Nope. All 10 teams are in the one group so it means nothing.
2019 "World" Cup Shamblefier - Scotland robbed again, no Associates at World Cup for first time ever
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Still can't work out why Rashid is coming on as the sixth bowler.
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Watching the behaviour of these two teams playing is making a mockery of the idea of a final. It's almost testimonial cricket stuff
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West Indies totally uninterested. Waste of a day's cricket.
And there's a pretty good chance a lot of these kind of matches will be at the World Cup. Dead rubber snoozefests.
And there's a pretty good chance a lot of these kind of matches will be at the World Cup. Dead rubber snoozefests.
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that is an absolute joke of a dismissal. even the commentators are chuckling over it.
this is really making a mockery of a serious tournament
this is really making a mockery of a serious tournament
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The most unfortunate thing about the soap opera in Cape Town is that its distracted the cricket world from the travesty of these qualifiers. I suppose it's too much to ask to have people pay attention to things that matter in the long term...
In any case, here's my team of the tournament:
Kyle Coetzer (Sco) - 276 runs @ 55.20
Evin Lewis (WI) - 316 runs @ 39.50
Rahmat Shah (Afg) - 280 runs @ 35.00
Brendan Taylor+ (Zim) - 457 runs @ 65.28
Mohammad Nabi (Afg) - 291 runs @ 41.57, 12 wickets @ 25.66
Sikandar Raza (Zim) - 319 runs @ 53.16, 15 wickets @ 17.60
Najibullah Zadran (Afg) - 254 runs @ 63.50
Jason Holder (WI) - 219 runs @ 36.50, 15 wickets @ 21.13
Roelof van der Merwe (Ned) - 16 wickets @ 12.25
Safyaan Sharif (Sco) - 17 wickets @ 13.94
Mujeeb Ur Rahman (Afg) - 17 wickets @ 16.41
It's worth noting that the man who scored the most runs across the tournament (Brendan Taylor), the man who scored the second most runs across the tournament (Sikandar Raza), one of the men who took the most wickets across the tournament (Safyaan Sharif), the men who made the two highest scores in an innings (Tony Ura and Calum Macleod) and the men who had the best figures in an innings (Rohan Mustafa and Mohammad Naveed) will all miss out on the World Cup.
Sikandar Raza used his speech for being Man of the Tournament to rally behind all the teams that missed out, and received a lot of twitter love from all the players at the tournament for it.
In any case, here's my team of the tournament:
Kyle Coetzer (Sco) - 276 runs @ 55.20
Evin Lewis (WI) - 316 runs @ 39.50
Rahmat Shah (Afg) - 280 runs @ 35.00
Brendan Taylor+ (Zim) - 457 runs @ 65.28
Mohammad Nabi (Afg) - 291 runs @ 41.57, 12 wickets @ 25.66
Sikandar Raza (Zim) - 319 runs @ 53.16, 15 wickets @ 17.60
Najibullah Zadran (Afg) - 254 runs @ 63.50
Jason Holder (WI) - 219 runs @ 36.50, 15 wickets @ 21.13
Roelof van der Merwe (Ned) - 16 wickets @ 12.25
Safyaan Sharif (Sco) - 17 wickets @ 13.94
Mujeeb Ur Rahman (Afg) - 17 wickets @ 16.41
It's worth noting that the man who scored the most runs across the tournament (Brendan Taylor), the man who scored the second most runs across the tournament (Sikandar Raza), one of the men who took the most wickets across the tournament (Safyaan Sharif), the men who made the two highest scores in an innings (Tony Ura and Calum Macleod) and the men who had the best figures in an innings (Rohan Mustafa and Mohammad Naveed) will all miss out on the World Cup.
Sikandar Raza used his speech for being Man of the Tournament to rally behind all the teams that missed out, and received a lot of twitter love from all the players at the tournament for it.
Geez that was awkward. Pommie seems like a really nice bloke but he was caught off guard then. Would have been great to hear more of Raza's thoughts on the 10 team WC.
Beautifully said.
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You were correct. How far has West indies cricket plummetted to be stuck playing in this tournament.
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As tempting as it is to think PDP has followed my lead, the reality is that most of the best players in the tournament were fairly obvious.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22921750/mighty-efforts-vain-amid-afghan-caribbean-dominance
http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/22921750/mighty-efforts-vain-amid-afghan-caribbean-dominance
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Windies almost ended up not qualifying, now that would have been awkward and possibly the death sentence for Windies cricket
Turns out this is even more egregious than I thought.
One of the few constant criticisms of World Cups of recent past was the length, at six weeks or so maybe it is a tad long. I thought, well, 10 teams isn't much of a World Cup but it might make it a bit more concise like the FIFA World Cup and Champions Trophy, maybe there is a method to the madness. Turns out much to my disgust casting four nations out to the boondocks of world cricket saves a grand total of one match over the length of the tournament. It's still going to be six weeks long.
Even forgetting the Associates, we are kicking out TWO FULL TEST PLAYING NATIONS from the biggest event in world Cricket. And one of those nations is an emerging market a canoe ride from England.
One of the few constant criticisms of World Cups of recent past was the length, at six weeks or so maybe it is a tad long. I thought, well, 10 teams isn't much of a World Cup but it might make it a bit more concise like the FIFA World Cup and Champions Trophy, maybe there is a method to the madness. Turns out much to my disgust casting four nations out to the boondocks of world cricket saves a grand total of one match over the length of the tournament. It's still going to be six weeks long.
Even forgetting the Associates, we are kicking out TWO FULL TEST PLAYING NATIONS from the biggest event in world Cricket. And one of those nations is an emerging market a canoe ride from England.
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I think a lot more people will be having this epiphany in 16 months from now.
Let's hope so, the 10 team world cup was gaining some criticism in mainstream media but it stopped with the ball tampering stuff. Hopefully Australia doing poorly at the WC will change that.
Dunno if should've started a new thread yet, but the preliminary fixtures have been released for the world cup next year:
England v South Africa to kick it off, everyone travels round so get a good cross section of venues (ie. not much point in picking specialist players for a particular wicket). Would prefer there were more tems participating, but if it is going to be a 10 side affair this structure of laying everyone once seems loigcal to me. Skips the whole super six thing and goes straight into a quick fire knock out stage.
England v South Africa to kick it off, everyone travels round so get a good cross section of venues (ie. not much point in picking specialist players for a particular wicket). Would prefer there were more tems participating, but if it is going to be a 10 side affair this structure of laying everyone once seems loigcal to me. Skips the whole super six thing and goes straight into a quick fire knock out stage.
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Fantastic stuff! Best world cup structure since 1992 in Australia.
The criticism about previous tournaments taking too long is only because of the lightweights who have no chance of progressing to the next round. They have to play their matches too and time ticks by, interest wanes.
The tournament treads water until these no-chance teams get knocked out. That's why it drags and doesn't feel as though it really starts til the latter stages.
This has more of a best of the best feel to it, befitting a world cup. Rather than using it as a promo tool with propped up Gold Coast/GWS equivalents running around.
The new kid on the block Afghanistan have earned their spot. No gimme leg up by having 16 teams or whatever.
The criticism about previous tournaments taking too long is only because of the lightweights who have no chance of progressing to the next round. They have to play their matches too and time ticks by, interest wanes.
The tournament treads water until these no-chance teams get knocked out. That's why it drags and doesn't feel as though it really starts til the latter stages.
This has more of a best of the best feel to it, befitting a world cup. Rather than using it as a promo tool with propped up Gold Coast/GWS equivalents running around.
The new kid on the block Afghanistan have earned their spot. No gimme leg up by having 16 teams or whatever.
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If anyone ever doubts the truth of presuppositionalism, I will direct them to this post.
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Not the posts about how having minnows involved will lead to greater interest and more test nations down the track?
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The whole point of presuppositionalism is that everyone begins with a set of presuppositions that they view the evidence with to come to wildly different conclusions. In this case, you've come with the presupposition that this tournament will necessarily be better because it's a closed shop, therefore everything about the schedule is excellent.
This is not the same as postmodernism, which holds that anything someone holds as truth is true. Presuppositionalism still holds that there is absolute truth - it just takes a big event to change someone's worldview, because only then will their presuppositions no longer be able to explain the world.
For example, I could point out how the reason the previous tournaments felt so long is actually because they only played one match a day, something they have not changed with this one. I could point out that there is going to be a high proportion of dead rubbers because of this format. I could point out that a number of the teams that are playing are nowhere near 'the best of the best'. I could point out that the Champions Trophy does that idea better as well. I could point out that no Associates get a leg up in the international structure, which is so heavily biased towards 'full members' in every imaginable way that any complaint about Associates getting treated too well is laughable.
But not one of those arguments will get through to you, so there's no point. Come the end of the 2019 World Cup, which has a very large chance of being terrible, you will either have changed your mind because you have seen for yourself how bad it is, or you will have convinced yourself that it is great even as everyone else is complaining about it.
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Same as others have entered previous tournaments with novelty/new teams as being great for the game
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What is this a response to?
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Will be great because it's only the stronger nations / will be great because there are lots of new nations
If I have a predisposed view to the former, fine. Others have a predisposed view to the latter.
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And they cannot both be right, can they? So it is right to debate which is the actual truth, even if will take until the event itself before worldview change will actually happen. Alas, you are yet to muster up the evidence to prove your presupposition to be accurate.
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The results have been there for everyone to see. We've had previous tournaments that have had the stronger nations only. And we've seen world cups that have included lots of minnows alongside the stronger nations.
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