List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[Stamos]

With shrinking lists I would be shocked if any other club would have any interest in Kennedy atm.

Not sure that the lists will be shrinking

 

[katmanblue]

From what I've seen of Kennedy he's slower and less agile than any of our key forwards. Doesn't really make him a medium forward, just a really short slow key forward.

He needs to get a chance to move past his injury issues and see if he can regain some speed and agility.

Looks much leaner in the photos coming out of the club, so hopefully that's a step in the right direction.

Maybe I just have a soft spot him. I just want him to do well.

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[Thehurdle]

We lost out on Papley and Cogs, but we also managed to unearth a massive and unexpected diamond in the rough in Pittonet and got Martin for free
I rate last year's draft and trade period an outstanding success for the club, esp as we managed to get such a prodigious talent in Brodie Kemp, who easily would have gone in the top 5, if not 3 of his draft class if not for his ACL.

I dare say 2019 could possibly be SOS' finest haul for us since the outstanding 2015 draft and trade period.

The stuff with Cogs is no fault of ours or Silvagni's, but he was back on top form in his final year in the job.

Yes, Cogs shook hands with the club. Deal done. Then came the AFL.

 

[Iwishicouldplay4themoney]

From what I've seen of Kennedy he's slower and less agile than any of our key forwards. Doesn't really make him a medium forward, just a really short slow key forward.

He needs to get a chance to move past his injury issues and see if he can regain some speed and agility.

Could kennedy play a caddy or Mayne role . A small forward if papley doesn't come is j cameron or b role

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Could kennedy play a caddy or Mayne role . A small forward if papley doesn't come is j cameron or b role

I remember when we got him I said he is a Caddy clone and was shouted down abit because that’s when Caddy was still shit. That’s what he has to aim for imo and let’s not forget how average Caddy looked at times so there is still hope for Kennedy. I think the dream of him being a Parker type is well and truly gone.

 

[Own The Future]

Yes, Cogs shook hands with the club. Deal done. Then came the AFL.

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[HARKER]

Trying something different here.

Players I feel have a legitimate reason to be best 22 for the entirety of their career, without considering injury.
I'm going to discount players that may not be around next year or so; Kreuzer, Simpson, ECurnow, Murphy, Casboult & Betts
Grading 1 - 5...and yes....very subjective.

1. Cripps Docherty Weitering Walsh Martin Jones CCurnow
2. McKay Fisher Setterfield McGovern Williamson Philp
3. JSilvagni Dow De Koning Stocker Kemp Plowman Marchbank Pittonet Cuningham Honey Gibbons
4. O'Brien Kennedy Newman Newnes Ramsay Phillips Cottrell
5. Lang Macreadie Polson BSilvagni O'Dwyer Owies Goddard Moore

Some players I'd grade higher, but I'm also taking opportunity into account.

 

[Team DJ]

All in on Wines for me the more I think of it.
His inclusion could be the difference between Cripps being physically cooked at 29 or playing at a high level into his early to mid 30s.

Takes such a load off around congestion. And whilst not an immediate player of need considering our batch of inside mids. I think you need to protect your most valuable asset

 

[No1Suspect]

At what point in the year does you know who pop in n get the tongues wagging...... be very interested to seen who our actual prime target is this year....

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Papley doing it all on his own again. Get him!

 

[DangerousD]

If the club were to go down the draft path again or were to target Papley, who wouldn't help our midfield need but would be a great addition, id love for the club to get an older player like Josh Kennedy (Swans) to play the same role as a Hodge played at Brisbane or Lewis at Melbourne. He still finds the ball, still gets his hands dirty, is a fantastic example of hard work and seems like a good person.

Papley having a great season so far, will cost plenty.

 

[iAsbestos]

Papley is a ****ing must!!

 

[Arr0w]

Really over the Papley shit

Dogs bat deep in the midfield, yet all of them find a spot in the team, where they can rotate through multiple positions

Pretty simple isn't it

 

[katmanblue]

Really over the Papley sh*t

Dogs bat deep in the midfield, yet all of them find a spot in the team, where they can rotate through multiple positions

Pretty simple isn't it

Depends on the types you have. Some are more suited to multiple roles. Others aren't.

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[Gethelred]

I am going to put it this way: the price we are going to have to pay to get Papley across is not going to be worth getting Papley across.

The Swans are going to hold us to ransom, and the only way we are going to get him over is to give them an offer they can't refuse, and realistically we could simply take or trade for players that could play his position much, much easier.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

If the club were to go down the draft path again or were to target Papley, who wouldn't help our midfield need but would be a great addition, id love for the club to get an older player like Josh Kennedy (Swans) to play the same role as a Hodge played at Brisbane or Lewis at Melbourne. He still finds the ball, still gets his hands dirty, is a fantastic example of hard work and seems like a good person.

Papley having a great season so far, will cost plenty.

We need Papley big time.

But what we need more than Papley is Dow, Obrien and Stocker to come on this year and be clear best 22 going into next year. These 3 are the key for us and if they come on it will make the draft/trade period for us much easier.

Im done with the draft for the next 2 years. See no reason to go to the draft with our first 2 rounds.

I think we have the list to challenge if a few guys can get better.

If i could have my way at the trade table i would...
- this years 1st for Papley and sydney's 3rd
- next years 1st and a 3rd for Hately and Caldwell (dreaming i know)
- free agent either Gaff/Viney/Crouch/Williams

If we got those 4 (anyone of those FAs) i believe we play finals next year, especially if Dow, O'Brien and Stocker and get better and consistent.

 

[Arr0w]

Depends on the types you have. Some are more suited to multiple roles. Others aren't.

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And that comes down to recruitment and trading

 

[Arr0w]

We need Papley big time.

But what we need more than Papley is Dow, Obrien and Stocker to come on this year and be clear best 22 going into next year. These 3 are the key for us and if they come on it will make the draft/trade period for us much easier.

Im done with the draft for the next 2 years. See no reason to go to the draft with our first 2 rounds.

I think we have the list to challenge if a few guys can get better.

If i could have my way at the trade table i would...
- this years 1st for Papley and sydney's 3rd
- next years 1st and a 3rd for Hately and Caldwell (dreaming i know)
- free agent either Gaff/Viney/Crouch/Williams

If we got those 4 (anyone of those FAs) i believe we play finals next year, especially if Dow, O'Brien and Stocker and get better and consistent.

No way the Swans release Papley fot that

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I am going to put it this way: the price we are going to have to pay to get Papley across is not going to be worth getting Papley across.

The Swans are going to hold us to ransom, and the only way we are going to get him over is to give them an offer they can't refuse, and realistically we could simply take or trade for players that could play his position much, much easier.

Yep it’s getting to the point where he is playing too well for a contracted player to get traded for a reasonable price.

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

We need Papley big time.

But what we need more than Papley is Dow, Obrien and Stocker to come on this year and be clear best 22 going into next year. These 3 are the key for us and if they come on it will make the draft/trade period for us much easier.

Im done with the draft for the next 2 years. See no reason to go to the draft with our first 2 rounds.

I think we have the list to challenge if a few guys can get better.

If i could have my way at the trade table i would...
- this years 1st for Papley and sydney's 3rd
- next years 1st and a 3rd for Hately and Caldwell (dreaming i know)
- free agent either Gaff/Viney/Crouch/Williams

If we got those 4 (anyone of those FAs) i believe we play finals next year, especially if Dow, O'Brien and Stocker and get better and consistent.

Papely is probably almost 2 first rounder territory now (which i'd still pay).

To me fiorini is the guy. He can be like what lyons was to the lions. Good solid all round midfielder who isn't gonna have the superstar expectations that would come with a wines/gaff etc.

 

[DangerousD]

If i could have my way at the trade table i would...
- this years 1st for Papley and sydney's 3rd
- next years 1st and a 3rd for Hately and Caldwell (dreaming i know)
- free agent either Gaff/Viney/Crouch/Williams

Like most things posted, i agree mostly. However, i don't see any world where we will get Papley for anything less than a 1st and 2nd rounder, with nothing coming back. He's 23 years old, one of their best players and contracted.

I don't get the Hately and Caldwell love, both have showed nothing, other than glimpses of talent, neither will be ready to play consistent football next year. Im already cautious of the height and pace of our existing young mids, Kemp, Cripps, Setters, without adding another 190cm plus mid. I am however keeping a keen eye on Perryman, he is physically ready and is having a great start to the year and is out of contract.

The free agents on offer other than Williams don't excite me, but i do love the flexibility recruiting a FA brings. Signing a guy like Williams means you can overpay to secure other targets that you deem to be a good fit. Right now, there are question marks over a lot of our kids, we are desperate for them to come on, we desperately want them to be the players we have them in our heads, but the reality is, some won't.

We really need players like Marchbank and Cuningham to play some continuous football, to actually show they have a place in the team going forward. Im very happy Willo is back, but i am struggling to see how Dow, Stocker, Kemp, Obrien, Marchbank, Fisher and Curnow, fit in to our side. Thats without adding any player come trade time.

It wouldn't surprise me, if there are some big changes come the end of the year.

 

[Christou2Kouta]

If we were able to get Williams as a free agent, I'd happily throw 2 first rounders at Papley (+ a second rounder). And with Charlie returning, I'd be putting money on a top 6 finish in 2021.

 

[DangerousD]

I am going to put it this way: the price we are going to have to pay to get Papley across is not going to be worth getting Papley across.

The Swans are going to hold us to ransom, and the only way we are going to get him over is to give them an offer they can't refuse, and realistically we could simply take or trade for players that could play his position much, much easier.

Do you have a limit of what's acceptable and what's not?
Ive seen through away lines similar to your above about getting others to play the position, better, easier, with late picks and all that. But its obviously not the case, 40 goal a year players, who are 23 turning 24 years old and have played roughly 100 games, are not easy to come by. Yes we could find one in the draft, but how long are we waiting. We could chase Toby Mclean, but he as good or even a similar player?

I think we need to be a little less worried about cost and more worried about what we need. Tonight i saw a fantastic player, have a very good game and a player that would help us enormously. We are loaded up with kids, i want to have faith that they are good enough and just need time, so in that case, the need for us to value our draft picks so high, isn't there.

The plus side when chasing someone like Papley, is you know what your getting as oppose to any draft pick. Lets use 2 first round picks as an argument, we take say pick 9 to the draft this year and 14 next, it will be four years before both hit their prime and thats if both make it at all. With Papley, you will get a 200 game player. If we got 200 games out of every second firth round draftee, we would be in great shape.

It would be good to hear your max that you and others would pay, right now, im more than happy to offer a 1st, 2nd and 3rd

 

[Gethelred]

Do you have a limit of what's acceptable and what's not?
Ive seen through away lines similar to your above about getting others to play the position, better, easier, with late picks and all that. But its obviously not the case, 40 goal a year players, who are 23 turning 24 years old and have played roughly 100 games, are not easy to come by. Yes we could find one in the draft, but how long are we waiting. We could chase Toby Mclean, but he as good or even a similar player?

I think we need to be a little less worried about cost and more worried about what we need. Tonight i saw a fantastic player, have a very good game and a player that would help us enormously. We are loaded up with kids, i want to have faith that they are good enough and just need time, so in that case, the need for us to value our draft picks so high, isn't there.

The plus side when chasing someone like Papley, is you know what your getting as oppose to any draft pick. Lets use 2 first round picks as an argument, we take say pick 9 to the draft this year and 14 next, it will be four years before both hit their prime and thats if both make it at all. With Papley, you will get a 200 game player. If we got 200 games out of every second firth round draftee, we would be in great shape.

It would be good to hear your max that you and others would pay, right now, im more than happy to offer a 1st, 2nd and 3rd

In this upcoming draft, the swans would be well within their rights to set a price of two firsts or a first and a current member of the 22. They would probably ask for H.McKay and our first, before moving to H and our second.

I'm not saying it isn't doable. What we could offer (Marchbank and our first) would be a better loss for us in the short to medium term. All I'm saying is that they're ****ed if they let him leave. Losing him is akin to our losing Doc for two seasons, but forever. He's a barometer, a source of ridiculous goals, and at present their only AFL capable forward.

We either need to offer something they haven't considered, or offer something they haven't got. They're short KPP IMO, so that's where I'd start as we have (at least nominally a surfeit).

 

[Cripptonite]

Absolutely shattered we couldn’t get Papley last year. It’s time to prepare the kitchen sink if required when a player of that quality nominates your club. Please just get him this year!

Wines and any other mids (Viney, Gaff etc.) would be great but should be second priority after Papley in my opinion.