List Mgmt. 2019 Trade Thread

[Joffaboy]

I've heard that they will ask for Ben Long as a trade if Draper insists on coming to us. Apparently, they will not match our offers to Sam that are >450K.

Food for thought. Dopers have always been keen to bring Long in to continue the family links and legacy. Would you do it? I would.

Yeah, they can have Long. Would rather walk Draper to the PSD.

 

[Drake Huggins]

You'd demand they throw in their second rounder just for the lols...

Imagine Dildoro's face if we did that. Priceless! He knows he's trapped in this instance. My little birdie tells me der Management at der Dopers has issued instructions that they'll only go so high and no higher.

If doesn't deal with us, we walk him through the PSD. Not ideal, nor desireable, but where Essendope's concerned I'm willing to make an exception.

With the PSD we run the risk that someone gets in before us, but at his pricetag, I doubt anyone will. The bonus is, even if we miss out, the dopers lose a promising player and one who is critical to their future structure, for nothing. Gotta love that.

 

[Yawkey way]

I'd do it in a heartbeat.

He’s a funny one long, he can look really good but he really hasn’t delivered.

I think gifting him games instead of time in the middle at sandy has hurt not helped him as a player. He’s young and has plenty of pace and courage don’t be surprised if it ends up a win win trade if we make it.

 

[saintkildaman]

Rather keep Longy, he will come on. If he were to go to the Bombers I’d want more then Draper in return.

 

[The_Steadier]

I think we can get Draper without giving up Long.

He was a rookie that hasn't played a game and coming off a serious injury. A 3rd round pick should be fine.

Plus OOC and we're well positioned to wave the theoretical (yet of course not realistic) preseason draft card in negotiations with dodo.

Can't see any other clubs swooping in on draper at north of 450k a year.

Very similar situation to how we nabbed freeman from a very unhappy pies.

If we stick to our guys we'd get draper for a deal similar to freezer- future 2nd territory.

No need to pay overs and cough up long

 

[BrutThough]

They have a SC and players and picks.

We have lots of SC and may use it in the trade.

See, I hate that. Why should we help fund Geelong's premiership campaign next year. If you can't afford them all in your own cap, don't bring them in.

 

[Yawkey way]

Plus OOC and we're well positioned to wave the theoretical (yet of course not realistic) preseason draft card in negotiations with dodo.

Can't see any other clubs swooping in on draper at north of 450k a year.

Very similar situation to how we nabbed freeman from a very unhappy pies.

If we stick to our guys we'd get draper for a deal similar to freezer- future 2nd territory.

No need to pay overs and cough up long

Thanks now you’ve jinxed Draper with the freeman comparison, screw it call it off.

 

[Joffaboy]

See, I hate that. Why should we help fund Geelong's premiership campaign next year. If you can't afford them all in your own cap, don't bring them in.

Because of the extra's you get back. It wouldn't be a gift.
Swans still owe us a favour for Hanners

 

[Drake Huggins]

He’s a funny one long, he can look really good but he really hasn’t delivered.

I think gifting him games instead of time in the middle at sandy has hurt not helped him as a player. He’s young and has plenty of pace and courage don’t be surprised if it ends up a win win trade if we make it.

Indeed Yawkey. I'd love to see Ratts let him off the leash and give him 3-4 games in a row, with a licence to thrill.

We need to know if his development has been Chobotted, like Acres, Paddy, Coff, Spook, Newnes, White, Rice and Pierce.

Longy has been a tad disapointing, overall. Glimpses of undoubted talent, but too inconsistent.

Question we have to ask ourselves has that been due to the coaching regime and player management, or has he reached his ceiling? A bit of both?

 

[BrutThough]

Because of the extra's you get back. It wouldn't be a gift.
Swans still owe us a favour for Hanners

But just imagine the smug look on Dangerfield and Selwood's face running to Steven after a kicks a goal in a final.
Is being owed a favour by Geelong really worth it?

 

[lewdogs]

I think we re-signed Long for a reason. Reckon we rate him highly. No way we'll send him to the Bombers.

 

[nitewalker13]

The bigger question is do Geelong not have a salary cap?
What shifty manoeuvres are they pulling to fit everyone in.

Geelong are in the premiership window and they want to make it most before their star players retired.

I reckon Ablett may play for one more year. Selwood, Hawkins will retire in 2-3 years.

Kelly will request move to west.

They will need someone with more experience to win 1-2 premiership. It also help Steven to be a premiership player.

Steven will compromise on pay to win a ptemiership. Plus it will be closer to his home as well.

 

[Yawkey way]

See, I hate that. Why should we help fund Geelong's premiership campaign next year. If you can't afford them all in your own cap, don't bring them in.

Should be illegal it’s just a fiddle really imo.

 

[Yawkey way]

Indeed Yawkey. I'd love to see Ratts let him off the leash and give him 3-4 games in a row, with a licence to thrill.

We need to know if his development has been Chobotted, like Acres, Paddy, Coff, Spook, Newnes, White, Rice and Pierce.

Longy has been a tad disapointing, overall. Glimpses of undoubted talent, but too inconsistent.

Question we have to ask ourselves has that been due to the coaching regime and player management, or has he reached his ceiling? A bit of both?

I think he has potential but we haven’t done him any favours, we can get Draper without giving them long.

Personally I’d like to see him played further up the ground at sandy then given a preseason with time in the midfield group. Even if he ends up as a small forward that versatility and finding a bit more ball makes him a valuable player imo. Plus that forward set up would confuse a veteran let alone a kid finding his feet so trading him is a risky call.

Hard as a cats head and has plenty of pace too and you can’t teach either of those things.

 

[BrutThough]

Geelong are in the premiership window and they want to make it most before their star players retired.

I reckon Ablett may play for one more year. Selwood, Hawkins will retire in 2-3 years.

Kelly will request move to west.

They will need someone with more experience to win 1-2 premiership. It also help Steven to be a premiership player.

Steven will compromise on pay to win a ptemiership. Plus it will be closer to his home as well.

There is taking a pay cut to be in a good team but considering Steven's contract is reportedly on 900k, but how much of a pay cut can someone take before it messes with the integrity of the competition and the purpose of the salary cap? I think it's an interesting question to ask with the increased player movement and in a time of equalisation. If one club 1 is offering Player A $1.3 million and club 2 is offering him $800k but club 2 is seen to be closer to a premiership, player A will most likely chose club 2. But is players taking 500k under market value to go to a strong club what the AFL wants from Free Agency? Or does it go against all the equalisation methods the AFL are trying to put in place?

 

[Impatient Saint]

I've heard that they will ask for Ben Long as a trade if Draper insists on coming to us. Apparently, they will not match our offers to Sam that are >450K.

Food for thought. Dopers have always been keen to bring Long in to continue the family links and legacy. Would you do it? I would.

Trade out long and then go and get Dan Butler from Richmond.

 

[Drake Huggins]

Plus OOC and we're well positioned to wave the theoretical (yet of course not realistic) preseason draft card in negotiations with dodo.

Can't see any other clubs swooping in on draper at north of 450k a year.

Very similar situation to how we nabbed freeman from a very unhappy pies.

If we stick to our guys we'd get draper for a deal similar to freezer- future 2nd territory.

No need to pay overs and cough up long

And here is where I tend to agree with your earlier posts on bold trading, The Steadier. You are right in principle, of course. No player is untradeable, depending on the compensation, but we're scarred from being bent over too many times in the past.

The Lovett trade is still too fresh in my mind. I had a ringside seat to that. Roo said no way, JB was doubtful as was JP. The downside and due diligence suggested he was a risk. For a start, the captain couldn't stand him. That shoukd've been the end of it. Roo's a pretty good judge. He's a cruel, man. Cruel but fair. It's his Teutonic roots. Added to all that, I baulked when that old saints' hater Sheedy and his love-child drug addict endorsed him.

Anyhoo, RTB insisted, although consensus was reached in the end that he was what we needed to take the final step and the feeling was the group was strong enough to control him.

My caveat on the whole bold trading paradigm is it has to be done with the odds well and truly stacked in your favour, whether that is sulerficially, eg. you are obviously getting overs, or you are the pussies, swines or dorks and you back yourselves in to develop the inductees where others have failed.

I believe our trading from 2000 until now has been far more successful than our drafting. We've done well, on balance. I'd back our medical crew in as well. They've done well. Even the Freeman case was a miracle in that they got him playing senior footy at all.

In the end, sentiment needs to be pushed aside. While I'm generally in furious agreement with The Steadier, I believe trading out any one of King, Marshall, Billings, Gresh, Carlisle, Battle or Clark would be too much of a gamble, or would come at too great a cost. The rest? Open slather. Start talking. I'm listening.

Steven? Yes, for the right compo. Ditto Savage, Dunstan, Ross, Acres, Lonie, Long, Membrey, Bruce and White. The rest wouldn't fetch anything worth having.

So get cracking Gubbster. My realistic shopping list includes the Hills, Tomlinson, Draper, Langdon, Taylor, Sier, AMT, Z. Jones, Papley, Ellis, Bolton, Jacobs and Fogarty. We get any of those 4 and we've done well.

Coniglio is in my "Daryl Kerrigan" category, as is Taranto. Still, better to aim high and miss, than not try at all.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Yeah, they can have Long. Would rather walk Draper to the PSD.

I really rate Longy... I'm not ready to give up on him just yet. Surely we can find a way to get Draper without losing him. If he does then we need to recognise that he's a 2nd round pick who's shown quite a bit despite being inconsistent. Draper is a rookie, who's never played seniors and has done a knee.

That 2nd round pick plus Draper is where we start IMO.

 

[VDS66]

I really rate Longy... I'm not ready to give up on him just yet. Surely we can find a way to get Draper without losing him. If he does then we need to recognise that he's a 2nd round pick who's shown quite a bit despite being inconsistent. Draper is a rookie, who's never played seniors and has done a knee.

That 2nd round pick plus Draper is where we start IMO.

Long has had a few years in the system and it shown glimpses IMO.

If we seriously see the potential in Draper, then we will have to pay overs for him.

Value is subjective at the best of times and on form Long is currently a 3rd round on form.

We have to pay for Draper somehow and we don't have a ton of picks to play with, so most likely a player will be needed.

 

[majortinkle]

I've heard that they will ask for Ben Long as a trade if Draper insists on coming to us. Apparently, they will not match our offers to Sam that are >450K.

Food for thought. Dopers have always been keen to bring Long in to continue the family links and legacy. Would you do it? I would.

Have any of us actually seen Draper play? Having said that have we ever seen Long play as well as we regard him for playing....

I think I could easily see a summer where that would work out very well for us and assuming Draper is as good as we're making him appear by going hard for him then I'd do it.

Pick 5 for Papley and Jones
Long for Draper
Ryder as FA

Improves cover at ruck and key forward, upgrades our small forwards gives us a similar guy to a potentially outgoing Steven either immediately or in a step down through age

Someone else mentioned just replacing Long with Butler as well which would also work for me, but I rate Papley highly so I'd favour the above.

If we do get a late 1st for Steven then we could go for an injured Kemp or one of the 'vanilla' mid ball winners that always fall further than they should.

 

[pebblesofsand]

It won't be an easy trade because Jack is on on huge money, seriously huge money. How do Geelong fit him into their cap? Maybe someone like a Fogarty coming back our way.

The incentive would be for us to pay part of his wages if Geelong then comes to the party on Picks/players or their dealings with another club in the Tim Kelly trade. (ie Freo Hill/Langdon)

 

[VDS66]

But just imagine the smug look on Dangerfield and Selwood's face running to Steven after a kicks a goal in a final.
Is being owed a favour by Geelong really worth it?

If it was 2009 you'd have a valid point.

At this stage it will be Billings running up to Stuv as we finish in 9th place.

Anyway it depends on what we get in return.

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Plus OOC and we're well positioned to wave the theoretical (yet of course not realistic) preseason draft card in negotiations with dodo.

Can't see any other clubs swooping in on draper at north of 450k a year.

Very similar situation to how we nabbed freeman from a very unhappy pies.

If we stick to our guys we'd get draper for a deal similar to freezer- future 2nd territory.

No need to pay overs and cough up long

I'd argue that a future 2nd is overs for an unproven kid drafted as a rookie and coming off a knee.

Future 3rd & we're talking.

 

[Mikka84]

Happy for him to remain a one in player, bit it's his call if he wants to play finals.

Mental health issues aside, if he requests a trade then we should look after our interests as a club.

Don’t think it’s the fact he wants to play finals ect. He just want to go close to home. I hope we do get fair compensation, but I’m also not holding my breath.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Massive no to trading Long for mine. Plenty to work on, but enormous amount to work with.