Unofficial Preview 2020 Draft Discussion

[lethalselbow]

It's funny how nobody likes Logan McDonald yet everybody will be surprised if he slips.

Who doesn't like him? Looks pretty promising from everything I've seen.

 

[lethalselbow]

If the bombers offered 6 and 8 for 4 and 24, we should do a second trade with GWS with 8 for 10 and 15.

Why?

 

[Bugs1977]

If the bombers offered 6 and 8 for 4 and 24, we should do a second trade with GWS with 8 for 10 and 15.

So many dominoes to fall before we visit that trade but I like your thinking. Getting those picks solves the Downie bid before pick 24.

 

[Roger Rogerson]

Can't see Essendon giving up 6 and 8 for pick 4. Ludicrous.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I thought you said Perkins could be pick 4 what does Can say?

You may have missed the point.

 

[hardway]

Why?

Perkins
+ 2 more top 20 rated kids , plus Downie.

We seem keen on Perkins and he will most likely be there at 6 so the other picks are a bonus.

 

[kenneje]

Why?

I'd rather we just kept pick 5, but based on Twomeys phantom, we could turn:
McDonald + Downie
Into
Perkins + Cox + Macrae + Downie

 

[Roby]

I personally wouldn't be surprised to see Logan slip to us.... probably because I think he is an overrated lead up forward who will become Jack Watts average at AFL level. Lacks the elite traits of the others ahead i.e. hollands - skills, DGB - Aerial, Thilthorpe - Agility, speed, versatility, whereas Logan has bang average hands, a clunky running style, lack of explosiveness, lack of balance - but good endurance and can kick a footy long and straight. But alas, mine is just a nuffy opinion, like most others, and I don't have the hubris to pretend I know more than recruiters, so if they pick him bring on 200 games and a couple of Colemans and I'll happily eat my hat.

But in the meantime, I would be on the #splitthepick bandwagon with a table for 1. Or is anyone else joining me?

He's also got the potential to be the next Riewoldt.

 

[TylerDurden]

He's also got the potential to be the next Riewoldt.

Then consider what we have:

TOB - lucky to be on a list
Patton - massive question marks
Lewis - terrible year

 

[TylerDurden]

Can't see Essendon giving up 6 and 8 for pick 4. Ludicrous.

Good.

 

[WWSD]

I really hope Ginnivan or Winder are selected with pick 24. Assuming that pick 24 isn’t traded out.

 

[MadDawg]

Logan MacDonald sounds a lot like WC Josh Kennedy to me.

Has no outstanding physical traits, but is a good size, has the footy IQ to be in the right places at the right time, and the work rate to be there consistently.

I'll be very happy getting that at pick 5 thanks.

 

[kazzooka]

so on the Podcast on the Hawks website, Mark McKenzie said we are planning to take 4 picks at the draft, leaving a spot open for some players to train and earn a spot and maybe a rookie because we have 6 open list spots i believe.

he hinted 3 picks definitely with a possible 4th pick if the right player was available, expecting that the 4th pick would come late matching Downie's bid most likely.

Minchinton to train with the club and get delisted again???

 

[Roby]

4 and 24 for 6 and 8

Essendon take McDonald and Bruhn.
We take Perkins and Cox. Then Downie and hopefully either a small forward or a project ruck later on.

All the speculation has been fun but definitely looking forward to this all being over in 2 nights time

 

[Davo-27]

Minchinton to train with the club and get delisted again???

mate dont give them ideas... sigh

 

[Hawk the Talk]

Everyone was so excited by Phillips but Logan doesn’t seem to be getting the same love. A tall forward who kicks goals, has good hands and a huge work rate... yes please!

 

[cryptor]

Just want to point out that when Essendon were offering North Melbourne one first rounder as part of a deal for pick 2 they were only trading for an increased chance at getting McDonald. If Adelaide took McDonald then Essendon have done a trade and missed their target. Where as if they live trade with us on the night when it's our pick and McDonald is still available then they aren't trading for a chance any more, they are trading for a certainty.

That's worth a lot more in relative terms. Two first rounders would be very fair. But because it's Dodo I'd want us to turn the screws. At least make him say "pretty please".

 

[Roby]

Everyone was so excited by Phillips but Logan doesn’t seem to be getting the same love. A tall forward who kicks goals, has good hands and a huge work rate... yes please!

If you knew you were getting either Nick Riewoldt or Greg Willams at age 18 which one would you pick?

 

[JaegarTime]

It's funny how nobody likes Logan McDonald yet everybody will be surprised if he slips.

Well I did say ‘going by how high others rate him’.
I’d be more excited about Thilthorpe. Getting a tall at the top end of draft is obviously a good thing but from my watching McDonald doesn’t stand out. Just my opinion.

 

[Hawk the Talk]

If you knew you were getting either Nick Riewoldt or Greg Willams at age 18 which one would you pick?

With our current list? Nick

 

[Roby]

Well I did say ‘going by how high others rate him’.
I’d be more excited about Thilthorpe. Getting a tall at the top end of draft is obviously a good thing but from my watching McDonald doesn’t stand out. Just my opinion.

Yeah I'd rather Thilthorpe too but Adelaide will take him, so that's that.

Thilthorpe for me is very unique, I don't think we've ever seen a player like him.

 

[HAWKSBESTEVA]

would be amazing if McDonald fell to us, having an amazing work rate Is a crucial trait to have as an elite KPF. People say he doesn’t stand out well neither does josh Kennedy who’s been the 2nd best key fwd this era behind buddy and also 2nd for most goals kicked this era behind buddy.

 

[JaegarTime]

If you knew you were getting either Nick Riewoldt or Greg Willams at age 18 which one would you pick?

You don’t know though. ‘Could be the next’ is such a hype line just to get casuals excited about the draft.

 

[Roby]

With our current list? Nick

Sure, that's one way to look at it. Some people would still select Diesel as they see him as the better player and still more effective one regardless of list needs.

 

[cryptor]

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For all the LoganLovers.... traits are

* "hard-working"
* Gets to contests
* Competitive edge
* Senior experience
* Takes the chances he gets
* Takes marks on the lead
* will be a CONSISTENT forward option (i.e. not a star).

Compared to the JUH description where he "stands on shoulders regularly" - this screams super vanilla!

His description reads how I would write one for Tim O'Brien

22

Tim O'brien

Age

32

Ht

193cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.1

3star

K

6.7

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

MG

163.8

3star

D

5.9

1star

K

4.4

2star

HB

1.4

1star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.1

3star

MG

119.4

2star

D

7.2

2star

K

3.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

2.8

5star

MG

307.0

5star

.

This guy is no Roughy, no Buddy, no Naughton, no King and no King

Give me Henry before this lad

I am.....

And that description could just as equally describe Dunstall or Gunston.

All those traits equal a KPF who could regularly kick bags and win matches. If he's regularly kicking 4 goals a game from boring old set shots taken from simple marks on the lead I will take that every day of the week.

You're clearly carrying a bias against the kid to interpret a description of 'consistent' to be anything but a positive. Particularly when everything before that are exactly the traits you'd want from a KPF who will stand up every week and not go missing.

I think some forget that as good as Buddy was he went through significant patches over the years where you just didn't know if he was going to kick 8 goals or 8 behinds. We won some amazing games by huge margins when he turned it on, but we also lost plenty of games we should have won if he could have just kicked a few. A consistent performance each week would have had an overall net improvement in our W-L.