List Mgmt. 2020 Draft

[George]

 

[StCicatriz]

Mids, mids and more mids.

If only we'd done that starting in 2012 when I and plenty of others were advocating for it.

yeah :-( i remember writing a long post about why the need for mids was more important than talls and why the strategy around mccartin was just so damn wrong.

even if the strategy was to go tall, mccartin was the wrong lever to pull. given you had no fall back if he went bust, i.e. you can't play him as a defender or a ruck.

 

[StCicatriz]

Did Acres spend much time forward in the U18s?

Poulter's profile reads like he can at least play forward and score so if he doesnt develop as an inside mid, he should at least be able to impact on the outside and up forward. Whereas, it always seemed like Acres was lost in the forward line.

acres played for WA across the HBF. spent time in the center at colts level but colts in WA is a step below TAC Cup IMO so of course he would go ok there standing at 190cm.

people were saying how acres would be a beast inside, but i just didn't see why they would think that would happen given he was playing in another position. he didn't have defender qualities either IMO.

his foot skills and decision making were also poor.

so it's hardly a shock that he was thrown all over the ground and never really found a home.

 

[bird_man]

I can't see anyway we can possibly move up the draft.

Our late picks are worth next to nothing in points.

We cant trade out a future first unless we have one coming back so I can't see a club taking that gamble.

All we've got on top of that is next years 3rd.

 

[StCicatriz]

I can't see anyway we can possibly move up the draft.

Our late picks are worth next to nothing in points.

We cant trade out a future first unless we have one coming back so I can't see a club taking that gamble.

All we've got on top of that is next years 3rd.

looks dead in the water unfortunately unless its a very very minor upgrade. like pick 25 to pick 23.

 

[bird_man]

looks dead in the water unfortunately unless its a very very minor upgrade. like pick 25 to pick 23.

Even then I can't see how that happens. Melbourne won't want us moving ahead of them and we have nothing to offer them to make it worthwhile.

 

[StCicatriz]

will be very interesting to see what's available tomorrow and what we say post draft given we were never at the top end. it'd be super interesting to know how we viewed the top 5 picks.

glad we are ranking them 1 to 25 and just selecting the best available at our pick. can't go wrong doing that.

 

[StCicatriz]

Even then I can't see how that happens. Melbourne won't want us moving ahead of them and we have nothing to offer them to make it worthwhile.

that's if melbourne still have the pick!

i imagine we are hoping for a domino effect with the NGA stuff

 

[StCicatriz]

Hawthorn and North Melbourne have spoken about a deal that could see them swapping their top-five picks, reports The Age’s Daniel Cherny.

The Kangaroos currently hold Pick 2 while the Hawks have Pick 4, their highest selection in 15 years. Both picks are likely to be bumped down a spot by an early bid for Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, either from Adelaide or North Melbourne itself.

The report states Hawthorn is keen on making a move up to 2 if WA tall forward Logan McDonald isn’t selected by Adelaide, and the Kangaroos would be OK moving back as long as they can nab mid-forward Elijah Hollands at 4.

Sydney has been linked to WA key defender Denver Grainger-Barras at 3, but could opt for McDonald instead if he falls to them, which is why Hawthorn would feel the need to make the trade.

 

[StCicatriz]

sounds like the top 5 has taken shape:
Pick 1 Dogs: UGLE
Pick 2 Adelaide: THILTHORPE
Pick 3 Hawthorn: MCDONALD
Pick 4 Sydney: BARRAS
Pick 5 Norf: HOLLANDS

 

[BrutThough]

Even then I can't see how that happens. Melbourne won't want us moving ahead of them and we have nothing to offer them to make it worthwhile.

I think we want to get in ahead of Melbourne, so the only two options I can see are either getting our original pick back from Richmond (seems unlikely) or with the Pies for pick 16 if McInnes hasn't been bid on before their pick 14, they then might be okay with trading 16 for a later first round pick which would be used as a bid since they are going to be picking about 5 players overall and might still want their decent later picks (an even more unlikely scenario).

 

[Armoooo]

Hawthorn and North Melbourne have spoken about a deal that could see them swapping their top-five picks, reports The Age’s Daniel Cherny.

The Kangaroos currently hold Pick 2 while the Hawks have Pick 4, their highest selection in 15 years. Both picks are likely to be bumped down a spot by an early bid for Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, either from Adelaide or North Melbourne itself.

The report states Hawthorn is keen on making a move up to 2 if WA tall forward Logan McDonald isn’t selected by Adelaide, and the Kangaroos would be OK moving back as long as they can nab mid-forward Elijah Hollands at 4.

Sydney has been linked to WA key defender Denver Grainger-Barras at 3, but could opt for McDonald instead if he falls to them, which is why Hawthorn would feel the need to make the trade.

Not a bad situation to be in for the Kangas, downgrade your pick knowing you'll still get the bloke you want anyway.

Wonder what the hawks would need to include, because their needs are pretty obviously talls, they can't really bluff and pretend like they're happy to miss out on all the best talls.

 

[George]

Mids, mids and more mids.

If only we'd done that starting in 2012 when I and plenty of others were advocating for it.

Melbourne tried that and failed their rebuild, who is to say it would've worked for us.

Given who we had in key positions at the time I think our selections were fine. We should've gone mid after that though, and we kind of did. Our issue has been the inability to develop players but it seems the last few years we are getting that right as well.

 

[Significant]

I think we want to get in ahead of Melbourne, so the only two options I can see are either getting our original pick back from Richmond (seems unlikely) or with the Pies for pick 16 if McInnes hasn't been bid on before their pick 14, they then might be okay with trading 16 for a later first round pick which would be used as a bid since they are going to be picking about 5 players overall and might still want their decent later picks (an even more unlikely scenario).

Problem is, if I am Pies, I am trading up to Essendons Pick 9, and I reckon Twomeys phantom draft speaks to this, without him putting the pieces together:

1. Adelaide bid on Reef McInness at their pick after Essendon's group of picks and Collingwood don't match.
2. Collingwood get Archie Perkins at 16, despite industry noise suggesting he is a Top 10 draftee, including Essendon being into him.
3. Essendon have already been in talks with Collingwood about trading draft picks (has been reported in various media outlets, with NM, GWS keen).
4. Essendon have interviewed Jack Carroll and others in the late teens over the weekend.

to me, all this adds up to:

1. Essendon trade Pick 9 and some other later picks to Collingwood for one of 14 / 16 and their future first.
2. Collingwood draft Archie Perkins with that pick, in front of the McInness bid.
3. Collingwood are still able to match McInness bid with their teen pick.
4. Essendon draft Carroll / others in the later teens with their additional pick.

 

[Keg still on legs]

Seems common opinion we are after mids. I wonder if Satan has leaked the info to put others off who we are actually into

Cheeky bugger

 

[snails13]

Problem is, if I am Pies, I am trading up to Essendons Pick 9, and I reckon Twomeys phantom draft speaks to this, without him putting the pieces together:

1. Adelaide bid on Reef McInness at their pick after Essendon's group of picks and Collingwood don't match.
2. Collingwood get Archie Perkins at 16, despite industry noise suggesting he is a Top 10 draftee, including Essendon being into him.
3. Essendon have already been in talks with Collingwood about trading draft picks (has been reported in various media outlets, with NM, GWS keen).
4. Essendon have interviewed Jack Carroll and others in the late teens over the weekend.

to me, all this adds up to:

1. Essendon trade Pick 9 and some other later picks to Collingwood for one of 14 / 16 and their future first.
2. Collingwood draft Archie Perkins with that pick, in front of the McInness bid.
3. Collingwood are still able to match McInness bid with their teen pick.
4. Essendon draft Carroll / others in the later teens with their additional pick.

Adelaide are offering Picks 9&22 to GWS for Picks 13&15

 

[Significant]

Adelaide are offering Picks 9&22 to GWS for Picks 13&15

still all the more reason to do this trade - GWS have been interested in McInness also, and Adelaide will have a pick before Collingwoods first pick anyway.
Pies want to get ahead of the McInness bid and to move on their first next year, Essendon can facilitate that.

I actually think there will be a significant amount of pick trading tomorrow night.

 

[goodie23]

Given Twomey's phantom and the fact we're going best available, any chance Cook(14), Laurie(18), Macrae(20) or Carroll(21) may be available?

No-one saw Battle sliding like he did, it could happen. Grundy's another.

 

[snails13]

still all the more reason to do this trade - GWS have been interested in McInness also, and Adelaide will have a pick before Collingwoods first pick anyway.
Pies want to get ahead of the McInness bid and to move on their first next year, Essendon can facilitate that.

I actually think there will be a significant amount of pick trading tomorrow night.

Fox Sports have mentioned Pick Trades of the one I mentioned above.
Also NM and Hawt have a deal organised as mentioned in a previous post,but it depends on Ade Pick1 selection.
Rich happy to Trade Pick 17.
Melb looking to Trade Pick 28 for Future Pick.
Saints trying to getter position in First Rd

 

[Lukesaint13]

Jake Bowey looking eager to join the lads.


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[SaintsSeptember]

will be very interesting to see what's available tomorrow and what we say post draft given we were never at the top end. it'd be super interesting to know how we viewed the top 5 picks.

glad we are ranking them 1 to 25 and just selecting the best available at our pick. can't go wrong doing that.

What happens if someone like Essendon put an early bid on Reef.
Collingwood's first pick , even with the discount won't cover it, does their second pick then slide back according to the points deficit?
Is it possible their second pick could be after ours?

 

[Armoooo]

What happens if someone like Essendon put an early bid on Reef.
Collingwood's first pick , even with the discount won't cover it, does their second pick then slide back according to the points deficit?
Is it possible their second pick could be after ours?

Any picks that are required to match the points are forfeited. This year they are able to use as many picks as required to reach the draft value index corresponding to the pick that the player is drafted. If there is a surplus of draft value index points, a new pick is created and granted to the club.

Let's say Essendon bid at pick 8 (1551) points, Collingwood would need to find 1241 points.

In this scenario, Collingwood would use picks 14 ( 1161) and 16 (1067) to match the bid.

The remaining 987 DVI points would then create a new pick at Pick 18.

If Essendon were going to bid for a player, they would be wiser to do it with their first pick, not their 3rd and that could make a big difference

By bidding with pick 6 instead of 8, the pies would be given pick 24.

 

[Highlander35]

Any picks that are required to match the points are forfeited. This year they are able to use as many picks as required to reach the draft value index corresponding to the pick that the player is drafted. If there is a surplus of draft value index points, a new pick is created and granted to the club.

Let's say Essendon bid at pick 8 (1551) points, Collingwood would need to find 1241 points.

In this scenario, Collingwood would use picks 14 ( 1161) and 16 (1067) to match the bid.

The remaining 987 DVI points would then create a new pick at Pick 18.

If Essendon were going to bid for a player, they would be wiser to do it with their first pick, not their 3rd and that could make a big difference

By bidding with pick 6 instead of 8, the pies would be given pick 24.

Taking into account the Ugle-Hagan pick, that's more likely to be 7 instead of 6 (Essendon get pick 20 from 912 remaining points) and 9 instead of 8 (Pick 16 or 17, depending on whether it rounds down or not).

The live pick is the "real pick" but the pre-draft points are the "real points" IIRC.

 

[Stewart66]

acres played for WA across the HBF. spent time in the center at colts level but colts in WA is a step below TAC Cup IMO so of course he would go ok there standing at 190cm.

people were saying how acres would be a beast inside, but i just didn't see why they would think that would happen given he was playing in another position. he didn't have defender qualities either IMO.

his foot skills and decision making were also poor.

so it's hardly a shock that he was thrown all over the ground and never really found a home.

Your opinion watched him in the championships thought ceiling was huge was played mid / forward.
Just me thought he was crucified by Richardson .. I’m not the only one ... Dermie stood near me
at Sandringham said something similar ...he’s gone to back home probably to worst club as the
bloke he is competing for that role is a Brownlow medallist and Longmuir sticks him on a wing .

Richardson coached the flair out of his game , was killing Coffield the same way.
Also think Acres was pretty reliable kick for goal too...destined for career played in multiple spots.

Would‘nt be the 1st bloke to have his career in football destroyed by ineptitude.

 

[BrutThough]

PICK 25: ST KILDA – NATHAN O’DRISCOLL

Clubs: Perth/Western Australia

Position: Midfielder

Size: 187cm/78kg

Bio: The 18-year-old has a bigger frame that is made for the centre of the ground. He has a long kick and bashes his way through the contest, averaging 6.7 tackles and 16 disposals in the Under 18 Championships last year. His work at WAFL level this year has impressed AFL club recruiters and he has shown a good ability to rack up the disposals.

In the mix: West Australians O’Driscoll and Zane Trew have been discussed, as have Max Holmes and Eddie Ford. The latter might end up a late pick or rookie. Jack Carroll will also be considered by the Saints.

PICK 50: ST KILDA - HENRY SMITH

Clubs: Woodville-West Torrens/South Australia

Position: Key Forward/Ruck

Size: 204cm/96kg

Bio: Smith had a strong bottom-age season that put his draft chances firmly on the radar. With a long reach and ability to play forward, Smith was often utilised deep close to goal at SANFL Under 18s level where he booted more than a goal per game on average. While he does have some work to do athletically, his ground work efforts are strong and it means he could come into consideration as a late pick/rookie.

In the mix: St Kilda may elect to pass this selection, but it seems likely they’ll aim to take a tall if they can. Eddie Ford is another name they have considered.

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Also suggests we are trying to improve our first pick to potentially pick 17. But I saw somewhere that clubs cant trade back in a pick they have already traded out.

I'll also be very disappointed if Ford is there at our 2nd pick and we pass on him.

 

[StCicatriz]

Your opinion watched him in the championships thought ceiling was huge was played mid / forward.
Just me thought he was crucified by Richardson .. I’m not the only one ... Dermie stood near me
at Sandringham said something similar ...he’s gone to back home probably to worst club as the
bloke he is competing for that role is a Brownlow medallist and Longmuir sticks him on a wing .

Richardson coached the flair out of his game , was killing Coffield the same way.
Also think Acres was pretty reliable kick for goal too...destined for career played in multiple spots.

Would‘nt be the 1st bloke to have his career in football destroyed by ineptitude.

seems Ratten has agreed with Richo and also Longmuir given he also didn't play him in the guts and had relegated him to the forward line

so who's wrong here? 3 AFL coaches and 2 different AFL clubs? or is Acres ability as an inside mid just over-rated on here