List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[Arr0w]

Can't see him leaving the Dees.

Who's a more likely target you'd go for with two 1st rounders on offer?

Not a single player, I would spread that currency over 2-3 players

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Not a single player, I would spread that currency over 2-3 players

Fair enough, which ones?

 

[Jeremias]

If he's better than a good footballer, I'm not seeing it.

I mean, what did he do today?

11 disposals, 1 tackle and 1 goal.

It's a good game for a small forward, but if we're looking at him as a pressure forward, I don't see him as much of an upgrade on what we already have. He had a couple of touches very early on and kicked a goal halfway through the first quarter, but had next to no impact after that for over three quarters.

His disposal is just too dicey. He had a nice moment kicking that dribbler along the ground today, but he also missed an assist, where he was out in open space in the middle of the ground, missed his target who was in open space, which forced his teammate to track the ball towards the boundary and fire a low percentage running shot from the boundary. If Papley hits this simple target, Sydney are having a set shot about 40m from goal on a slight angle.

The one thing he does that makes me scratch my head is he always attacks every ball at a million miles an hour. Now that might seem like a good thing because he's attacking the contest with speed and ferocity, however, on quite a number of occasions he either fumbles or completely misses the ball. Slowing down a touch in some circumstances may actually be beneficial for him because he can take the ball cleanly instead of overrunning it, compose himself and dish off to another player to set up a play. He's inconsistent in this aspect of his game. Fisher, on the other hand is a lot cleaner in close, which is why I believe he'll surpass Papley as a small forward next season with sufficient training over the off-season/preseason.

He's a good player and he's doing a good job, but nothing more. I just feel that if we add another player to our forward line, we need a different type of player.

FWIW, keep an eye out for Fraser Phillips in the coming seasons. Looks the goods.

Since when do we judge players on one game?

Papley was not at his best today, in fact has been relatively quiet for the past few weeks, but he's still having an excellent season as he did in 2019.

The comparison with Fisher is a silly one as they're not competing for a spot, but happy to revisit at the end of next year.

 

[skadoosh]

Don't forget this new recruit we'll be locking into our best 22 next year
After all that's happened in 2020, it's so easy to forget this talent of Charlie Curnow

 

[Curnivore]

I wasn’t trying to compare players or advocate for picking up anyone or not picking them up, I’m just highlighting that the picks coming back shouldn’t be ignored or the position our first rounders are likely to fall shouldn’t.

The difference between two first round draft picks at picks say 5 and 8 is a long way off say 10 and 14, then you get say a pick at 26 coming back which should get you a handy player.

Im more than happy to give up two first rounders for the right type of player, I definitely don’t think a player Kellys age is too old to get good value, I expect him to play for 8 or so more years.

I've already said I am happy if the club secures Kelly, we both agree there would be a second back, but expecting a 25 year old to play for 8 years is insane. We would be trading him in on the idea that we get 5 good years. 2 first round picks for 5 years. Any year after that is free gravy. As I said, the club and the playing group would have to really believe the time is now for them to put that currency, both pick wise and financially, into one player.

 

[Curnivore]

The currency being spoken about for Papley and Kelly would be better spent on the likes of a Petracca, who is a genuine match winner/game changer

Fyfe or Dangerfield would be just as likely.
Petracca, Gawn and Oliver would be as untouchable as Cripps, McKay and Walsh.

See if we can shake Viney loose.

 

[Arr0w]

Fair enough, which ones?

Countless options that would improve us

Another FA, Viney

OOC, Hewett, Lonie, Parfitt, Narkle, Spargo, Aarts, Ryan, etc

Parker a year out from being a FA, same as Billings


We don't need all of them, but a couple would do nicely

Shake the tree, see what falls out

 

[HARKER]

Countless options that would improve us

Another FA, Viney

OOC, Hewett, Lonie, Parfitt, Narkle, Spargo, Aarts, Ryan, etc

Parker a year out from being a FA, same as Billings


We don't need all of them, but a couple would do nicely

Shake the tree, see what falls out

Although I think it's likely to be true that one may get by with the smaller of the right pieces, it's also understandable that after having invested heavily in the draft in the past five years and given where our list is at, that we'd sooner invest in the larger of the right pieces.

If I was in Austin's (the clubs) shoes, I'd go with the latter and can only see the club doing so. It just makes more sense to me.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I've already said I am happy if the club secures Kelly, we both agree there would be a second back, but expecting a 25 year old to play for 8 years is insane. We would be trading him in on the idea that we get 5 good years. 2 first round picks for 5 years. Any year after that is free gravy. As I said, the club and the playing group would have to really believe the time is now for them to put that currency, both pick wise and financially, into one player.

imo if our time isn’t now then it may never be. Getting one or two really good best 22 players in next year would leave us with a best 22 with only one player who is a third year or less and that’s Walsh who will be a gun next year. The rest fourth plus.
Guys like Setterfield, Fisher, SPS, Kennedy, Cuningham, JSOS are fifth and sixth year players. They are all ready. We will not be a young side at all.

 

[Arr0w]

Although I think it's likely to be true that one may get by with the smaller of the right pieces, it's also understandable that after having invested heavily in the draft in the past five years and given where our list is at, that we'd sooner invest in the larger of the right pieces.

If I was in Austin's (the clubs) shoes, I'd go with the latter and can only see the club doing so. It just makes more sense to me.

A messiah trade? No thanks, not for me

No doubt we will target high end talent, the Papley, Kelly's of the competition, that doesn't make for a better fit, especially at the cost compared to cohorts

Compare the cost between Papley and Butler, do the same with Jones and Hill at the Saints

We shouldn't be paying overs this year.

 

[M_I_G]

Is there anyway we could steal jack steele?

 

[Wily trout]

Our time is now to get a couple of very good to excellent 24-27 year olds to add a bit more experience into the group. I would love Papley, but for the discussed price would much prefer Kelly, especially on the ball. However if we do get Williams, then Kelly is probably unlikely as Giants won’t let both go. Williams and a say a Viney type would be a pretty good trade period for us, add to that Charlie coming back and Kemp debuting next near, memberships would go through the roof.

 

[new_blue]

Is there anyway we could steal jack steele?

We had our opportunity when he left the giants...we effectively took Kennedy instead (a year later).

 

[HARKER]

A messiah trade? No thanks, not for me

No doubt we will target high end talent, the Papley, Kelly's of the competition, that doesn't make for a better fit, especially at the cost compared to cohorts

Compare the cost between Papley and Butler, do the same with Jones and Hill at the Saints

We shouldn't be paying overs this year.

But why would you say that?
We have our 'messiahs' already, don't we? Cripps, Weitering, Walsh, CCurnow, McKay etc etc

If you have just about everything you need by way of personnel, doesn't it make more sense to pay the extra to get what improves you the most and by the biggest margin, or by just padding things around the edges and hope it all works out?

This is the way I do things in everyday life. Quality over quantity.

 

[Stamos]

Still with this "aiming to have better"?

Like replacing replacing Newnes and Gibbo?

But not Betts, right

Huh?
Of course we have to replace Betts. Along with the others, who are depth.

 

[Curnivore]

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imo if our time isn’t now then it may never be. Getting one or two really good best 22 players in next year would leave us with a best 22 with only one player who is a third year or less and that’s Walsh who will be a gun next year. The rest fourth plus.
Guys like Setterfield, Fisher, SPS, Kennedy, Cuningham, JSOS are fifth and sixth year players. They are all ready. We will not be a young side at all.

I think we are close too, but that also relies on the idea that a lot of players we currently have will take the next step next year and the year after. Interesting times.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Countless options that would improve us

Another FA, Viney

OOC, Hewett, Lonie, Parfitt, Narkle, Spargo, Aarts, Ryan, etc

Parker a year out from being a FA, same as Billings


We don't need all of them, but a couple would do nicely

Shake the tree, see what falls out

Another FA doesn't make much sense. If we do target Viney, we won't have to trade any picks unless Dees match and then want to trade but I think we'll walk away from that situation given they'd want more than the projected compo pick.

With the OOC you mentioned, the one I think would improve us most would be Ryan. If you're thinking to split our 1st rounder into a couple of 2nd rounders and use those... I really don't see how most of those will benefit our side.

Guys like Spargo and Narkle aren't proven. Narkle's another one of those that saves his best footy against us.

Parfitt's tackling pressure is pretty good, but I don't like how he uses the ball. I reckon that'll get exposed more when playing for us.

Lonie could be a handy pick up, but we could probably get him for a late 2nd rounder or a 3rd rounder. I'd offer up our 2021 2nd at most.

Aarts? I just don't see it. I'd offer up a 4th rounder for him based on what I've seen so far and he'll be turning 27 by end of next year.

Hewett is probably gettable in a potential Papley trade. If it was our 2020 + 2021 1st for Papley and Hewett, would you accept that offer?

 

[DirkDiggler]

A messiah trade? No thanks, not for me

No doubt we will target high end talent, the Papley, Kelly's of the competition, that doesn't make for a better fit, especially at the cost compared to cohorts

Compare the cost between Papley and Butler, do the same with Jones and Hill at the Saints

We shouldn't be paying overs this year.

Totally agree as in yers to come will put significant pressure on us to retain our emerging players. Of those out of contract smalls, who interest you most and why?
I wouldn't mind having a crack at Saad who according to media reports is far from reaching agreement on his contract with Essendon. Wouldn't mind seeing him play up the ground for us as a forward threat.

 

[Juddernaut08]

Don't forget this new recruit we'll be locking into our best 22 next year
After all that's happened in 2020, it's so easy to forget this talent of Charlie Curnow

Far out! Cant wait

 

[HARKER]

Totally agree as in years to come will put significant pressure on us to retain our emerging players. Of those out of contract smalls, who interest you most and why?
I wouldn't mind having a crack at Saad who according to media reports is far from reaching agreement on his contract with Essendon. Wouldn't mind seeing him play up the ground for us as a forward threat.

No we don't. We don't have to keep every emerging player. It's just not possible, given the young, midfield depth we have.
Why on earth would we want to top up with cheapies that may only be rotational players?

If our principle targets aren't immediate best 22 players, we have rocks in our head. It's that simple......and if we're just padding out for depth because of expected injuries, then we're doing something very wrong, again.

Is the aim of this club to win premierships or just allow ourselves the ability to say we have more first rounders than every other club?
I know this is not what you're saying but I want us to be viewing next year as a year we're aiming at winning the big one....not in '23 or '25 or.....it's now.

 

[La Dispute]

Is there anyway we could steal jack steele?

Would at least prevent the annual Cripps tag, but his value is seemingly going up by the week and tbh we've got a cast of tall inside midfielders already on our list. It'd be a big misallocation of cap space to bring him in.

 

[Arr0w]

Huh?
Of course we have to replace Betts. Along with the others, who are depth.

Newman isn't depth mate

Last year he was averaging midfield numbers and going at 75% by foot

No one on our list has that output, so he will replace Simmo when he retires

 

[Arr0w]

Another FA doesn't make much sense. If we do target Viney, we won't have to trade any picks unless Dees match and then want to trade but I think we'll walk away from that situation given they'd want more than the projected compo pick.

With the OOC you mentioned, the one I think would improve us most would be Ryan. If you're thinking to split our 1st rounder into a couple of 2nd rounders and use those... I really don't see how most of those will benefit our side.

Guys like Spargo and Narkle aren't proven. Narkle's another one of those that saves his best footy against us.

Parfitt's tackling pressure is pretty good, but I don't like how he uses the ball. I reckon that'll get exposed more when playing for us.

Lonie could be a handy pick up, but we could probably get him for a late 2nd rounder or a 3rd rounder. I'd offer up our 2021 2nd at most.

Aarts? I just don't see it. I'd offer up a 4th rounder for him based on what I've seen so far and he'll be turning 27 by end of next year.

Hewett is probably gettable in a potential Papley trade. If it was our 2020 + 2021 1st for Papley and Hewett, would you accept that offer?

No wouldn't do Papley and Hewett for that deal, when I could get Hewett fot a latish 2nd

Papley isn't worth a mid 1st and 2nd, especially with other option on the market

 

[SurreyBlue]

When we get to the stage where we can push Docherty up to the wing to become the 7th defender, then we know we have completed the back 6.

 

[thylacine60]

And that would mean?