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Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion

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If he gets another year he has to play forward IMO.

Defence needs to start settling for the future and playing together and as a group. Absolutely vital for our future
He could definitely offer the forward line better flexibility, he knows the forwards craft being that's where it all started for him, having a great footy IQ he could be a terrific asset for everyone down there during a game with his direction and leadership. Who we are able to trade in might possibly have more of a say in whether he gets the chance too...
 
If he gets another year he has to play forward IMO.

Defence needs to start settling for the future and playing together and as a group. Absolutely vital for our future
Agree but not having any best 22 small defenders coming through probably will have him in the mix certain weeks for a suitable matchup he offers...
 

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Great question:

I would say the core group should be in the 23-27 age range, the rest of the numbers should be based on talent/performance for spots, no matter the age of that player. Then continue to embrace the draft (best available) and creative trading (needs/bang for your buck, aka Newman)
I think the part I bolded should be about the team
, but for whole list re-generation and I truly believe it should be perpetual. Realise there always needs to be kids from teenagers to 22 on list that developing or be tried out to see if they develop. How many for each year age is what I curious others think about. We are always going to have 42 to 45 players on list, not all will be ready in the now and some will always be in last year or two if into their 30's. Some list spots need to be investments for future that may need to take two to four seasons to blossom so really do think the guys below 23 cannot be be neglected in how many you have just because you might get a strong 23 to 30 age group in a few years. List management needs to be balanced if a club wants to regularly be in premiership contention. It means having a strategy for short, medium and long term and never get out of focus with any of those three. When clubs do this lack of balance will bite at some point. You cannot get perfection but I think we should aim for it.
 
Look at his physique then. Anyone think he isn't overweight at the moment?
You've got a real vendetta against Mitch.
perhaps we can't expect all players to have the same shape? I looked at his brother on the weekend and commented that he didn't just look footballer out of shape, he seemed to actually be carrying a pot belly - yet he plays ok - the same for the england fast bowler, blunt - tummy rolls galore (probably babies too) and she sends them down as quick as anyone for extended periods - we might want our players to be hardened, ab busting soldiers but is that always going to happen? mind you, there will be people who say we may never know his true potential if he doesn't shed those kilos.........
 
perhaps we can't expect all players to have the same shape? I looked at his brother on the weekend and commented that he didn't just look footballer out of shape, he seemed to actually be carrying a pot belly - yet he plays ok - the same for the england fast bowler, blunt - tummy rolls galore (probably babies too) and she sends them down as quick as anyone for extended periods - we might want our players to be hardened, ab busting soldiers but is that always going to happen? mind you, there will be people who say we may never know his true potential if he doesn't shed those kilos.........

True but my point is look at what he was like when he was fit. We have something to compare with. There is a big difference IMO

I just hope now he turns it around
 
perhaps we can't expect all players to have the same shape? I looked at his brother on the weekend and commented that he didn't just look footballer out of shape, he seemed to actually be carrying a pot belly - yet he plays ok - the same for the england fast bowler, blunt - tummy rolls galore (probably babies too) and she sends them down as quick as anyone for extended periods - we might want our players to be hardened, ab busting soldiers but is that always going to happen? mind you, there will be people who say we may never know his true potential if he doesn't shed those kilos.........

Exactly. I also think that having double ankle surgery AND a broken back probably doesn't help ones recovery and conditioning.
We give everyone else a chance to get fit and 100%, why not Mitch?
 
True but my point is look at what he was like when he was fit. We have something to compare with. There is a big difference IMO

I just hope now he turns it around
do you have a pic, soap - also, what are you wearing right now?
 
Just speaking with someone who floated the notion of Deluca playing back.

It's way too early but the idea somehow just fits. What do people think?

Deluca has that dash, power out of congestion, has a reasonable kick on him, isn't too bad in tight. Is there something there?

Worth an opportunity but I would prefer to see it in the reserves, will come down to how good he is at hitting up risky kicks I feel.

Lots of criteria need to be ticked off for playing back, especially with the smaller players who play back, because it's so much about team defence now. Players need to be able to and willing to drop in front of the tall forwards at times and cop a hit as well as be able to use their speed and skills. He's a strong body so who knows.

One role I see Deluca playing down the track is the Ed Curnow role when he gets his running up to AFL standard. Think he could be good in that one on one role with his physicality.

Would be a good experiment to see in the VFL sometime though.
 
Agree but not having any best 22 small defenders coming through probably will have him in the mix certain weeks for a suitable matchup he offers...

We have Docherty Williamson Schumacher Newman & SPS. I'd like to see Polson have a go back there especially as he is contracted. Plowman has done well on smaller players. Cottrell is starting to look okay as well.

We may also pick up a Cunningham, Ellis or Lester as a running defender as well.
 

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Worth an opportunity but I would prefer to see it in the reserves, will come down to how good he is at hitting up risky kicks I feel.
Lots of criteria need to be ticked off for playing back, especially with the smaller players who play back, because it's so much about team defence now. Players need to be able to and willing to drop in front of the tall forwards at times and cop a hit as well as be able to use their speed and skills. He's a strong body so who knows.
One role I see Deluca playing down the track is the Ed Curnow role when he gets his running up to AFL standard. Think he could be good in that one on one role with his physicality.
Would be a good experiment to see in the VFL sometime though.

Yeah sure. I noticed I left out the word disciplined and that was the important one.

We may well look for something better and more immediate, but given the Garlett experiment failed, Deluca seems to me to have most of the attributes to be able to play on opposition smalls and still make himself available for the exit ball. He knows how to find the ball and to run with it.
He's no Saad, but he does have a side-step and can find his way out of trouble from what I've seen of him to date.

Just a thought.
 
perhaps we can't expect all players to have the same shape? I looked at his brother on the weekend and commented that he didn't just look footballer out of shape, he seemed to actually be carrying a pot belly - yet he plays ok - the same for the england fast bowler, blunt - tummy rolls galore (probably babies too) and she sends them down as quick as anyone for extended periods - we might want our players to be hardened, ab busting soldiers but is that always going to happen? mind you, there will be people who say we may never know his true potential if he doesn't shed those kilos.........
True I could've been anything if the fridge wasn't always in the way!
 
Just speaking with someone who floated the notion of Deluca playing back.

It's way too early but the idea somehow just fits. What do people think?

Deluca has that dash, power out of congestion, has a reasonable kick on him, isn't too bad in tight. Is there something there?
There is but mid/forward for mine.

SPS should be persisted with there.
 

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We have Docherty Williamson Schumacher Newman & SPS. I'd like to see Polson have a go back there especially as he is contracted. Plowman has done well on smaller players. Cottrell is starting to look okay as well.

We may also pick up a Cunningham, Ellis or Lester as a running defender as well.
Doc and Willo I'm Hoping like hell they can get back and play good footy again, their not the types that would be good matchups for small forwards. Schumaker imo is a long way off it and in the same camp as Doc and Willo , Cottrell fair way off as well, Ellis is more of a wingman and Lester wouldn't be worth chasing imo not good enough for a spot on our list, Cunningham would be a really good fit for our smaller defender position...
 
We have Docherty Williamson Schumacher Newman & SPS. I'd like to see Polson have a go back there especially as he is contracted. Plowman has done well on smaller players. Cottrell is starting to look okay as well.

We may also pick up a Cunningham, Ellis or Lester as a running defender as well.

In an ideal world we'll have Docherty and Williamson in that back 6 next year which certainly makes for a really strong defence with the key position defenders we've got. I wouldn't be oppose to bringing in at the national draft an 18 year old who can develop over the next two years as a lock-down small.
 
We've complied a lot of quality over the past 4 years and may be ready to give those players more say in matters than for us simply to pile on 4 to 5 players of that magical 22-26 age profile.
Last 4 years - Weitering, Mckay, CCurnow, Cuningham, SPS, Fisher, Dow, O'Brien, Walsh & Stocker.
And then players taken from those drafts and now playing for us - Kennedy & Setterfield.

That makes for 11 1st rounders taken in 4 years (Fisher is the outlier in that group) and 11 players that one can argue, form our starting 22 squad.
11 1st rounders in 4 years. No other team would come close to this and we'd need to go back to the formative GWS & GC, just to get close.

You can add Plowman to that list, too. He was a pick 3, if I remember correctly. Marchbank was also top ten, so add him on. They are both starting 22.
 
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