a crapload of players that are linked to Academies etc, but the rest of the draft is still open. If all of these other clubs are eliminating themselves from the 1st round then that makes our picks more valuable.

 

[Wrenny]

Rivers and C Stephens sounds a good outcome ...

This

 

[Wrenny]

2019 AFL Draft Preview: Richmond Tigers

November 21, 2019 by Michael Alvaro

THERE is seldom much any reigning premier needs to improve on, let alone this Richmond side after a redemptive 2019 campaign. Topping up depth for the future will likely be the go for the Tigers, with long-term replacements for some of their older premiership heroes perhaps on the agenda. They are set to come in at the end of the first round, and could be ripe for the picking in terms of live trades given their lack of a pressing need.

CURRENT PICKS: 19, 38, 39, 41, 56, 75, 77, 95

NOMINATED ACADEMY/FATHER-SONS: Nil.

LIST NEEDS:
Future squad depth

FIRST PICK OPTIONS:
Pick 19 throws up a few interesting options for the Tigers, with hardened and consistent products often favoured at Tigerland. Geelong Falcons co-captain Cooper Stephens looms as a prospect who would be fresh in the mind of recruiters after a solid national combine showing having missed most of the year through injury, with the inside midfielder a classy future replacement for the likes of Trent Cotchin. Larke Medallist Deven Roberston is another arguably more similar to the Cotchin mould but will likely be off the board at that stage, while Jay Rantall would be a good option if he bolts up the order. Will Gould is a player who loves the tough stuff and would be able to develop his athletic base while trying to break into the ones, while Trent Bianco is a very different half-back with elite kicking skills and leadership who could grow into the role of Bachar Houli.

LIVE TRADE OPTIONS:
Live trading may well come to Richmond more than the Tigers actively seek it out, but their package of picks 38, 39, and 41 could be used to move up into the late-20s if a slider is still on the board. Their hand of five picks past the 40-mark would also typically be a target of clubs looking to cover academy bids, but given the draft is not overly compromised at the top-end, that may not be so much of a query.

REMAINING CROP:
The Tigers can bring in some real midfield and outside class should they hold on to picks 38, 39, and 41, with Sandringham trio Hugo Ralphsmith, Jack Mahony, and Darcy Chirgwin around the mark, while Daniel Mott, Darcy Cassar, Sam Philp and Harry Schoenberg could also fall their way. All of them provide ball-finding ability, have good scope for the future, and have their own points of difference – which suits Richmonds current position. Elsewhere, a player like Louis Butler could be packaged with a Dragons teammate slightly later on, while the Tigers’ last few picks are anyone’s guess, with mature agers potentially coming into the fold.

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[4tune8]

2019 AFL Draft Preview: Richmond Tigers

November 21, 2019 by Michael Alvaro

THERE is seldom much any reigning premier needs to improve on, let alone this Richmond side after a redemptive 2019 campaign. Topping up depth for the future will likely be the go for the Tigers, with long-term replacements for some of their older premiership heroes perhaps on the agenda. They are set to come in at the end of the first round, and could be ripe for the picking in terms of live trades given their lack of a pressing need.

CURRENT PICKS: 19, 38, 39, 41, 56, 75, 77, 95

NOMINATED ACADEMY/FATHER-SONS: Nil.

LIST NEEDS:
Future squad depth

FIRST PICK OPTIONS:
Pick 19 throws up a few interesting options for the Tigers, with hardened and consistent products often favoured at Tigerland. Geelong Falcons co-captain Cooper Stephens looms as a prospect who would be fresh in the mind of recruiters after a solid national combine showing having missed most of the year through injury, with the inside midfielder a classy future replacement for the likes of Trent Cotchin. Larke Medallist Deven Roberston is another arguably more similar to the Cotchin mould but will likely be off the board at that stage, while Jay Rantall would be a good option if he bolts up the order. Will Gould is a player who loves the tough stuff and would be able to develop his athletic base while trying to break into the ones, while Trent Bianco is a very different half-back with elite kicking skills and leadership who could grow into the role of Bachar Houli.

LIVE TRADE OPTIONS:
Live trading may well come to Richmond more than the Tigers actively seek it out, but their package of picks 38, 39, and 41 could be used to move up into the late-20s if a slider is still on the board. Their hand of five picks past the 40-mark would also typically be a target of clubs looking to cover academy bids, but given the draft is not overly compromised at the top-end, that may not be so much of a query.

REMAINING CROP:
The Tigers can bring in some real midfield and outside class should they hold on to picks 38, 39, and 41, with Sandringham trio Hugo Ralphsmith, Jack Mahony, and Darcy Chirgwin around the mark, while Daniel Mott, Darcy Cassar, Sam Philp and Harry Schoenberg could also fall their way. All of them provide ball-finding ability, have good scope for the future, and have their own points of difference – which suits Richmonds current position. Elsewhere, a player like Louis Butler could be packaged with a Dragons teammate slightly later on, while the Tigers’ last few picks are anyone’s guess, with mature agers potentially coming into the fold.

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Not a bad analysis at all...but I think the article, whilst mentioning depth, has failed to address our needs with an up and coming KPD. For me Hilder is the stand out that will more than likely be available at 38-40

 

[Phar Ace]

Not a bad analysis at all...but I think the article, whilst mentioning depth, has failed to address our needs with an up and coming KPD. For me Hilder is the stand out that will more than likely be available at 38-40

Yep, he looks the perfect future replacement for Astbury, good size, agile, doesn't give up (great YoYo test at SA Combine). His marking skills are very good from the vision I have seen at Champs and at North Adelaide - he has poise and best of all gets to good spots in defense and fires off the ball to runners.

Draft Central says:

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "Hilder is a poised, composed key defender with outstanding ability to read the play and coordinate the rebound."

ONE of the South Australian Under-18 impressive rebounding defenders, Hilder showed at the National Championships he is capable of locking down key position types at either full-back or centre half-back, while providing rebound from the back fifty. Relatively late to football after being a junior soccer player, the North Adelaide player has shown consistent development over the last three years and pushed into the North Adelaide League side with three games this year. Hilder showed real poise and control with the ball-in-hand and also when the opposition are attacking the goals. Coupled with leadership as one of the vice captains for South Australia and some impressive National Draft Combine numbers for athleticism, Hilder has the scope to become a key defender for a decade in the Phil Davis mould.
STRENGTHS:
Marking, Positioning, Reading the play, Rebounding, Composure
IMPROVEMENTS:
Ground ball, Agility
At 195cm, Hilder is the right size to play key position. At the National Draft Combine, he also delivered personal bests in both the 20-metre sprint and the Yo-Yo test, and managed 6.38 in the 2km time trial. In the National Under-18 Championships, he was a key pillar in defence for SA (with Will Gould and Karl Finlay), and demonstrated an ability to read the incoming play and take contested defensive marks. It was then his composure to lead the rebound by linking up with team mates with hand or foot that stood out, and deservedly had him in the best players on a number of occasions. Hilder also has some versatility, playing in North Adelaide league pre-season trials as a midfielder, and also as a key forward and hitting the scoreboard, giving him a comparison to a Cale Hooker.
As a big man he will need to keep working on his ability below the knees to ensure that in defence he can be as effective as he is in the air on the ground, and in the post season has been working rigorously on his ground ball work. Also improving his agility will be important to allow him to get out of trouble at any location on the ground and then use his calm approach to execute the right option and becoming a more damaging player. Overall, Hilder has some great traits that will be adaptable to the next level and once he can develop those areas of improvement, he can progress to the next level and be just an influential at ground level as he is in the air. Given he tasted all three levels of SANFL football this year, Hilder is not too far off being able to compete at AFL level, and weighing in at more than 90kg, he is readymade to tackle opposition forwards.


I'd love to see Cooper Stephens, Dyson Hilder and Trey Ruscoe in our picks, and all are getable and could play in 2020 if called upon at some point as they are reasonably well developed, or hold them at VFL and school them well, especially as we have lost a few there at VFL level, these lads will step up well.

 

[Phar Ace]

And then there is this kid who could be very special - I hope we take him with a late one if he is still there - we can afford the risk!:

Class of 2019: Tough year fails to shake 'X-factor' forward's belief
Callum Twomey

AS THE Oakleigh Chargers roared towards their NAB League premiership win over the Eastern Ranges, Dylan Williams was watching the Grand Final from the sidelines at Ikon Park.

A year earlier, he was out there for the Chargers – that time in a hard-fought Grand Final loss to the Dandenong Stingrays.

That defeat was no fault of the 17-year-old Williams, who booted four goals as part of a dazzling finals series that saw him kick 14 goals and establish himself as one of the highly rated talents for the following year.

Williams celebrates one of his goals in the 2018 TAC Cup Grand Final.

Playing as a deep forward, the 185cm prospect took high grabs, created chances from nothing, was dangerous at ground level and nearly every opportunity he got around goal he converted. He kicked 26 goals from 16 games last season, proving himself as one to watch.

But Williams spent more time doing the watching than he would have hoped this year, making him one of the most fascinating players in this year's crop.

"I'm definitely frustrated. I had a pretty poor start to the year and then on top of that I had injuries in the middle and back-end of the year that held me out. Overall it was a pretty hard year," he told AFL.com.au.

The challenges started early. After struggling for form to begin the season, he received a knock to his leg in the first game for Vic Metro and then had a groin injury in the second game. He was limited to only two appearances in the carnival.

His championships, therefore, didn't reach the heights he had hoped for.

Following the Vic Metro carnival, Williams had another setback: a stress fracture in his back that saw him miss the final 10 weeks of the season, including Oakleigh's charge to the flag.

"They thought it was a muscular issue for a while, so I trained after I felt it and played the next week but I couldn't move," he said.

"I pushed through but then I said I thought it was something else, so I got a scan and I had the stress fracture.

"Initially I was told my season was over and we went to see a specialist and I hoped I could get back for the preliminary final or maybe the Grand Final.

"But two weeks before the Grand Final they said I was healing really well and it was better for my future to rule out a return and keep my rehab up."


It leaves Williams' draft position as a mystery. His talent is undoubted by recruiters, but they wanted to see him improve his endurance this year, run more and control games rather than dip in and out.

"I definitely have to work on it. With my back injury I've been doing a lot of rehab, so conditioning on the bike or swimming. I'm feeling the fittest I've ever been and the strongest I've ever been which is really good," he said.

"I've dropped 10 on my skinfolds since I've been in rehab so that's a result of working hard."

What Williams has is game-turning ability. Close to goal he can change a result – obvious earlier this year when, after three quiet quarters, he kicked three goals in the last term against Calder Cannons to win Oakleigh the game.

He has also spent time in the midfield, where he has impacted, and across half-back, where his vision and game sense helps sets up the play.

But after kicking more than 40 goals in the NAB League over the past two seasons, Williams is most proven in attack. He's aware of his flaws, but also believes in his tricks. He hopes clubs see and think the same.

"I think my point of difference is my X-factor," he said.

"I like the big moments and I like the pressure, when all eyes are on me and thinking 'Is he going to do it?' Or that pressure that they don't think I'm going to do it.

"I'm always still really confident in myself. At the start of the year I was playing badly but I always have the confidence that I'm the best player on the field when I'm there and I have game-winning ability."

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

The problem with this market option is there are many looking to go up the draft, and strangely, so few wanting to go down in the draft. Laws of supply and demand strike again!

Only up for us!

 

[smurfin]

Despite all that BF Posters say and outcomes of phantom drafts, there is still a real chance that injured players like Kemp, Cooper Stephens & Dylan Williams slide. Many clubs will be interested in immediate impact. Richmond more likely than most to play the long game.

 

[Cotchy9]

Despite all that BF Posters say and outcomes of phantom drafts, there is still a real chance that injured players like Kemp, Cooper Stephens & Dylan Williams slide. Many clubs will be interested in immediate impact. Richmond more likely than most to play the long game.

We never expected to get Higgo as late as we did. Not many thought RCD would be available last year either. What we need is clubs above us to pick a couple of players that are rated at 20+ and then hopefully a few slide through to our pick

 

[smurfin]

All these pick trades happening with clubs jumping up the order.
It's a bit like when there are roadworks and everyone mutually agrees to start merging way back except for some assholes who decide to go pass all the merging traffic and force their way in much further ahead.
And some weak prick always lets them in, instead of saying **** you and locking them out in no-mans land.

It can get really frustrating, but sometimes you are the RFC, with the sunroof open, good tunes playing and not really fussed about what pricks and assholes are doing ahead of you, just happy enough with where you are and in no desperate hurry

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Despite all that BF Posters say and outcomes of phantom drafts, there is still a real chance that injured players like Kemp, Cooper Stephens & Dylan Williams slide. Many clubs will be interested in immediate impact. Richmond more likely than most to play the long game.

That is the question in this year's Draft period...draft for immediated impact?!? or allow for development/re-hab?!? Interesting!
I reckon given where GFC/CScott are at the moment it will be for immediate impact with their drafting...to cover for Kelly leaving...

 

[GoTigers2015]

Reckon the guy that does Richmond picks in the Mock Draft is trolling us



Pick 21 and 41 traded to Norf for 29 and 32
Pick 39 and future 2nd round pick for Sydney's 27 and 44
Overall traded 3 out of first 4 picks ( 21, 39, 41) and future second for 27, 29, 32 and 44

Pick 27 - Dylan Williams (still available - Ellijah Taylor, Jay Rantall, Cooper Stephens)
Pick 29 - Nick Bryant (still available - Jay Rantall, Cooper Stephens, Sam Phipp, Mitch O'Neill)
Pick 33 - Dyson Hilder (still available Cooper Stephens, Sam Phipp, Mitch O'Neill, Mitch Georgiades)

 

[tigs2010]

Reckon the guy that does Richmond picks in the Mock Draft is trolling us



Pick 21 and 41 traded to Norf for 29 and 32
Pick 39 and future 2nd round pick for Sydney's 27 and 44
Overall traded 3 out of first 4 picks ( 21, 39, 41) and future second for 27, 29, 32 and 44

Pick 27 - Dylan Williams (still available - Ellijah Taylor, Jay Rantall, Cooper Stephens)
Pick 29 - Nick Bryant (still available - Jay Rantall, Cooper Stephens, Sam Phipp, Mitch O'Neill)
Pick 33 - Dyson Hilder (still available Cooper Stephens, Sam Phipp, Mitch O'Neill, Mitch Georgiades)

That first trade is horrific lol

 

[Dr Tigris]

This is exactly what I'm thinking....We have kept our options open for next year, maybe there's a crapload of players that are linked to Academies etc, but the rest of the draft is still open. If all of these other clubs are eliminating themselves from the 1st round then that makes our picks more valuable.

Next year is fascinating. So many aligned players means that it won't be like normal where clubs let them slide before picking them (then the aligned club matching).

Clubs will want their aligned players. which means that they want either very high or lower picks.
So there will be a stampede for top 5- 10 picks. And clubs trying to downgrade to round 2 - 3. Leaving the 2nd half of the first round ????
Then the non-aligned players are still good, but clubs might well be opting out because of their aligned players.
If we are smart we might be able to get our guy, and a few of the good non-aligned players through good trades.

Probably haven't ever had a year lie it. Clubs will be learning about how to navigate it as they go.

 

[TigerTime17]

Interesting ...... from the AFL site

The Giants face the sticky and complicated situation of going into the most significant Draft Value Index (DVI) deficit in the system's five years of existence, depending on where a bid is placed on their Academy gun Tom Green.Rival clubs believe local foes Sydney – who holds pick No.5 in next week's draft – is the most likely team to call Green's name on Wednesday night, which would force GWS to find 1502 DVI points to match the bid.
However, after that particular selection, the Giants currently hold picks No.40, 59, 60, 80 and 94 later in the draft. Collectively, that equates to just 733 DVI points.

It means that all of those picks would be shifted to the back end of the draft order, while the club would still need to find a further 769 DVI points the following season to match the bid for Green.

While the numbers can be confusing, the bottom line is that it could leave the Giants facing the daunting prospect of starting next year's player movement period without a single pick until the third or potentially even the fourth round of the 2020 national draft.

That is in part due to the complicating factor that GWS traded its 2020 first-round selection in a deal with Adelaide on Tuesday in an effort to snare pick No.4 and potentially leapfrog a bid on Green.

 

[Roksman]

Reckon the guy that does Richmond picks in the Mock Draft is trolling us



Pick 21 and 41 traded to Norf for 29 and 32
Pick 39 and future 2nd round pick for Sydney's 27 and 44
Overall traded 3 out of first 4 picks ( 21, 39, 41) and future second for 27, 29, 32 and 44

Pick 27 - Dylan Williams (still available - Ellijah Taylor, Jay Rantall, Cooper Stephens)
Pick 29 - Nick Bryant (still available - Jay Rantall, Cooper Stephens, Sam Phipp, Mitch O'Neill)
Pick 33 - Dyson Hilder (still available Cooper Stephens, Sam Phipp, Mitch O'Neill, Mitch Georgiades)

And I don't think there's a chance we'd trade our first pick if Trent Bianco was still on the board like he was in this phantom draft.