List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[Arr0w]

Hawthorn made the right move in trading for needs ahead of going to the draft when they did.
The CFC is now in a position to do the same, adding immediate quality ahead of potential quality. We probably agree on this front.

What's this 'become a rear vision watcher' thing? Am I outside the circle of trust?
It's about knowing where we are in the scheme of things and to announce Hawthorn as 'trying to stay relevant' is......come on now?
99% of us would be happy to be as irrelevant as Hawthorn are, given the recent success they've had. No team can stay on top for ever and a day, yet they're still doing OK after what was always going to be a dip. We didn't just dip....we dove down deep.

Right now, we're just pretending and maybe we need to put others down to feel better about oursleves.
The CFC is heading in the right direction (Can't get worse than 18th) but there's a long...long...way to go, before we can suggest teams that are constantly above us, as trying to stay relevant. They are relevant and will continue to attract players before we will, for what they have put in place.

Harks, you are starting to sound like cookie and Moody. Who gives a **** where we have finished compared to Hawthorn over the last 10 years, both clubs were at completely different stages

Hawks built a flag list through the draft, that's right, the draft, then played the FA game extremely well

They lost most of their star/xfactor players, so recently they have topped up, through the trade period, rather than replenishing young talent

They are not a flag contender and if they stay with this strategy, they will emulate the Cats, competitive without truly be a threat

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

The last time we were good enough to cough up our first pick and recruit for need, we ended up with this bloke:

 

[katmanblue]

I think it may be just me, but Im struggling to get on board with Papley TBH. Was happy to get him last year, but now Im unsure.

He was great again on the weekend.

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[HARKER]

Harks, you are starting to sound like cookie and Moody. Who gives a fu** where we have finished compared to Hawthorn over the last 10 years, both clubs were at completely different stages

Hawks built a flag list through the draft, that's right, the draft, then played the FA game extremely well

They lost most of their star/xfactor players, so recently they have topped up, through the trade period, rather than replenishing young talent

They are not a flag contender and if they stay with this strategy, they will emulate the Cats, competitive without truly be a threat

That's unfortunate when we have to start putting up other posters' names in order to somehow deride another.
I can suggest that you're starting to sound like someone else also.......and maybe there's a good reason for that being the case. True?

It's not what Hawthorn are doing now but for the path they took, that resulted in them being as dominant as they were.
They mapped it out well and if they're taking a dip for winning four premierships in eight years, I doubt their supporters would be quibbling about that now.

 

[katmanblue]

Not so sure Wick

Hawks built their team/flag predominantly through the draft and FA

Now they seem to be doing what the Cats have done trying to stay relevant

Have no issue targeting FA, or using high picks for established players, but you never forego any draft completely

I'm fine with scrambling trying to stay relevant half a decade áfter a threepeat.

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[Arr0w]

That's unfortunate when we have to start putting up other posters' names in order to somehow deride another.
I can suggest that you're starting to sound like someone else also.......and maybe there's a good reason for that being the case. True?

It's not what Hawthorn are doing now but for the path they took, that resulted in them being as dominant as they were.
They mapped it out well and if they're taking a dip for winning four premierships in eight years, I doubt their supporters would be quibbling about that now.

Harks, stop feigning innocence

You want to target posts with stand alone posts, I will call it out, especially when I was talking about Hawthorn's current strategy, rather than prior to winning their flags, which is a completely different thing

Play your bullshit agendas with the plebs

 

[Blue1980]

Yes and no.

We need to target players in specific positions, but shouldn't sell the farm for them.

We should target very good underrated players. Refer to Adam Saad, Devon Smith, Jarman Impey, Josh Caddy or Alex Keath type deals.

Lets be smart about our trading.

Don't quote me on this, but last time I checked, Marc Pittonet didn't cost us 2 x first round draft picks. He's emerging as a serious player for us

Ruckman who have only played 7 games in 5 years will always come cheaper, but I do agree with your point.

We don’t have to sell the farm to get quality in, just need to target for a specific roles in mind.

Mind you winning games of football makes us a more attractive proposition for prospective targets as well.

 

[Blue1980]

Hawks were very smart in their trading. They didn't overpay to get what they needed. They knew what currency they had and which players that would get for that currency. If it takes us out of the draft, so be it. How many 18-22 year old's does one need when entering a premiership window?

That's why I want us to go Hawks mode.

Yeah we have enough younger speculative players, some will make it, some won’t. So I do agree with you.

Mind you we are at a point where if we can have a bit more experience in the side it helps those younger ones coming in.

 

[Blue1980]

He's been pushed out of GC's best 22, but somehow he'd be in ours?
What would he add that we really need? One could say the same about Brodie and maybe even (2mt Peter) Wright.
I don't think it's what we're looking for, although they would come cheap.

First rounders for proven, and more importantly, players that immediately make us better.
Second rounders for too-good-to-be-true young players and then third rounders for players that are far better than for what we may find in the draft...
Something like that....but there's a long way to go.

I think it’s at the point of Brodie isn’t getting games now and hasn’t shown much when he has played that he’s probably just not very good.

Not interested in guys like him or Fiorini unless we got them for nothing.

2 metre Peter we don’t need and would be worth too much anyway, there would be some club out there desperate for a big forward who’d be willing to give up more and spend more than we would or should.

 

[thylacine60]

He was great again on the weekend.

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currently considered their number 1 player - maybe heeney or lance up there as well - sam maclure shut the door on us getting him now.......

 

[thylacine60]

Why are you talking about those bunch of pricks?

**** em'

because as long as your writing hundreds and hundreds of words about something - and the vaguer the better - it's truly, truly thought provoking..........

 

[Juddernaut08]

The last time we were good enough to cough up our first pick and recruit for need, we ended up with this bloke:

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Fair point. But at least they only drafted Jordan Gysbert.

 

[Juddernaut08]

I still want Papley to replace Betts eventually.

Other than that just want a gun mid. Even someone like Stephen Hill would be great. Doesnt have to be Coniglio.

 

[Jeremias]

I still want Papley to replace Betts eventually.

Other than that just want a gun mid. Even someone like Stephen Hill would be great. Doesnt have to be Coniglio.

Hill is 30 and has struggled with injury for what seems like years now.

When was the last time he played a full season? 5 years ago?

We can do better.

 

[Own The Future]

currently considered their number 1 player - maybe heeney or lance up there as well - sam maclure shut the door on us getting him now.......

Yeah can’t see him ever getting to us.
I like McClure as a journo, but I’m not sure the claim that we “played our hand too early” is fair. As we’ve all discussed over and over on this forum, I think our offer was more than fair and Sydney stood firm when the Daniher deal fell through.
I believe pick 9 was a fair price for him - not sure I’d offer more than that.
Oh well - it’s done for now, and we wait and see if he still wants out at season’s end.

 

[katmanblue]

currently considered their number 1 player - maybe heeney or lance up there as well - sam maclure shut the door on us getting him now.......

Saw that

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[bigm386]

Admittedly I have a soft spot for Polson but reading this in the Reserves Player-by-player review really makes me hope he can make it.


29. Cameron Polson

Cam was good, he defended well and found the ball. He gave some great running drive up the ground. Off-the-field, he’s been sensational. He’s one that is so grateful and excited to play: he understands the situation better than most. He’s doing everything in his power to be better.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Yeah can’t see him ever getting to us.
I like McClure as a journo, but I’m not sure the claim that we “played our hand too early” is fair. As we’ve all discussed over and over on this forum, I think our offer was more than fair and Sydney stood firm when the Daniher deal fell through.
I believe pick 9 was a fair price for him - not sure I’d offer more than that.
Oh well - it’s done for now, and we wait and see if he still wants out at season’s end.

I don’t even know what the hell McClure was trying to say. It made absolutely no sense.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Angus Brayshaw is a player we could possibly target who could be relatively cheap if higher profile guys fall though. Guys like him, Toby McClean ect could be diamonds in the rough though it’s bloody hard to pick them

 

[DangerousD]

Harks, you are starting to sound like cookie and Moody. Who gives a fu** where we have finished compared to Hawthorn over the last 10 years, both clubs were at completely different stages

I can’t really take this comment seriously, whilst I agree mostly that Hawthorn built their premiership success through the draft, to suggest we were at completely different stages is miles off the truth.
We were primed for a strong decade and failed on so many levels, they had a dominant decade, so of course it’s good to use some sides as a yard stick or as something to aspire to.

It seems we are following the same strategy as they did in the early 2000s

 

[footyfan1978]

Our list has never been placed so well for long term future since the start of 1986 which was basically the end of the old systems and before the salary cap and draft era really started to come into the industry.
Great job SOS since end of 2015 to end of 2019 to bring our club list management kicking and screaming into a new system and new century.
If those remaining do not **** up the management of list for this next decade we can return to the premiership winning club in this new decade and new era for the club. The foundations are all now in place to win premierships as this decade progresses. Ground zero was end of 2015.
Foundation builds all in place at start of 2020.

 

[Arr0w]

I can’t really take this comment seriously, whilst I agree mostly that Hawthorn built their premiership success through the draft, to suggest we were at completely different stages is miles off the truth.
We were primed for a strong decade and failed on so many levels, they had a dominant decade, so of course it’s good to use some sides as a yard stick or as something to aspire to.

It seems we are following the same strategy as they did in the early 2000s

We never embraced a rebuild till 2015, their rebuild was 2004

We were at different stages

Happy to copy their model, but not their strategy of the last 3 years

 

[iAsbestos]

Agreed. It's time for us to go Hawks mode. Identify the positional and structural need and go out and nab the best possible player that meets the requirements.

Hawks did it with Gibson, Burgouyne, and so many others. They went out, put the currency to get it done, and did just that.

It'll come at the expense of good draft picks and potentially good footballers so not everybody will be happy all of the time but rarely does something come free.

Got plenty of elite kids time is now to get a graders to complete the rebuild.

 

[Beer n Skittles]

He's been pushed out of GC's best 22, but somehow he'd be in ours?

People made the same argument against Jack Martin last year

 

[ABigOlDoofus]

Angus Brayshaw is a player we could possibly target who could be relatively cheap if higher profile guys fall though. Guys like him, Toby McClean ect could be diamonds in the rough though it’s bloody hard to pick them

I wouldn't really call Angus a diamond in the rough when he came 3rd in the Brownlow a few years ago, but yes these "good but not great" players like McLean and Brayshaw are also players we need to be targeting, since it's unrealistic IMO that we land 2 or more of Wines, Crouch, Papley and Williams.

And for the record, I think Angus could be a "great" player if he's played in the guts as an extractor. No idea why the Dees insist on playing him outside.