List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[teagueyubeauty]

Speaking of the Suns, absolutely think we should look at Brayden Fiorini. OOC there. Pushed out of their 22 atm.

Speaking of GC, very soon the clubs should be looking at pressuring the AFL to scrap the rest of their ridiculous concessions. All of them, including the most ridiculous concession of all and that’s unfettered access to the Northern Territory.


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[The Old Dark Navy's]

For people that watch the reserves is there anyone we have on the senior list that we should be excited about. Anyone with x factor ?

Not sure about x factor but the game yesterday really highlights Philp, Honey and Owies as very worthy of a call up. Pacy mid, strong attacking mid/half forward or adapted small forward who can't help but kick goals.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Speaking of the Suns, absolutely think we should look at Brayden Fiorini. OOC there. Pushed out of their 22 atm.

The AFL will wait until they win a flag or two before considering it. They absolutely want them to succeed and build their fan base.

 

[BRADLESTICKS]

I get the feeling Liddle will want to make a really big move to justify the whole SOS mess and if Jeremy Cameron and zac williams sign on with the Giants I can imagine a scenario where a star mid becomes available as has happened in the past with treloar and shiel.
Coniglio, whitfield and taranto are the most recent to sign on and young mids Caldwell and Hately aren't what we need right now so for me that brings us back to Josh Kelly who i think would compliment our midfield just about better than anyone in the comp.
With the cap space Liddle says we have personally i'd be a bit disappointed if it was used on Wines and Crouch types, while they are good solid players the price wont be worth it, look at what has happened at the crows they have the crouch brothers and sloane as one paced mids so are forced to play gibbs another one paced mid and a player who cost them a fortune both picks and money wise in the reserves we cant make the same mistake.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

Keeping players is what makes good sides -- watching today Fremantle - hill weller neale Langdon losing them hurts - hard to see fyfe playing in a GF again before he retires ---Adelaide has had a slow drip of good players --- Draft picks rarely cover them .. GC without AFL would be dead and Brisbane also .. I doubt Afl will help Fremantle or Adelaide ..

 

[DangerousD]

Bit unfair in hindsight for people to say atm his been overpaid after the injury i recon...
Just shocking luck, would be absolutely worth every cent...
He’s contract would have been front loaded through SOS’s list management anyway...

I wouldn't say hindsight or the injury have anything to do with it, to be honest, the contract was called out by many people at the time, as being excessive.
The contract extension was signed in June 2018 and came in to effect this year, so at the time of signing Charlie had played about 40 games of football, $800,000 per year, is what you pay players in their prime, who are consistent and have shown they are worth it. The offer was a gamble.

As this is the first year of the deal, i would doubt it would be front loaded, as they would put it around the $1M mark.

 

[DangerousD]

I get the feeling Liddle will want to make a really big move to justify the whole SOS mess and if Jeremy Cameron and zac williams sign on with the Giants I can imagine a scenario where a star mid becomes available as has happened in the past with treloar and shiel.
Coniglio, whitfield and taranto are the most recent to sign on and young mids Caldwell and Hately aren't what we need right now so for me that brings us back to Josh Kelly who i think would compliment our midfield just about better than anyone in the comp.
With the cap space Liddle says we have personally i'd be a bit disappointed if it was used on Wines and Crouch types, while they are good solid players the price wont be worth it, look at what has happened at the crows they have the crouch brothers and sloane as one paced mids so are forced to play gibbs another one paced mid and a player who cost them a fortune both picks and money wise in the reserves we cant make the same mistake.

Not as far fetched as it sounds, i was thinking along these lines today in regards to Greene. It stagers me, that there hasn't been more noise from other clubs in regards to how GWS are signing most of their big players to around $1M per year.

Something has to shake lose.

 

[Jimmyonesix]

I wouldn't say hindsight or the injury have anything to do with it, to be honest, the contract was called out by many people at the time, as being excessive.
The contract extension was signed in June 2018 and came in to effect this year, so at the time of signing Charlie had played about 40 games of football, $800,000 per year, is what you pay players in their prime, who are consistent and have shown they are worth it. The offer was a gamble.

As this is the first year of the deal, i would doubt it would be front loaded, as they would put it around the $1M mark.

Would have triggers wouldn't it -- surely not 800k flat

 

[DangerousD]

It rarely works out that way though and players that aren't absorbed at the front line early in their careers, find a way to get lost.
Look at GWS and all these early picks - O'Rourke, Pickett, Ahern, Kennedy, Bonar, Boyd, McCarthy etc

When players don't get opportunity early........it becomes difficult

It does, but the Giants got pretty good compensation for O'Rourke, Kennedy, Boyd and Mcarthy

 

[DangerousD]

Would have triggers wouldn't it -- surely not 800k flat

Another poster mentioned that they knew it was around $600,000 with triggers, i have my doubts on the info. The reported figures in multiple articles are 4 years at $3.2M.

Does anyone know how a 4 year deal with triggers would work in regards to TPP? You can't have a guy possible earning $800,000 and then only paying him $600,000, it would totally mess up your minimum payment requirements and the opposite would apply, if more than you expected met their trigger you would be over what you expected.

 

[DangerousD]

Is Wines actually slow? Or is just a lazy assumption?

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Is Wines actually slow? Or is just a lazy assumption?

Not slow IMO, just awkward body shape and running style. I’d have him easily ahead of B Crouch when fit

Gimme Wines, Zac Williams and Papley, it’s doable as well

 

[DangerousD]

Not slow IMO, just awkward body shape and running style. I’d have him easily ahead of B Crouch when fit

Gimme Wines, Zac Williams and Papley, it’s doable as well

Doable in terms of $$$$$?

Im a big fan of Williams, he is my number 1 target, but for him to leave GWS, it would have to be over getting a crap offer. For that to happen, we would have to be considerable better.

Wines will not be cheap, picks or $$$ but i really like him

Papley also won't be cheap but not like the others.

We do have cap space though and we have a few older guys that could be given a nudge if we needed to make more. Lets just hope we win quite a few games to really sell ourselves.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Doable in terms of $$$$$?

Im a big fan of Williams, he is my number 1 target, but for him to leave GWS, it would have to be over getting a crap offer. For that to happen, we would have to be considerable better.

Wines will not be cheap, picks or $$$ but i really like him

Papley also won't be cheap but not like the others.

We do have cap space though and we have a few older guys that could be given a nudge if we needed to make more. Lets just hope we win quite a few games to really sell ourselves.

I suppose we have to see what implications corona might have on the salary cap and list sizes first, definitely think it was doable up until then.

With a combination of Martin being front loaded, at least 1 retirement and possibly more at season’s end, and the ability to pay 105% of the cap to get it done, we’d be mad not to try

 

[Eiffel 65]

Is Wines actually slow? Or is just a lazy assumption?

He's not slow. Just doesn't have that explosive breakaway speed like a Shiel or Dangerfield.

We're probably on the search for pace and quality kicks as opposed to ball extraction.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Either way I think big moves will be made. If we have a good season it should be abit easier to recruit and we won’t hold our picks in as high regard as we have in the past. If we have a poor year then things probably need to be forced abit and we will pay someone overs. Salary cap room and currency we have, unfortunately we are just competing with players current clubs and ten other Victorian clubs so it’s always bloody tough.

If Wines plays like he did tonight for the rest of the year he won’t be coming cheap at all. Sydney could play real hardball with Papley too. If he was our player I wouldn’t want to lose him for anything less then a pick inside the top 5 so I can’t see why they would. (In this draft year) In saying that we should be in a position that we can actually pay up and it be rewarded for doing so.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

He's not slow. Just doesn't have that explosive breakaway speed like a Shiel or Dangerfield.

We're probably on the search for pace and quality kicks more than anything else.

I genuinely think Zac Williams could be that guy if played there enough

Imagine a senior midfield core of Cripps, Wines, Williams and Martin...

 

[Eiffel 65]

I genuinely think Zac Williams could be that guy if played there enough

Imagine a senior midfield core of Cripps, Wines, Williams and Martin...

Williams would be a good get if we saw him as a midfielder. Not worth it if we're playing him across half back though. There are cheaper options that are just as effective.

We traded for Stocker, a guy we supposedly rated as the 6th best prospect in a very strong draft. Just feel that if we're backing in our recruiters and Stocker is as good as they say, there shouldn't be any need for Wines.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I get the feeling Liddle will want to make a really big move to justify the whole SOS mess and if Jeremy Cameron and zac williams sign on with the Giants I can imagine a scenario where a star mid becomes available as has happened in the past with treloar and shiel.
Coniglio, whitfield and taranto are the most recent to sign on and young mids Caldwell and Hately aren't what we need right now so for me that brings us back to Josh Kelly who i think would compliment our midfield just about better than anyone in the comp.
With the cap space Liddle says we have personally i'd be a bit disappointed if it was used on Wines and Crouch types, while they are good solid players the price wont be worth it, look at what has happened at the crows they have the crouch brothers and sloane as one paced mids so are forced to play gibbs another one paced mid and a player who cost them a fortune both picks and money wise in the reserves we cant make the same mistake.

We would be mad not to ask the question about Kelly. I couldn’t think of a much better player for us. Every chance they want to keep those older guys and then have a group of Hopper, Taranto, Perryman, Ash, Green, Caldwell and Hatley to be the core for the next decade so who knows.
Losing Kelly probably means they keep everyone else and probably pick up a couple of first rounders.

 

[Salt Lake Cities]

Williams would be a good get if we saw him as a midfielder. Not worth it if we're playing him across half back though. There are cheaper options that are just as effective.

We traded for Stocker, a guy we supposedly rated as the 6th best prospect in a very strong draft. Just feel that if we're backing in our recruiters and Stocker is as good as they say, there shouldn't be any need for Wines.

Yeah I’m pretty set on the idea of him playing midfield and agree he’d be too expensive for a HB

I’m a Stocker fan but Wines would be great for us IMO and is only 25. Really keen to get some extra grunt in midfield ASAP

 

[HARKER]

I'm glad we have Walsh of course, but not only for what he does on-field.

He's a natural leader and sets the standard on and off the training track for all the promising young guys we have....and we have many.
Potential best 22 players around Walshs age; Dow, O'Brien, Stocker, Kemp, Philp, Honey and then Ramsay, BSilvagni, Cottrell, Phillips.

He's the right player at the right time, for our group.

 

[therubbernub]

I’m starting a tin rattle to get Rowell.
Who’s in?

I think there will be notes involves- lots of

 

[HARKER]

Kinda feel like we should be steering clear of "developing" players, unless we're looking at a ruckman. The focus should be on playing well and becoming an attractive prospect for a walk-up best 22 player. We can find a McHenry most years in the draft (and may have already in young Josh Honey).
Trade for "sure things", draft for potential.

This is where we are now.
I'd be disappointed with our approach should it still be one of; 'Wait until you see what we can make out of this guy'

Trade for immediate deficiencies now and if we don't go to the draft, even in the next two years - So what?
We have to develop all the highly rated 'kids' we have now and if we somehow have a problem doing that, why on earth would be bring in more?

Imagine if we picked up a Lachie Neale and Chalie Cameron now with what amounted to roughly picks #5 and #13?
Brisbane seemed to have timed their change of tack well and it has to be our time to do so, also.

 

[Wickzki]

Agreed. It's time for us to go Hawks mode. Identify the positional and structural need and go out and nab the best possible player that meets the requirements.

Hawks did it with Gibson, Burgouyne, and so many others. They went out, put the currency to get it done, and did just that.

It'll come at the expense of good draft picks and potentially good footballers so not everybody will be happy all of the time but rarely does something come free.

 

[HARKER]

Agreed. It's time for us to go Hawks mode. Identify the positional and structural need and go out and nab the best possible player that meets the requirements.
Hawks did it with Gibson, Burgouyne, and so many others. They went out, put the currency to get it done, and did just that.
It'll come at the expense of good draft picks and potentially good footballers so not everybody will be happy all of the time but rarely does something come free.

It seems that way, doesn't it.
We can go for Hately & Caldwell and leave behind let's say, Kemp & Stocker.....so what's the net return?

Has to be the right pieces in the right spots that make us immediately better. We have enough premium draftees to develop for now.