List Mgmt. 2019 List Management: Contracts, Trading, Drafting, Academy

[Pres]

I think Thommo’s papers were essentially stamped when we drafted Sam Taylor. Thommo was always difficult to find a place for in the team. He spent time forward, on the wing as a link man, a chop out in the ruck and a bit of time down back. He never really settled into a single role - that was until he moved permanently into the backline a few years ago - and statistically for over half a season, was the best one-on-one lock down defenders in the league. He really found his home down back.

Then we got Taylor (who I was surprised to find is 2cm taller) and who isn’t as versatile. With Taylor in that lock-down spot that Thommo was in, Thommo was once again left without an established set position. We have forwards who are better, we have wingers/linkmen who are better, we have chop-out rucks who are as adequate.

We also have others who are heart and soul / great clubmen.

I also found it interesting that although he played all but one game this year, I’m not sure he even cracked the top 20 in the Sheedy. He certainly didn’t appear in the top 5 in any round I can remember.

I love Thommo, and really wanted to keep him, but I’m just not sure where he would play, week to week.

I wish him all the very best in his new home.

10 games short of being a Life Member, he’ll always be a Giant.

Sums it up perfectly. Definitely lock down defender his best spot. Surely that's where Melbourne will utilise him?

 

[Brave New World]

Would it be reasonable to assume that all players would have by now received their end of season interviews, any players who wanted to leave would have expressed that desire and such fact would have become public?

 

[Giant Strides]

Would it be reasonable to assume that all players would have by now received their end of season interviews, any players who wanted to leave would have expressed that desire and such fact would have become public?

You would think so ... that's how we've seen it in the past. So, hopefully no-one really wanting out; but I suspect we may still have some tactical calls regarding the list.

EDIT: Noting that Tommy Sheridan & the 4 rookies (Mumford, Sproule, Stein & Jack Buckley) are all out of contract without any announcements being made yet and two of the latter will either need to be delisted or upgraded o the main list before the national draft.

 

[dlanod]

Mumford isn't out of contract by most reports, having hit a games trigger for a second year.

 

[Giant Strides]

Mumford isn't out of contract by most reports, having hit a games trigger for a second year.

Well, I'd argue that he's still out of contract, and that it's a contract extension that he's triggered. However, from the reports, he can accept the extension or not (and hence retire - again). Also, technically that could apply to others ... depending on what the trigger was - unlikely from what they each did in 2019.

Yes, I'm expecting him to go around in 2020, but consider it still needing to be confirmed.

 

[Danny88]

Great article in the land down under which quotes Tomlinson saying he can’t see Cameron playing anywhere else. Says that he is committed to the club which is great after this David king inspired rubbish on the dons chasing him

 

[dlanod]

Well, I'd argue that he's still out of contract, and that it's a contract extension that he's triggered. However, from the reports, he can accept the extension or not (and hence retire - again). Also, technically that could apply to others ... depending on what the trigger was - unlikely from what they each did in 2019.

Yes, I'm expecting him to go around in 2020, but consider it still needing to be confirmed.

He can retire but that's true of anyone under contract. The AFL doesn't allow triggers that rely on either player or club input so once it's triggered the extension is automatic. NDS was an exception back in the day (they mutually declined the extension) and I think they closed that loophole because it could be abused e.g. That was essentially a forced out by the Saints.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Your club should be getting front & centre in to this Daniher trade.

 

[Colonial]

Your club should be getting front & centre in to this Daniher trade.

Our cap says otherwise. We have increases to Whitfield and probably a slight increase to Jezza to cover.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Our cap says otherwise. We have increases to Whitfield and probably a slight increase to Jezza to cover.

Yeah, didn't think about that too deeply.

It's a pity, because he's the exact type of player that you badly need.

 

[OrangeDuck]

What are we going to do next year? We won't have our annual Adam Tomlinson is linked to X Victorian club articles. These are sad times.

 

[Colonial]

What are we going to do next year? We won't have our annual Adam Tomlinson is linked to X Victorian club articles. These are sad times.

I'm sure someone will pick up the ball and run with it.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

What are we going to do next year? We won't have our annual Adam Tomlinson is linked to X Victorian club articles. These are sad times.

Well it’s been Lachie Whitfield to Hawthorn every year for the past 5 so I can’t see that changing (he has a secret handshake deal with Clarko doncha know)

 

[JayJ20]

Bonar for pick 29?

Seems to be out of favour with your stacked midfield. We could use another big body.

 

[Giant Strides]

Bonar for pick 29?

Seems to be out of favour with your stacked midfield. We could use another big body.

Personally I wouldn't do that - it's actually pick 31 which I'd consider too low. Bonar, coming off his junior injury was always going to take time to get going and as you say it's a stacked midfield to break into.

If we trade him I'd prefer to use him in conjunction with one of our first round picks to go earlier in the order - better use of the points.

 

[JayJ20]

Personally I wouldn't do that - it's actually pick 31 which I'd consider too low. Bonar, coming off his junior injury was always going to take time to get going and as you say it's a stacked midfield to break into.

If we trade him I'd prefer to use him in conjunction with one of our first round picks to go earlier in the order - better use of the points.

Pick 31 is our pick. Pick 29 is Port's pick that I included in my hypothetical trade involving Fantasia.

If we land pick 9 in the Daniher trade, then maybe 12 + Bonar for 9? Would that do? I know it's only a 3 pick upgrade, but I imagine the points will be worth more. Or maybe not.

 

[Giant Strides]

Pick 31 is our pick. Pick 29 is Port's pick that I included in my hypothetical trade involving Fantasia.

If we land pick 9 in the Daniher trade, then maybe 12 + Bonar for 9? Would that do? I know it's only a 3 pick upgrade, but I imagine the points will be worth more. Or maybe not.

Ah, roger, wasn't thinking of a traded in pick. I'd still have it a bit low - early 20s would be the limit I'd take: I still think another year or two is worth waiting to see how he develops.

12 to 9 alone is only 200 points - around pick 55/56 so that alone would be a firm no. That would need a later pick like 31 included also IMHO. It doesn't reeally help us that much as 9 or 12 is paying for matching Green, and a pick that far back isn't replacing Bonar in my opinion.

12 and Bonar for 5 (if you got that) would work for us. That's only 610 points for Bonar - equivalent to pick 31 in points value - but gets us close to getting ahead of a Tom Green pick. I don't expect that Essendon would be keen.

Another option might be 18 and Bonar for 9 and 37: that's 967 points, the equivalent of pick 19 which I'd suggest is around a reasonable value. And allows us to match a Tom Green bid and have an early second round pick when 18 gets downgraded.

Overall, I'm not that keen to shop Bonar so the trade would need to be reasonable value for GWS IMHO.

 

[JayJ20]

Ah, roger, wasn't thinking of a traded in pick. I'd still have it a bit low - early 20s would be the limit I'd take: I still think another year or two is worth waiting to see how he develops.

12 to 9 alone is only 200 points - around pick 55/56 so that alone would be a firm no. That would need a later pick like 31 included also IMHO. It doesn't reeally help us that much as 9 or 12 is paying for matching Green, and a pick that far back isn't replacing Bonar in my opinion.

12 and Bonar for 5 (if you got that) would work for us. That's only 610 points for Bonar - equivalent to pick 31 in points value - but gets us close to getting ahead of a Tom Green pick. I don't expect that Essendon would be keen.

Another option might be 18 and Bonar for 9 and 37: that's 967 points, the equivalent of pick 19 which I'd suggest is around a reasonable value. And allows us to match a Tom Green bid and have an early second round pick when 18 gets downgraded.

Overall, I'm not that keen to shop Bonar so the trade would need to be reasonable value for GWS IMHO.

Yeah I definitely wouldn't involve pick 5 for a player with his history and inexperience.

I'd consider 9 + a late second/early third for 12 + Bonar.

With Ward and Coniglio coming back, Bonar is going to struggle for game time. If the original rumours of seeking more game time are true, then he could be keen to come to us. If he requested for a trade, I imagine it'd be done fairly quickly.

 

[gee whiz giant]

Bonar had the one good game in 2018 against the Crows in Manuka. Took a couple of contested marks at CHF.
As Giant Strides says, he needs more development time. (Look how long Finlayson took, and even now, he's not the finished article).
In 2019, Hately got a few too many easy games because injury had swathed through our midfield group, so anything can happen.
But competing against Hately, XO, Caldwell for a spot should encourage consistency, his major drawback.

 

[Colonial]

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A great listen.

 

[Mr Magic]

Yeah I definitely wouldn't involve pick 5 for a player with his history and inexperience.

I'd consider 9 + a late second/early third for 12 + Bonar.

With Ward and Coniglio coming back, Bonar is going to struggle for game time. If the original rumours of seeking more game time are true, then he could be keen to come to us. If he requested for a trade, I imagine it'd be done fairly quickly.

Just say GWS get pick 5.


Someone chooses Green at 4 so GWS has to use 5 to match. What is the gain for GWS???


What am I missing?

None of my business but if someone needs a third party for mutual benefit let me know

 

[slapnutmidget]

Just say GWS get pick 5.


Someone chooses Green at 4 so GWS has to use 5 to match. What is the gain for GWS???


What am I missing?

None of my business but if someone needs a third party for mutual benefit let me know

Could use 5 to trade up again.

we did multiple trade ups in the first round in the 2016 draft.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

so Richmond got end of second round (39) for Ellis. We got end of second round (40) for Tomlinson.

they finished ahead of us on the ladder, you'd think they'd be behind us in the draft. that's how it usually works.

is it because they got his deal done first, or is it contract size/length related?

just curious.

 

[Ppollen]

so Richmond got end of second round (39) for Ellis. We got end of second round (40) for Tomlinson.

they finished ahead of us on the ladder, you'd think they'd be behind us in the draft. that's how it usually works.

is it because they got his deal done first, or is it contract size/length related?

just curious.

Actually, Richmond received a second round compensation pick (39) which falls after their position and current second round pick.

We received an end of second round compensation (40) which falls after the last pick in the second round.

Just to clarify.

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Actually, Richmond received a second round compensation pick (39) which falls after their position and current second round pick.

We received an end of second round compensation (40) which falls after the last pick in the second round.

Just to clarify.

so if their second round pick was, say 32, they would have received 33 for Ellis?

so it is contract related in that Ellis was obviously deemed of higher worth given his contract with GC is more than Tommo is getting at Melbourne.

thanks for the clarification.