List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[skadoosh]

This sums up Saad

Not one Bomber player even trying to get in position for a handball receive there and he runs through the middle of the ground.
I surely hope if we get him, he'd get the deserved support after breaking a line or two. You can see every single Bomber player just jogging back towards their forward line with a North player right on top. You can see him look down the ground for options numerous times...

 

[SkyhorseTamer]

Completely ridiculous comparison, they are different players in every facet. McGovern has had plenty of opportunity to get his body right, and he was fit as a fiddle for those final few rounds where he either looked dis-interested or simply had no ability to find the footy. IMO McGovern peaked at Adelaide and we were sold a lemon, i actually just think he is not a very good footballer.. He is a 3rd tall, but in our forward line he is behind Curnow, McKay, Levi, JSOS for that role..

He's not fit as a fiddle, watch his Adelaide games. He was actually a pressure forward who would do the unbelievable leaps over packs every 2nd week. We saw none of that, he's struggling with repeat efforts due to lack of strength in his legs would be my guess. Back issues are ****ed for flexibility and fitness and take ages to come good.

Disinterested is rubbish, if he was disinterested he'd not be picked and wouldn't have got himself down to the right weight, btw the right weight doesn't mean the right fitness either.

 

[Juice030103]

This sums up Saad

I’d take him. HAVE U SEEN HOW SLOW OUR BACKLINE IS AT TIMES

 

[Mr_Plow]

Huh. Didn't get a notification for the ping. From playing experience and such I'm not worried about gov whatsoever. He's young enough to get the repeat effort ability back and that's all he needs. His skills are awesome.

Also, in response to said ping, not something I can comment on with any authority, unfortunately.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

This sums up Saad

Put Harry on the end of that and we’re laughing.

 

[Arr0w]

I’d take him. HAVE U SEEN HOW SLOW OUR BACKLINE IS AT TIMES

Footskills are the key

Hawks 3 flags, overall lack of pace, same as the Cats

Tigers have pace, but it's a chaos ball with a bucket load of front and square or they hit targets

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Saad obviously doesn’t turn the ball over much or not noticeably compared to other top Hb’s and he has more score involvements then the AA HB’s and players like Williams and Doc. Say what you like about his kicking but he is a bigger attacking weapon then these so called good kicks/decision makers and he does it while not turning it over a hell of a lot.
Put Harry and Curnow ahead of him and he would cause some serious headaches for opposition sides.

 

[Arr0w]

Put Harry on the end of that and we’re laughing.

On the end? Out to the boundary?

No thanks

Better, cheaper options

 

[Smegger]

Has Constable been discussed?

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

On the end? Out to the boundary?

No thanks

Better, cheaper options

Harry won’t lead to the boundary.That Essendon forward line is a mess.

Yarran used to play the same way and we loved him for it, except Saad is a better defender.

Plenty of cheaper options, highly doubt there’s anything better.

 

[Arr0w]

Harry won’t lead to the boundary.That Essendon forward line is a mess.

Yarran used to play the same way and we loved him for it, except Saad is a better defender.

Plenty of cheaper options, highly doubt there’s anything better.

Bummers have had plenty of speed off HB, Daniher, so far has had a better output per game than Harry or Charlie, yet they are no better than a mid table side

Give me footskills first, speed second

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Bummers have had plenty of speed off HB, Daniher, so far has had a better output per game than Harry or Charlie, yet they are no better than a mid table side

Give me footskills first, speed second

I reckon a 3-4 of Doc, Newman, Williamson and Saad, not to mention Weitering, would give us a great mix of both.

Our projected backline without Simpson seems quite slow. Newman will help but we do need an extra line breaker.

This assuming Williams plays predominantly through the middle.

 

[Jimmae]

Also, in response to said ping, not something I can comment on with any authority, unfortunately.

I'll take it with a disclaimer.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Bummers have had plenty of speed off HB, Daniher, so far has had a better output per game than Harry or Charlie, yet they are no better than a mid table side

Give me footskills first, speed second

If he isn’t turning the ball over and is elite for a backman for score involvements then I don’t see the benefit of being a good kick rather then his traits. Good ball users off HB don’t seem to be generating more scores. His kicking also isn’t poor, just not a weapon.
Even look at someone like JJ for the dogs. Has so many faults yet his pace off HB destroys sides. He has almost the exact same amount of score involvements as probably the best user in the game, his teammate Daniel. Per possession he is more damaging. As long as the ball isn’t getting turned over (which Saad doesn’t) then speed seems to be every bit as important.

 

[Macca43]

Cut through an entire press with his own two feet. Insane.

I would like to see which player gets the defensive forward between him and Docherty and how much damage the other could do.

 

[Arr0w]

If he isn’t turning the ball over and is elite for a backman for score involvements then I don’t see the benefit of being a good kick rather then his traits. Good ball users off HB don’t seem to be generating more scores. His kicking also isn’t poor, just not a weapon.
Even look at someone like JJ for the dogs. Has so many faults yet his pace off HB destroys sides. He has almost the exact same amount of score involvements as probably the best user in the game, his teammate Daniel. Per possession he is more damaging. As long as the ball isn’t getting turned over (which Saad doesn’t) then speed seems to be every bit as important.

Saad isn't in the top 100 for scoring involvements and Ed Curnow and Levi are, would you consider them good users?

 

[Macca43]

Saad isn't in the top 100 for scoring involvements and Ed Curnow and Levi are, would you consider them good users?

Can you filter that to only include player from the back half?

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Saad isn't in the top 100 for scoring involvements and Ed Curnow and Levi are, would you consider them good users?

That’s because not many scores are actually setup from HB despite popular belief. He is elite as a HB. Having good ball users back there is only beneficial in not turning the ball over. The hardest part is getting through the zone then that’s when scores are setup, it doesn’t seem to matter whether it’s just to a contest or not and that’s why line breaking pace back there is every bit as important as a good ball user. (As long as they aren’t turning it over)

 

[Michael Jezz]

I’d take him. HAVE U SEEN HOW SLOW OUR BACKLINE IS AT TIMES

We had yarran and armfield to get us through 2011 and armfield was half the player saad is and yarran maybe a touch better. Cottrel and Saad similar

 

[BlueZombie]

Has Constable been discussed?

He was discussed on the Blue Abroad show this arvo.

 

[Arr0w]

Can you filter that to only include player from the back half?

Difficult task as some players switch their time at both ends

As a pure HB, he would be top 3, but that's only taking into account the bummers gameplan

 

[Arr0w]

That’s because not many scores are actually setup from HB despite popular belief. He is elite as a HB. Having good ball users back there is only beneficial in not turning the ball over. The hardest part is getting through the zone then that’s when scores are setup, it doesn’t seem to matter whether it’s just to a contest or not and that’s why line breaking pace back there is every bit as important as a good ball user. (As long as they aren’t turning it over)

Saad isn't an elite user by foot, despite the padded stats

 

[Arr0w]

Saad is also rated top 50 for turnovers

 

[DangerousD]

This sums up Saad

Even though I see where you’re going here, he misses his target clearly, what he also does is, breaks the game open, run the ball from defensive 50 to a forward 50 entry in a few seconds, totally catches the opposition by surprise, allows his forwards to present to him, kicks to his team mates advantage.

Whilst he misses the target, there is a lot more positives there.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Saad isn't an elite user by foot, despite the padded stats

And it doesn’t matter at all because he has more impact with only handy disposal then players with elite disposal.
Having good disposal at HB doesn’t seem to create scores.