List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[LanceRomance]

You State that Weitering and Jones aren’t isolated anywhere as much as Plowman, but that graph shows the opposite. Weitering and Jones are way out on their own in the number of one on ones they faced compared to rest of the league.

I find that graph worrying tbh, I hope this is shown to the coaches. How can our 2 key backs get isolated that much more than the rest of the league?

I would think they are well aware of it.

 

[LanceRomance]

According to who?

Everything I've read has North Melbourne offering significantly more.

Norf need to suck it up and bottom out.

 

[murphster]

Yes I’m a fan of Gibbo also. Has resilience and gives his all .


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Has also improved his small forward work under Eddies tutelage, also I think his disposal has improved and is much better than people on here give him credit for, good on both feet as well, he had 3 goal assists against Crows from some really nice kicks on both sides. I’m actually surprised Gibbo only got 1 year thought he deserved 2 at a minimum.

 

[murphster]

Is the reported 900k too much? I loved him for GWS in the middle during last yr's finals, but was hoping we would get him cheaper than that.

We are not paying him 900k it’s rumoured to be 750k for 5 years the former was what Norf offered I think.

 

[norway blue]

Agree M. I mean best player in a lower league, rookied and kept his head down then his performances in the navy blue jumper leads to his upgrade onto the senior list . He has trancended well into the top league .


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[murphster]

Midfield don't run both ways so the opposition midfield can just overlap run and get easy forward 50 entries. It's why Weiters and Jones have waaaaaaay more 1v1's compared to the rest of that list, they just get it bombed on top of their their heads game after game.

Mids since Teague took over have improved there 2 way running massively in fact it has probably been our biggest growth area, in most of the run ons against us it has been the opposition half backs pushing up through the middle that have done the damage, so if anything it is our half forwards that have been exposed in terms of defensive running not the mids.

 

[Jeremias]

What makes you think he's elite, or perhaps how many elite players do you think there are? To me he's probably on par with someone like Doc, which I wouldn't call elite. Perhaps I haven't seen enough of him.

I think it's similar to Martin last year. A lot of people won't realize just how good he is until he's wearing navy blue.

Think of anything you want from a running defender. He does it and he does it to a very high standard.

As for number of elite players, probably a pointless discussion - it's a very subjective term.

Scoops Maclure said in the Age our offer was bigger than Norf's, not sure how true that is though.

Sam usually gets pretty good mail when it comes to Carlton, but there have been plenty of others saying differently.

I'm inclined to believe we're not offering the most money, because we've just been through that as a club. We were literally in North's position just a few years back.

Way more I think they offered 900k whereas our deal is 5 years at 750k.

Probably not all that far off, though watch the media have a complete meltdown when there's an acknowledgement that we're paying a huge sum in his first year to clear it off the books early.

It happened with Martin, and you bet it'll happen again with Williams.

Norf need to suck it up and bottom out.

They do. And I think they've finally recognized that.

They've done the right thing by putting their name in the ring for Williams, but he was never realistically going there. As above - they're now in a position we're very familiar with because we've been through it not all that long ago.

 

[DangerousD]

What’s the hold up with Willo? Played nearly all season and is currently in signed, strange.

 

[murphster]

Just to address the elephant in the room, Jones is stiff to miss out on the AA squad of 40.

Not as stiff as Sam Walsh, how they can have McLuggage in the squad and not Walsh is baffling, had very similar numbers halfway through the season but since then Walsh’s numbers have continued to rise and McLuggages haven’t, Walsh easily had the better year on the wing. The fact that Butters is in the squad is just bizarre.

Other one which is just plain biased crap is having the King twins in the 22 under22 team over Harry McKay, saw that one coming from a mile away, just ridiculous. Couldn’t even fit Setters in the squad, pathetic.

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Not as stiff as Sam Walsh, how they can have McLuggage in the squad and not Walsh is baffling, had very similar numbers halfway through the season but since then Walsh’s numbers have continued to rise and McLuggages haven’t, Walsh easily had the better year on the wing.

Other one which is just plain biased crap is having the King twins in the 22 under22 team over Harry McKay, saw that one coming from a mile away, just ridiculous. Couldn’t even fit Setters in the squad, pathetic.

To be fair, the midfield was absolutely stacked in this year's 22 under 22, as good as Setters is I'm not sure who I'd remove for him from that original squad.

 

[THE_GUN]

But he’s never really played as a full time mid at Richmond and he’s still only 22 Geth, been used defensively when played as a mid and spent a lot of time forward and some on a wing, has attributes we need especially with an aging Murph and Ed to replace, I think he could be used in a more offensive role by us while still retaining his defensive attributes, plus he has the trench warrior mentality which we desperately need. I just think he is the exact young under utilised resource that we should be looking for to improve our list and could develop into a very good player in our side.

JUst a little bit of information about Graham
I think it was david King who mentioned a stat yesterday regarding Jack Graham who has the most pressure acts in the AFL by a margin he said and he sacrifices his own game for the benefit of the game style.

In 2019 Richmonds top 4 midielders in 20 minute quarters so you would need to make a 20% adjustment
Shane Edwards 21.9 disposals
Trent Cotchin 19.8 disposals
Dion Prestia 27.4
Dustin Martin 26.1

Jack Graham's role in the Richmond midfield is to tackle , create turnover , pressure and block , There was the essendon game this year where cotch played limited minutes coming back from an injury where we actually see a different role for Graham as an actual ball winner rather than a defensive mid
he collected 23 disposals. So i would be thinking in a different set up that type of performances would be around the mark.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

One guy that has been rarely mentioned who I think will come in right away and be best 22 - potentially pushing Rowell for RS next year...

Brodie Kemp.

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As I said in my original post Graham has mainly been used in defensive roles but I believe he has huge upside offensively as he has a good tank, he’s a good kick, reasonable speed and can play multiple roles including the wing, just because Richmond have a lot of offensive players and therefore use Graham more defensively doesn’t mean that he can’t be more of an offensive piece in another side, which I think he can develop into a more offensive version of Ed or as I stated a hybrid of Ed and Murph.

I see him progressing like Steele from saints ..

 

[FairKouta]

JUst a little bit of information about Graham
I think it was david King who mentioned a stat yesterday regarding Jack Graham who has the most pressure acts in the AFL by a margin he said and he sacrifices his own game for the benefit of the game style.

In 2019 Richmonds top 4 midielders in 20 minute quarters so you would need to make a 20% adjustment
Shane Edwards 21.9 disposals
Trent Cotchin 19.8 disposals
Dion Prestia 27.4
Dustin Martin 26.1

Jack Graham's role in the Richmond midfield is to tackle , create turnover , pressure and block , There was the essendon game this year where cotch played limited minutes coming back from an injury where we actually see a different role for Graham as an actual ball winner rather than a defensive mid
he collected 23 disposals. So i would be thinking in a different set up that type of performances would be around the mark.

While we have you here mate what’s the go with him ? Is he planning to leave or is he staying ?

 

[ParapMarkets]

JUst a little bit of information about Graham
I think it was david King who mentioned a stat yesterday regarding Jack Graham who has the most pressure acts in the AFL by a margin he said and he sacrifices his own game for the benefit of the game style.

In 2019 Richmonds top 4 midielders in 20 minute quarters so you would need to make a 20% adjustment
Shane Edwards 21.9 disposals
Trent Cotchin 19.8 disposals
Dion Prestia 27.4
Dustin Martin 26.1

Jack Graham's role in the Richmond midfield is to tackle , create turnover , pressure and block , There was the essendon game this year where cotch played limited minutes coming back from an injury where we actually see a different role for Graham as an actual ball winner rather than a defensive mid
he collected 23 disposals. So i would be thinking in a different set up that type of performances would be around the mark.

They Showed the pressure acts stats on “On the couch” too to pump up Viney’s defensive work (I think Viney was 4th in the league). Graham was well on top, it has piqued my interest.

 

[THE_GUN]

While we have you here mate what’s the go with him ? Is he planning to leave or is he staying ?

I did answer the same question a few pages back but will do again

I personally dont think he will leave and we want to keep him (fans & club) and we will most likely have a contract 3-4 years at around 350k imo
chances are there will be better offers from essendon,carlton,crows who all seem to be into him but i think he will stay and if he does leave most likely back to SA and crows

He is considered a leader of sorts and is exactly the type you build clubs around, But if somehow Carlton do manage to get him we will all be spewing and you would have got a great honest player and club man similar to how Ed Curnow is held at Carlton i would say.

 

[Manhattanite]

I did answer the same question a few pages back but will do again

I personally dont think he will leave and we want to keep him (fans & club) and we will most likely have a contract 3-4 years at around 350k imo
chances are there will be better offers from essendon,carlton,crows who all seem to be into him but i think he will stay and if he does leave most likely back to SA and crows

He is considered a leader of sorts and is exactly the type you build clubs around, But if somehow Carlton do manage to get him we will all be spewing and you would have got a great honest player and club man similar to how Ed Curnow is held at Carlton i would say.

Thanks for posting again - the club is probably looking at Graham as the replacement for Ed long-term which is probably why we only have Ed a one year contract despite him being second in the B&F in 2019 and should be top 5 in 2020. We should be offering Graham more so he picks us over the Crows. We need players like him who keep everyone honest and who set the tempo for pressure.

My best guess is because Graham won’t be available to talk to for over a month the club will first try to get Viney and if we don’t then Graham is the backup. We really do need one of the two of them for the longer term.




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[THE_GUN]

Thanks for posting again - the club is probably looking at Graham as the replacement for Ed long-term which is probably why we only have Ed a one year contract despite him being second in the B&F in 2019 and should be top 5 in 2020. We should be offering Graham more so he picks us over the Crows. We need players like him who keep everyone honest and who set the tempo for pressure.

My best guess is because Graham won’t be available to talk to for over a month the club will first try to get Viney and if we don’t then Graham is the backup. We really do need one of the two of them for the longer term.




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Could be but like i mentioned it would need to be a pretty good offer as Richmond really wont want to lose him.
He is the type of player the you will have people bagging him (which i have seen already in threads here and the crows board) but as with most people who watch him live you will appreciate him more.

I noticed with some comments that some blues supporters dont want him because he doesnt get alot or averages 15 possessions
But in 11 games this year Zac Williams has averaged just 2 possessions more (he is a good player and good get imo)

just find it funny how some people look at players

 

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I certainly hope he's wrong about that.


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[Milshouse]

Players on our list like newman, newnes, betts, casboult are there fill holes for now, they are variety of experience, flexibility, seasoned, footsoldiers, which ever it is they are there until we fill those voids either internally with upcoming youngsters or through trade, not world beaters but have a role for now, they will be replaced over the next 1-3 years and thats when will really push teams and rise up the ladder, development and smart trading rom here

 

[DamianBis]

Maybe read the post you quoted?
Short kicks that hit targets in the forwadline are much better than what we were doing this year.

I read the post. He doesn't hit targets.

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[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Could be but like i mentioned it would need to be a pretty good offer as Richmond really wont want to lose him.
He is the type of player the you will have people bagging him (which i have seen already in threads here and the crows board) but as with most people who watch him live you will appreciate him more.

I noticed with some comments that some blues supporters dont want him because he doesnt get alot or averages 15 possessions
But in 11 games this year Zac Williams has averaged just 2 possessions more (he is a good player and good get imo)

just find it funny how some people look at players

With your ageing midfield why do think you guys aren’t offering him a decent contract?

 

[The Greek Freak]

With your ageing midfield why do think you guys aren’t offering him a decent contract?

They don't have the cap

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

They don't have the cap

They have just had Rance retire and Riewoldt, Edwards, Houli and less so Cotchin are close to the end. At worst should be on reduced contracts.
They probably need a mids more then anything else, if they rate him highly then for the sake of a $100k surely they can work
out a way to keep him.

 

[COBALT BLUE]

Don’t be sorry. Polson is a serviceable VFL player on a good day


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Polson actually has elite pace.....god dam cfc has put a lot of work into him and found what posi he can work....

I think someone might pick him up.....?

 

[CJMB]

I read the post. He doesn't hit targets.

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You’re talking about the guy with our 3rd highest disposal efficiency, right?

The same guy who does the short kicks, so he’s not getting the effective disposal stat for the long 40m+ kick down the line?