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[Arr0w]

Actually Arr0w you made me second guess myself. I am a big fan of Kelly and think that he would be a great compliment to Cripps and half of me would happily give up 2 first round picks for half a decade plus of service, but, although old data, it would statistically be sacrificing two players who should give out over a lot of games collectively in the future.

You'd want to be very, very sure you had all the pieces in place.

Very small percentage of players, continue beyond 30, percentage reduces further, of his type

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Great player, but we need finishers, which he is not, so he ain't worth 2 1st rounders, considering a number of factors

 

[Curnivore]

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Great player, but we need finishers, which he is not, so he ain't worth 2 1st rounders, considering a number of factors

You are winning me over. If the club and core group truly believe there time is now and jump on Kelly I'd have no issue with it, but would be happy to walk away if the price isn't right.

 

[Jeremias]

Yes. Especially when I read posts saying we've got enough kids and that hitting the draft with a first rounder will be a failed trade period/off-season.

From what I've seen this is an extreme view held by few, and even then you're misrepresenting it insofar as nobody seems to be suggesting we give up everything we've got to trade as a result.

Showing a preference to trade a first round pick for an established gun is not the same as suggesting we've got enough kids and don't need any more.

It is hardly the view of the majority who seem to be aligned that Papley is an outstanding footballer who would be a great fit, but not someone you're going to sell the farm for.

The reality is if the club believes they now need to bring in top echelon experienced players - and I think it's very clear they do - there is room to do both.

Don't have tunnel vision. Just think there are more pressing needs given the emergence of Fisher in our forward line.

And yet you're doing everything you can to try and convince yourself he's not a very good footballer.

It will be very interesting to see if you change your tune should we land him for a very reasonable price.

As for the 'emergence' of Fisher in our forward line, he has kicked 4 goals this season and all came in the one game. I am a huge fan but it's a massive stretch to compare him to Papley.

 

[Own The Future]

I said......

Are you saying we ARE the club who are reported to have offered him 3 years?
Or are you saying we SHOULD chase him?

 

[thylacine60]

I'm saying I SHAN'T be ignored....

 

[Eiffel 65]

From what I've seen this is an extreme view held by few, and even then you're misrepresenting it insofar as nobody seems to be suggesting we give up everything we've got to trade as a result.

Showing a preference to trade a first round pick for an established gun is not the same as suggesting we've got enough kids and don't need any more.

It is hardly the view of the majority who seem to be aligned that Papley is an outstanding footballer who would be a great fit, but not someone you're going to sell the farm for.

The reality is if the club believes they now need to bring in top echelon experienced players - and I think it's very clear they do - there is room to do both.



And yet you're doing everything you can to try and convince yourself he's not a very good footballer.

It will be very interesting to see if you change your tune should we land him for a very reasonable price.

As for the 'emergence' of Fisher in our forward line, he has kicked 4 goals this season and all came in the one game. I am a huge fan but it's a massive stretch to compare him to Papley.

Papley is a good player, but I clearly rate Fisher a lot higher than you and don't feel the need for Papley is as great as what some on here think. Just watch Fisher with a full preseason training as a small forward. He'll take his game to the next level.

I won't be changing my opinion regardless of whether a trade takes place or not.

If we get Papley, much like we did McGovern, I'll like him because he's wearing navy blue, but that doesn't mean that he was my first preference or I particularly wanted him at Carlton either. I'll support the club regardless of the decisions they make.

I always look for value and not the most obvious selections during trade period. 2 years ago I was pushing for us to take Shane McAdam and Josh Corbett with our supplementary picks instead of chasing Mitch McGovern. Collins was the other one worth looking at but we probably didn't need another KPD of his age profile given the makeup of our list at the time. I won't be deviating from that stance either. Lets see how that one plays out. Not to mention we also could have traded up to take Duursma or taken an additional 2 x second rounders to the draft should we not have secured McGovern.

I was also a big advocate of Setterfield over Shiel (I'm not going to change my stance on that position either) and am currently pushing for Caldwell as our #1 target, with Williams #2 overall (but #1 for players in the 24-27 year old bracket).

Biggest priorities for mine are a quality running defender and speedy midfielder. Caldwell and Williams fit those profiles.

If we want a small forward, go for the hat-trick of GWS players and look at Ian Hill. It's probably not realistic but we should be able to secure at least one of them with the impending cap squeeze.

 

[BLUEALLTHRU]

I'm saying I SHAN'T be ignored....

what was that?

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Why? Going after Williams shouldn't make any difference to targeting Papley as well.

With papley how much money in forward line curnow Martin McKay papley mcgovern

 

[Eiffel 65]

You are winning me over. If the club and core group truly believe there time is now and jump on Kelly I'd have no issue with it, but would be happy to walk away if the price isn't right.

You're a smart man Curnivore

 

[Curnivore]

You're a smart man Curnivore

If you think I am a smart man then you clearly are not

 

[DangerousD]

Really dumb article.

What if we took Fyfe instead of Kane Lucas? What if we had kicked straighter in the semifinal against WCE?

No point looking at hypotheticals.

What is dumb about an article that clearly outlines that we toured a bloke leaving his interstate club and was offering the pick we used on Cripps?
It is totally different to a, what if we picked Fyfe over Lucas.

 

[DangerousD]

Actually Arr0w you made me second guess myself. I am a big fan of Kelly and think that he would be a great compliment to Cripps and half of me would happily give up 2 first round picks for half a decade plus of service, but, although old data, it would statistically be sacrificing two players who should give out over a lot of games collectively in the future.

You'd want to be very, very sure you had all the pieces in place.

As you are being technical, its not sacrificing two players. Going off previous trades, all of the trades that give two first rounders, have got a second rounder back.

You give two firsts but get Kelly and a second back, the Pies cleaned up in the Treloar trade as they picked well. If you get a second round like we did a few years ago where Witherden, Parfit, Fisher and Bolton all went in the 20s, then happy days.

 

[TheLeftFooters]

With papley how much money in forward line curnow Martin McKay papley mcgovern

Footy wire says McGovern is out of contracted this year

 

[Curnivore]

As you are being technical, its not sacrificing two players. Going off previous trades, all of the trades that give two first rounders, have got a second rounder back.

You give two firsts but get Kelly and a second back, the Pies cleaned up in the Treloar trade as they picked well. If you get a second round like we did a few years ago where Witherden, Parfit, Fisher and Bolton all went in the 20s, then happy days.

I see merit in both sides. A few days ago I said I'd expect a 2nd back if we traded two firsts for Kelly. Fact is that I see everything from every angle and should be given a job at Carlton

 

[Stamos]

If something like this were to arise obviously he is a perfect replacement for Simpson, but where do you see Newman fitting? Let me preface that I am in no way saying we shouldn't go for Williams, he was one of my favourite players to watch in 2019!

Newman is a depth player

 

[Curnivore]

Newman is a depth player

I think he is best 22 and his output is very similar to Simmo this year. We will find out next year who's right

 

[Stamos]

I think he is best 22 and his output is very similar to Simmo this year. We will find out next year who's right

He's poor defensively, not quick, and is an inconsistent kick. He's ok, but we should be aiming to have a better back 7 than him.

 

[Curnivore]

He's poor defensively, not quick, and is an inconsistent kick. He's ok, but we should be aiming to have a better back 7 than him.

His output last year and the year before are a lot better then Simmos output this year. Doc being back would help my case but I hope you are pleasantly surprised.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Not sure why Fish is being directly compared to Papley. Yes he played a great game in a forward pocket a few weeks ago but over 22 games I don’t think he will ever reach the heights Papley can and most likely will.

From what we’ve seen Fisher projects as a Shane Edwards type high half forward/secondary mid and not a pure small forward.

Getting Papley would not only instantly improve our forward line, it’d also allow Fish, Cuners and Martin to move up the ground and deliver it in, instead of having them too close to goal because we simply lack natural forward pockets.

If we picked a player like Papley at 9-12 we’d be stoked. Tack some extra on the deal because he’s contracted and ready and get it done.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Not sure why Fish is being directly compared to Papley. Yes he played a great game in a forward pocket a few weeks ago but over 22 games I don’t think he will ever reach the heights Papley can and most likely will.

From what we’ve seen Fisher projects as a Shane Edwards type high half forward/secondary mid and not a pure small forward.

Getting Papley would not only instantly improve our forward line, it’d also allow Fish, Cuners and Martin to move up the ground and deliver it in, instead of having them too close to goal because we simply lack natural forward pockets.

If we picked a player like Papley at 9-12 we’d be stoked. Tack some extra on the deal because he’s contracted and ready and get it done.

Papley has kicked 3 goals in his past 5 matches. 0.6 goals per game.

Note that the timing is similar to when Larkey came back.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Still want Papley and would give our first. But 2 firsts go jump sydney!

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Papley has kicked 3 goals in his past 5 matches. 0.6 goals per game.

Note that the timing is similar to when Larkey came back.

Not sure what is up with his form lately. Still impacting games but not on the scoreboard

His first 8 weeks were outstanding. Maybe we’ve told him to calm down a touch?

 

[Jeremias]

Papley is a good player, but I clearly rate Fisher a lot higher than you and don't feel the need for Papley is as great as what some on here think. Just watch Fisher with a full preseason training as a small forward. He'll take his game to the next level.

Papley is better than a good footballer.

And no, you don't rate Fisher higher than me. He's my favourite Blue behind Simmo and will take over the mantle in the next year or so.

I'm a huge fan of Fisher. Always have been. I just called out this "emergence" for what it is, an over the top assessment on the back of one game after which he hasn't hit the scoreboard.

We're not bypassing Papley because we have Fisher.

I always look for value and not the most obvious selections during trade period.

That's great. I too like exploring value additions, and have and will continue to raise plenty of options.

I just don't talk down the A grade targets when I raise them as possibilities.

There is clearly room for both. As I continue to say, elevate the floor and raise the ceiling. Both can and should be done simultaneously.

 

[Arr0w]

Newman is a depth player

Newman takes over from Simmo

 

[Arr0w]

He's poor defensively, not quick, and is an inconsistent kick. He's ok, but we should be aiming to have a better back 7 than him.

Still with this "aiming to have better"?

Like replacing replacing Newnes and Gibbo?

But not Betts, right