List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[Eiffel 65]

Paul Ahern delisted, anyone interested, outside mid who improved his inside work, originally drafted as a wing/half forward, highly touted junior who for whatever reason hasn't found his niche

I don't think his game style suits what we need at the moment. Hopefully he gets an opportunity elsewhere.

If we're potentially delisting BSOS, Finbar, Goddard and Moore, there might be a case to have a look at a back up utility such as Mason Wood. He would be an upgrade on those players. Have a feeling quite a few would object to that thought though.

With list sizes being reduced, there's going to be some cheap players offering improvements on what we've got. I'm kind of hoping we can get 4-5 role players that can significantly strengthen the depth on our list.

 

[Garters]

Still a big list cull to come for mine. Can take a sword to the bottom 20% of the list without skipping a beat. If there are no signs of life after 3 and 4 seasons respectively then those players have to be moved on. Not being able to look at this objectively will be the undoing of the rebuild. No other club will be standing still (North you are excused for the sake of this argument!) So you have to keep moving though those bottom 2 to 3 deciles of the list until you get it right. Just because a player is a high draft pick does not exclude said player from this. I think it was Longmire who said expectations of a kid are usually too high years 1&2 and not high enough years 3 and 4. Basically if you have not shown significant strides by year 3/4 the chances of you having a material impact are very slim history has shown.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

I don't think his game style suits what we need at the moment. Hopefully he gets an opportunity elsewhere.

If we're potentially delisting BSOS, Finbar, Goddard and Moore, there might be a case to have a look at a back up utility such as Mason Wood. He would be an upgrade on those players. Have a feeling quite a few would object to that thought though.

With list sizes being reduced, there's going to be some cheap players offering improvements on what we've got. I'm kind of hoping we can get 4-5 role players that can significantly strengthen the depth on our list.

Mason Wood is a dead-set spud, and I rarely call players that. Would avoid him like the plague.

Although the same was said about Jonesy for years, has Wood been trialed as a key back at all? Maybe like Jones he just needs the game simplified for him. Certainly has the physical attributes to be a good KPD.

 

[Arr0w]

Still a big list cull to come for mine. Can take a sword to the bottom 20% of the list without skipping a beat. If there are no signs of life after 3 and 4 seasons respectively then those players have to be moved on. Not being able to look at this objectively will be the undoing of the rebuild. No other club will be standing still (North you are excused for the sake of this argument!) So you have to keep moving though those bottom 2 to 3 deciles of the list until you get it right. Just because a player is a high draft pick does not exclude said player from this. I think it was Longmire who said expectations of a kid are usually too high years 1&2 and not high enough years 3 and 4. Basically if you have not shown significant strides by year 3/4 the chances of you having a material impact are very slim history has shown.

I still believe most base this on expectations

Forget how or where a player was selected, in the end it comes down to "do they have afl qualities"

 

[HARKER]

Paul Ahern delisted, anyone interested, outside mid who improved his inside work, originally drafted as a wing/half forward, highly touted junior who for whatever reason hasn't found his niche

We have to learn to not look at where they were taken and to think to ourselves that the other club got that players development wrong, but somehow.......we'll get them cheap and we'll get them right.

Smedts - #15
Sumner - #10
Pickett - #4
Lang - #16
Gorringe - #10
Palmer - #7
Garlett - #15

Enough proof for one lifetime, I feel.

 

[Tim H]

I literally have no memory of a Carlton team without Simmo. Absolutely shattered if the news it true.

I have not gotten over Bruce Doull yet.

 

[Arr0w]

We have to learn to not look at where they were taken and to think to ourselves that the other club got that players development wrong, but somehow.......we'll get them cheap and we'll get them right.

Smedts - #15
Sumner - #10
Pickett - #4
Lang - #16
Gorringe - #10
Palmer - #7
Garlett - #15

Enough proof for one lifetime, I feel.

It's easy to highlight only the failed

Plowman, Jones, Gibbons, Newnes, Setters, Curnow, Newman

 

[HARKER]

It's easy to highlight only the failed

Plowman, Jones, Gibbons, Newnes, Setters, Curnow, Newman

You've missed the point.

Plowman and Setterfield were first rounders and we specifically targeted them with currency and which is why I didn't include Kennedy.
The others we got cheap and were largely castaways....the same as per Ahern. That was the point.

The other names you mentioned weren't originally first rounders.

 

[Eiffel 65]

Mason Wood is a dead-set spud, and I rarely call players that. Would avoid him like the plague.

Although the same was said about Jonesy for years, has Wood been trialed as a key back at all? Maybe like Jones he just needs the game simplified for him. Certainly has the physical attributes to be a good KPD.

Not sure. Haven't really followed his career all that much to be honest. All I know is that he's had some massive games in his career and only just turned 27. One of those 'potential' types.

I've only ever seen him play forward at the top level.

He's obviously not he greatest going around, but he could fill a role, especially as a depth player. I'd be more confident lining up with Wood than BSOS, Finbar, Goddard and Moore.

Will be interesting to see what is shaken out of other clubs in the coming weeks.

 

[Arr0w]

You've missed the point.

Plowman and Setterfield were first rounders and we specifically targeted them with currency and which is why I didn't include Kennedy.
The others we got cheap and were largely castaways....the same as per Ahern. That was the point.

The other names you mentioned weren't originally first rounders.

Doesn't matter where they were draft, so no, I didn't miss the point

 

[95blues]

I just can't see us cutting up the contract of a kid that's only been in the system for one year. Terrible look.

The other rookie that may be ousted is Phillips. I like what he has to offer, but the club may see him as a project too far away.

Honey has genuine AFL quality traits and is very much what we need. Polson doesn't have one trait you can back, other than commitment. Good trait...but...

You're consistently pretty harsh on Polson.

What are these traits that Honey has?
Hes no more than an athletic experiment that the club hopes works out. Cottrel & Owies are in the same boat.

 

[Tim H]

Sounds an awful lot like Stevie J at 21yo....and Jordan DeGoey....and Dustin Martin...and Christian Petracca.....and quite a few other extreme talents at 21yo.

Also reminds me of what's his name and a hundred and thirty-seven others that I can't quite remember.

 

[katmanblue]

Honestly, a bit annoyed about list cuts.

Bet Gil's not getting a salary cut

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Also this season was probably the hardest he has had to work.

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[95blues]

If we have to cut 10, then unpopular but Honey, Ramsey and Phillips before Macreade, Polson & Kennedy.
Macreade would be the biggest mistake and a must keep. Kid is a very, very good footballer.
I still see both Polson and Kennedy currently part of our top 22 players, long term, so I’ll let it be there.

Agree with you here.

Not sure how much longer we can hold Macreadie though... talented yes, but how long does he need?

 

[Love the Drake]

Thinking we don’t cut too deep this year. 7-8 players (to fit in with AFL list reductions).

Can’t see us cutting Kennedy. Players like Honey, Ramsey, Polson, McReadie should be persevered with. I even think Moore has enough physical attributes to stay on our list.

Lang, Finbar, BSOS, Goddard are first off. Possibly Phillips, plus Simmo and Kruez. That’s 7. Owies next in line followed by Moore if further cuts required due to list reductions.

 

[HARKER]

Doesn't matter where they were draft, so no, I didn't miss the point

You've missed the point.

You're consistently pretty harsh on Polson.

What are these traits that Honey has?
Hes no more than an athletic experiment that the club hopes works out. Cottrel & Owies are in the same boat.

Why harsh though?

There is little there to work with, although it's possible for him to yet become a fringe-type workhorse.
Honey has a lot more attributes to launch from. There's no shame in that.

 

[bigm386]

Paul Ahern delisted, anyone interested, outside mid who improved his inside work, originally drafted as a wing/half forward, highly touted junior who for whatever reason hasn't found his niche

Has injury issues. Two ACLs from memory and other problems since. Has been at two clubs now.

Solid no from me we have enough injury prone players

 

[Milshouse]

We have to learn to not look at where they were taken and to think to ourselves that the other club got that players development wrong, but somehow.......we'll get them cheap and we'll get them right.

Smedts - #15
Sumner - #10
Pickett - #4
Lang - #16
Gorringe - #10
Palmer - #7
Garlett - #15

Enough proof for one lifetime, I feel.

I hear you
He has decent runs on the board though, some 30 + posession games, would come cheap, but hes being delisted for a reason
Hard to know with north as they are a bit of a shambles at the moment

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Poor de

Dumb decision but not surprised. Game has passed him now and even more so in 6 months time.

Having said that, will kick more goals than anyone else we play next year. But will take away a year of development in said player.

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Poor decision for mine -- fumbles falls over a lot, timing gone -- I like his pressure but doesn't do what his paid for and score goals-- don't forget a lot of our entries are in his direction-- I also find it amazing that we have that get out kick to TOP of square with a tall- spectators know it opposition know it but our small forwards don't-- how many times is it 3 on 1 at TOP of square in opposition favour baffles me .. So if he is there to teach others I hope he starts Doing that soon..

 

[HBF]

For sure. Then we could draft an athletic tall forward and develop him for five years and hope that he ends up as good as Harry

Spot on.
Harry is almost untouchable on our list imo

 

[Love the Drake]

The time is now for the Carlton Football Club.
We’ve got our spine sorted.
Newman/Marchbank replace Simmo.
TDK replaces Kruez.
Curnow & Kemp as top end talent to add.

Cripps and Walsh desperately need some experienced, hardened AFL players to help us take the next step. Two at a minimum.

Im not sure who’s available, but we should be targeting two of Williams, Viney, Jed Anderson, Graham, Perryman, Wines or players of a similar ilk as a priority.

Then we look at Saad, Bonner, small forwards etc.

Time to finally pull the trigger after 5 years of going to the draft.

 

[Blugazi]

The time is now for the Carlton Football Club.
We’ve got our spine sorted.
Newman/Marchbank replace Simmo.
TDK replaces Kruez.
Curnow & Kemp as top end talent to add.

Cripps and Walsh desperately need some experienced, hardened AFL players to help us take the next step. Two at a minimum.

Im not sure who’s available, but we should be targeting two of Williams, Viney, Jed Anderson, Graham, Perryman, Wines or players of a similar ilk as a priority.

Then we look at Saad, Bonner, small forwards etc.

Time to finally pull the trigger after 5 years of going to the draft.

Probably the reason SOS was shown the door and Austin brought in, time to bring in some established talent.

 

[HARKER]

When you look back on some of the players we wanted -

Devon Smith: What has happened to him? Shell of the player he was early on.

Dylan Shiel: The right type but his game is pop-gun right now.

Tomlinson: Dodged a bullet there.

Rockcliff: More bad than good.

Seems that the unluckier our misses, the better end result for us.
I guess Papley will become a bust at Sydney then.

 

[TommyPinch]

Saad is looking like an invested Carlton player kicking inside 50 out there against Melbourne atm. All high bowls.

 

[Love the Drake]

When you look back on some of the players we wanted -

Devon Smith: What has happened to him? Shell of the player he was early on.

Dylan Shiel: The right type but his game is pop-gun right now.

Tomlinson: Dodged a bullet there.

Rockcliff: More bad than good.

Seems that the unluckier our misses, the better end result for us.
I guess Papley will become a bust at Sydney then.

Add Stringer to that list.