List Mgmt. 2020 List Management II

[HARKER]

I won't let this pass

You are a liar Harks and have form of backing out of a debate, when someone actually detects and calls out your bs

You said - This will be my last comment on the matter
...and you're calling me a liar. Shame on you.

 

[SBYM]

This is not what I log on for.

Blergh.

 

[HARKER]

This is not what I log on for.

Blergh.

It's OK. If someone had just accepted my offer r not, it wouldn't have been drawn out.

I'm sure we all have better things to talk about than to again get personal on football forums (me included) Pretty silly really

 

[gbatman]

One if not two of Betts, Fisher, Gibbons and Fogarty will miss out.

Next to no chance Betts isn't picked to play his 200th for us R1, however I really hope we don't see Betts for much more than 10 games or so next year if form is similar to this year. Would not like to see him taking games from Fisher and Fogarty all year.

Interested to see how Fisher, Gibbons and Fogarty gel though. Gibbons really improved his forward craft this year, but id like to see them all rotate through the middle for short periods.

I have wanted to see Gibbons play center more. Problem is half forwards especially ones who play high, in modern footy its a hard running role. Pretty much an outside forward running midfield role so you're not getting fresh legs rotating from there.

Fisher, if he improves his physicality and Fogarty if fit could be good options.

Funny thing with Betts this year was the only thing wrong with him was his hands. Still could run, forward pressure was good and got in dangerous positions but fumbled a lot. It's not really an old age thing unless its from not training much between games because he's old and his body isn't pulling up. Either way I'd like to see players good form push him out.

All those players have good and not so good traits, it'll just come down to form and fitness.

 

[iAsbestos]

Hey guys, got a few days off and I have some ideas for my next article, but will only have time to do one.

Would you rather see me write about:

Why we should get excited about Brodie Kemp

Why Williamson should play wing in 2021

Why Williams will make it as a midfielder.

You can let me know what you think here, or you can answer the poll I have up on my Twitter:

Thanks guys!

Would love a write up on Kemp

 

[new_blue]

Looking at the free agent list for next year, the 2 names that pop out are Josh Kelly and Zack Merrett.

Both are RFA and should cost a similar amount in terms of trade collateral and salary.

If Walsh continues his development to an inside mid and we see further development from Setters, then I’d lean towards Kelly.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I have wanted to see Gibbons play center more. Problem is half forwards especially ones who play high, in modern footy its a hard running role. Pretty much an outside forward running midfield role so you're not getting fresh legs rotating from there.

Fisher, if he improves his physicality and Fogarty if fit could be good options.

Funny thing with Betts this year was the only thing wrong with him was his hands. Still could run, forward pressure was good and got in dangerous positions but fumbled a lot. It's not really an old age thing unless its from not training much between games because he's old and his body isn't pulling up. Either way I'd like to see players good form push him out.

All those players have good and not so good traits, it'll just come down to form and fitness.

I expected Betts to fall off a cliff last year but he truly surprised me because as you say, the only thing he done wrong was fumble. If he can get his touch back next year he could be very handy.
Also agree that now days you only rest mids forward if they are playing deep. If they can’t play deep then they go from mid to bench

 

[DirkDiggler]

Hey guys, got a few days off and I have some ideas for my next article, but will only have time to do one.

Would you rather see me write about:

Why we should get excited about Brodie Kemp

Why Williamson should play wing in 2021

Why Williams will make it as a midfielder.

You can let me know what you think here, or you can answer the poll I have up on my Twitter:

Thanks guys!

A Kemp write up would be nice. There is a lot of hype about him for a player who hasn't played much in recent times however Carlton supporters are capable of eating their own should they not produce immediately. I would prefer he would start the season as an on baller in the VFL until he earns a spot in the seniors. Would love to see him playing in the guts alongside Dow and Stocker. Nothing like competition to accelerate player development

 

[Ash24]

Windows certainties (injury permitting) for round one:

Jones Weiters Doc Plow Saad
Crippa Walsh Setters Murph Ed Williams
McKay Casboult (if CC out) Martin

Highly likely:
Gibbo Fog Fish Marchy SPS Betts Newnes Willo TDK MCG

Good chance (presuming more than a couple out injured/kill preseason):
Philp kemp Newman cunners SOS Newman

Outside chance (would have to tear up preseason or we have a lot of Injuries):
Pitto Dow LOB Honey Cottrell Macreadie Stocker

Big Gap to Ramsay (probable delist next year)

No hope/possible delist now:
Phillips Owies Moore Kennedy Polson

I think I’d delist Kennedy. Harsh maybe. But I don’t see him threatening for games. Save the salary. I’d def delist Polson. I’d def keep Macreadie. I would possibly re-rookie Phillips. I’d let Moore and Owies go too.

I don’t ever recall having almost no one on the ‘def delist next year’ list. It’s Ramsay and Betts at this stage. Probably Murph.

Incredible.

Nice work. Personally wouldn't call Murphy a lock on rd 1, but he is a decent chance. Also, I wouldn't delist Kennedy and I highly doubt the club will, because they would've put him up for a trade. While we haven't seen the best of Dow, Stocker or Kemp yet, I would keep Kennedy for our inside mid stocks.

 

[Jeremias]

Looking at the free agent list for next year, the 2 names that pop out are Josh Kelly and Zack Merrett.

Both are RFA and should cost a similar amount in terms of trade collateral and salary.

If Walsh continues his development to an inside mid and we see further development from Setters, then I’d lean towards Kelly.

Kelly v Merrett, I would go for the latter.

Kelly at his best is the better footballer, but he is also far more injury prone.

Merrett doesn't miss a lot of football. He would be the perfect addition to our midfield.

 

[BlueJet]

I would definitely rather Merrett - Jelly has become one of the most overrated and overpaid footballers after not really going on with it after showing immense promise early on.
Couple his September no-shows & injuries with his tendency to be seemingly open to moving every other year & I'd have him well down my wishlist.

 

[iAsbestos]

Kelly v Merrett, I would go for the latter.

Kelly at his best is the better footballer, but he is also far more injury prone.

Merrett doesn't miss a lot of football. He would be the perfect addition to our midfield.

Spot on Kelly misses to many games Merret would be perfect for us!

 

[The Bighouse]

Nice work. Personally wouldn't call Murphy a lock on rd 1, but he is a decent chance. Also, I wouldn't delist Kennedy and I highly doubt the club will, because they would've put him up for a trade. While we haven't seen the best of Dow, Stocker or Kemp yet, I would keep Kennedy for our inside mid stocks.

As a list management decision, thought it was strange for Murphy to go around again (300 club). DT will play him, though other midfielders need to usurp him at selection.

List numbers playing on trades & MK a victim of that, and could still well be from our LM perspective, though his manager had conversations for re-signing. Interest likely elsewhere if not at CFC but we could see either stacked rookie lists of DFA’s or some unlucky players having a year in lower leagues in 2021.

 

[Juddernaut08]

I wish I shared your optimism for Fogarty as a small forward. Just don't see it. There has got to be more to the role than just the ability to apply forward pressure.

On another note, after having had some time to reflect on our trading, think Jayden Stephenson would have fitted in well as a hf with his pace. Would have preferred we had taken his salary dump and traded out a second rounder and a future third.

Me too. I think theres a tendency not to trade with archrivals and/or threats.

 

[bmaurizio]

Plenty of AFL team lists are bloated and will need to be reduced, as per new AFL initiatives, aligning teams to increase professionalism and higher quality standards, it’s the only way the completion can flourish going forward.

 

[new_blue]

Kelly v Merrett, I would go for the latter.

Kelly at his best is the better footballer, but he is also far more injury prone.

Merrett doesn't miss a lot of football. He would be the perfect addition to our midfield.

I like Merrett too. Was a close call.

My line of thinking however is that we’ll have the players at the coal face that can extract the ball, win the clearance, etc. What we’re missing is that outside class, run and carry player that works hard both ways....an Isaac Smith

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Isaac Smith

Age

36

Ht

188cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.4

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.4

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.3

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.5

3star

CL

1.3

4star

D

19.2

5star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

7.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.6

3star

or Craig Bradley type.

Imagine that...having Bradles running around. Geez he was good. That gets the juices flowing.

 

[gbatman]

I expected Betts to fall off a cliff last year but he truly surprised me because as you say, the only thing he done wrong was fumble. If he can get his touch back next year he could be very handy.
Also agree that now days you only rest mids forward if they are playing deep. If they can’t play deep then they go from mid to bench

It was strange, his hands have always been one of his strengths. Did not expect that to be the thing that lets him down. It took away so many of his scoring opportunities. His kicking for goal at times let him down too which is another of his bread and butter things. Athletically he was fine.

That's absolutely right. Half back and half forward are pretty much midfield roles.

We have some players who can play deep forward and midfield. Martin is one. The ones doing the forward/mid role are the good overhead strong tallish types. Dustin Martin, Dangerfield etc.

IMO Cripps is a good candidate. Has no trouble winning the ball up forward but his goal kicking must improve. IMO it could but he needs to train for it.

Another prospect for the role is Kemp and Silvagni. Depends what level they play at.

 

[Ash24]

IMO Cripps is a good candidate. Has no trouble winning the ball up forward but his goal kicking must improve. IMO it could but he needs to train for it.

Another prospect for the role is Kemp and Silvagni. Depends what level they play at.

I had high expectations of Dow and O'Brien when they first arrived, and look how that's turned out. Especially after his knee reconstruction, I'm not putting any pressure on the kid.

In terms of Silvagni, I think he's so valuable to the team and the mid-forward role he plays. In terms of help for Cripps, this is as good as it gets but it's up to the coaches to realise that too. It's time we put some pressure off Cripps and let him spend time up forward while leaving JSOS in the guts. But that just leaves one problem, if the Silvagni-Cripps combo will serve as our third key forward (assuming we're fully fit with Charlie and Harry), who is our ruck relief?

 

[Juddernaut08]

Do we have the services of a lawyer who specialises in contract law on this forum? Was an interesting exchange. To be honest dont like seeing bets arranged on this forum. Now getting back to my last post, do we trade our draft picks back for a higher draft pick on draft day?

You cannot accept an offer if you add or subtract anything from what was presented. Any modification is considered a counteroffers

Eg Person A: Ill buy your car for $100.

Person B: Yes, Ill accept your offer to buy it for $110.

On balance it looks like neither of them ever had a clean acceptance and there was no meeting of the minds. If forced to find the thing closest to an agreement, it was when Harks first mentioned the word "bet" and arrow said "yes because".

But I think more likely no one has agreed to anything and it's just two long term posters having a bit of argy bargy.

 

[Juddernaut08]

I had high expectations of Dow and O'Brien when they first arrived, and look how that's turned out. Especially after his knee reconstruction, I'm not putting any pressure on the kid.

In terms of Silvagni, I think he's so valuable to the team and the mid-forward role he plays. In terms of help for Cripps, this is as good as it gets but it's up to the coaches to realise that too. It's time we put some pressure off Cripps and let him spend time up forward while leaving JSOS in the guts. But that just leaves one problem, if the Silvagni-Cripps combo will serve as our third key forward (assuming we're fully fit with Charlie and Harry), who is our ruck relief?

One ruck option that hasn't been discussed much is the defender ruck.

With Marchbank coming back into the team, one option is for him to start on the bench and play most of his minutes as KPD filling in for liam and the rest we a wingman-type.

Liam could fill in for TDK while we still have a solid defense in Weiters Marchy Plowman.

That way we dont need to have one of the forwards ruck.

Very unlikely to happen though.

 

[Blues90]

Looking at the free agent list for next year, the 2 names that pop out are Josh Kelly and Zack Merrett.

Both are RFA and should cost a similar amount in terms of trade collateral and salary.

If Walsh continues his development to an inside mid and we see further development from Setters, then I’d lean towards Kelly.

Its ok to have a team of mids that are balanced and not just inside or just outside mids... but I would be leaning towards Kelly regardless

 

[BlueHulk]

Any news on Crippa's or H's contracts?

 

[zeeCFC]

Any news on Crippa's or H's contracts?

Club and players waiting on list sizes and cap to be finalised.

 

[BlueHulk]

Club and players waiting on list sizes and cap to be finalised.

Thanks Z

 

[bmaurizio]

I’m expecting a up to 3 delisting s in line with new AFL policy.