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[ABigOlDoofus]

TEAGUE should prioritise players from winning cultures

All 3 of those players have played in a Grand Final, they know winning culture more than 99% of our list.

 

[Gethelred]

If aquiring Brodie adds pressure to those guys mentioned above then it's my belief that the team will be all the better.

JSOS has more of the run with tagging role (eg. Ed Curnow) than the others. His stints in the midfield so far have given the impression the coaches haven't really let him play the inside, hunt the ball style of play.

Will Brodie:
(Below is taken from bigfooty Will Brodie forum)
Only played 8 games last season but finds the ball with ease. Has been working on disposal and defensive efforts, but still not enough to get an opportunity in the seniors since Rd1.

Potential is huge. But no idea if he fulfils it.

Reserves match reports this season

Will Brodie:

Will impacted the game well playing a mix of midfield and forward. He had nine score involvements and looked very dangerous when playing in our forward line. Will is usually very strong at stoppages but was beaten this week inside so will look to focus on this Thursday against the Dogs.


Will Brodie:

Wiz played most of the game as an inside midfielder for us. He won some good balls around the contest but was inconsistent at stoppages due to body work and handball execution. Will sets a high standard for himself so will be wanting to have more of an impact in this area on the weekend.

Will Brodie:

Will had another solid game this weekend as an inside midfielder and is winning the ball well at stoppages. He’s been working hard on the defensive aspect of his game and it was pleasing to see a few examples of excellent defensive work-rate from Will. This will need to remain a strong focus to push for senior selection.

Will Brodie:

Will played as an inside mid and continues to have a positive impact at stoppages. He was strong offensively and help set up seven scoring shots. Will continues to play with strong defensive intent and needs to be consistent with this to earn an AFL recall.

The problem with Brodie is encapsulated in our win against GC last year; he'd win the ball, then proceed to kick it immediately, without looking or even really trying to find someone to give it to.

Now, that's not to say it couldn't work for us; we just need to ensure that we have someone playing in front ahead of the ball and space to lead into. But he's not fast, and while he's very able to find the ball we have enough people who turn the ball over. For me to be happy to get him instead of someone like Viney - who's a RFA this season - or Wines, our development team would need to get the impression that he wants to change, and that he's capable of it. GC has been development hell for most of the time he's been there, so perhaps a change of scenery might do him best.

 

[HBF]

Rookie drafted players...our usual MO is previous 1st round picks.

Be nice if our own rookie picks came on but no one of note since Garlett, Ed, Levi & to a lesser extent White, Bell (but we failed at the ND).
Gibbo is the last one outside the ND.
Hopefully Cottrell gets some showtime soon & at least we’ve delved into some talented forwards in Honey (debut soon?) & Phillips this time around.
Owies some hope as our Cat B but our dysfunctional forward line could be hard to play in from the transition from the “VFL”/practice matches.

IMO we've gone to the draft enough now and it's time to make a statement and really target players that we need. We have space in our cap to really be aggressive as well. Williams and Papley on our list makes us a legit finals contender. And Charlie comes back as well.

The only hole we will need to consider replacing on our list will be Jones, who has done an amazing job when it looked like he'd be cut all of those years ago. We have enough coverage for Murphy and Simpson.

 

[HBF]

Will Teague look at Adelaide for a few bargains?

He’d be thinking he could get the best out of a Laird, Smith, MCrouch etc. Proven footballers in some horrible form.

Wouldn’t mind taking a punt on one at the right price. Teague would know best. Laird my pick of the bunch.

And maybe Austin could look at the Dogs as well.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

It’s going to be interesting to see how we play a few of our kids over the next 8 rounds.
I keep hearing a lot of talk about trying players like Cunners and SPS time in the midfield but personally if we are going down that path then surely we actually invest those opportunities into our best asset in that area in Walsh. Doesn’t have to be full time but surely give him a taste of it before anyone else. I really don’t think we invested pick 1 on him to sit him out on a wing his whole career so he should be the cab off the rank.
Cuningham is a tough one. He doesn’t look like a footballer more just a guy with a couple of great footballing traits. For me he just isn’t smart enough or good enough to play anything other then a specific role. He needs a job imo. I wouldn’t be against him playing on someone like Gaff this week as he does have the weapons to hurt him going the other way. Long term maybe even a defensive forward who plays on the guys like Daniel, Whitfield, Doc ect. Part of me wants to see him get time in the midfield but there are only so many spots in there and it seems almost wasted developing him there when it’s probably fully expected that guys like Setterfield and Walsh will be the long term future not Cuningham so just seems like somewhat of a waste giving him that time and not those other guys.
SPS is also another hard one to judge. Personally I think he would play better individual footy playing more midfield but I’m not sure that he would make us a better team in doing so. Setterfield, Cripps and SPS would look nice but I could see them being exploited massively by sides with better runners. They just don’t have the running power of other strong sides. I would be keeping him down back because I now think that is where his long term future is with the way our midfield looks to be developing with a lack of speed. In saying that if Setters or Kennedy don’t develop like we hope that could easily change.

I really like a Setterfield, Cripps combo but one negative is that is makes the third position in there difficult to fill. Walsh and Dow are probably the best two options on our list to do so but I also think it puts a lot of pressure on us to find genuine pace out on the wings. Imo we need Fisher back in to try and add that zip around the edges of the contests and be that second link in the chain being delivered the ball by Cripps, Curnow, Setterfield and then out to the outside players. I’ve been totally against gifting games but if his attitude is right LOB may be the guy to give game time to. We really need to find out what we have got on the outside and he is about the only one who has the mix we need but the problem is we don’t even know if he is any good or not.
We really need a couple of things in the back half of this year and that’s for one of our young kids to actually become a good second midfielder, not just glimpses but playing good consistent footy. The quicker we find out if they are the players who are going to drive our improvement or are going to just be role players the quicker the club can work out who they should be chasing. The second one is find out if LOB, Cuningham and Fisher are going to offer that pace around the ball or if they aren’t up to it because that will dramatically influence who we chase. We still have Philp as this type on our list so this could either be a massive problem or we might just be jumping at shadows.

 

[2blue4u]

It’s going to be interesting to see how we play a few of our kids over the next 8 rounds.
I keep hearing a lot of talk about trying players like Cunners and SPS time in the midfield but personally if we are going down that path then surely we actually invest those opportunities into our best asset in that area in Walsh. Doesn’t have to be full time but surely give him a taste of it before anyone else. I really don’t think we invested pick 1 on him to sit him out on a wing his whole career so he should be the cab off the rank.
Cuningham is a tough one. He doesn’t look like a footballer more just a guy with a couple of great footballing traits. For me he just isn’t smart enough or good enough to play anything other then a specific role. He needs a job imo. I wouldn’t be against him playing on someone like Gaff this week as he does have the weapons to hurt him going the other way. Long term maybe even a defensive forward who plays on the guys like Daniel, Whitfield, Doc ect. Part of me wants to see him get time in the midfield but there are only so many spots in there and it seems almost wasted developing him there when it’s probably fully expected that guys like Setterfield and Walsh will be the long term future not Cuningham so just seems like somewhat of a waste giving him that time and not those other guys.
SPS is also another hard one to judge. Personally I think he would play better individual footy playing more midfield but I’m not sure that he would make us a better team in doing so. Setterfield, Cripps and SPS would look nice but I could see them being exploited massively by sides with better runners. They just don’t have the running power of other strong sides. I would be keeping him down back because I now think that is where his long term future is with the way our midfield looks to be developing with a lack of speed. In saying that if Setters or Kennedy don’t develop like we hope that could easily change.

I really like a Setterfield, Cripps combo but one negative is that is makes the third position in there difficult to fill. Walsh and Dow are probably the best two options on our list to do so but I also think it puts a lot of pressure on us to find genuine pace out on the wings. Imo we need Fisher back in to try and add that zip around the edges of the contests and be that second link in the chain being delivered the ball by Cripps, Curnow, Setterfield and then out to the outside players. I’ve been totally against gifting games but if his attitude is right LOB may be the guy to give game time to. We really need to find out what we have got on the outside and he is about the only one who has the mix we need but the problem is we don’t even know if he is any good or not.
We really need a couple of things in the back half of this year and that’s for one of our young kids to actually become a good second midfielder, not just glimpses but playing good consistent footy. The quicker we find out if they are the players who are going to drive our improvement or are going to just be role players the quicker the club can work out who they should be chasing. The second one is find out if LOB, Cuningham and Fisher are going to offer that pace around the ball or if they aren’t up to it because that will dramatically influence who we chase. We still have Philp as this type on our list so this could either be a massive problem or we might just be jumping at shadows.

Cunners played his best game for the year in a midfield role i would not mind seeing him get another crack at it. I think 1 of our biggest problems is 4 of our mids are inside mids and all 4 of them are unreliable by foot. We have the same problem as Crows have . Plenty of extractors just no polish on the outside. Plus all 4 of those blokes except probably Ed get hurt a fair bit the other way. We need some silk in there. SPS is the one that springs to mind. He lowers his eyes and is probably the most reliable kick we have. He has silky skills which i personally believe are wasted in the back line. I would give him the role of running with Gaff and make him accountable as it seems his defensive efforts lack a bit of heart sometimes. I am not sure why we draft guys who excel in 1 position then play them in another position. Walsh i would leave on the wing he can run all day and his disposal is a bit of a worry at times. I think for now the wing suits him better. I think we can do better with our mid set up for sure. Example drop Moore fill that spot with Kennedy then he can rotate with Crippa and Setters. Move SPS to the middle who can rotate with Cunners through the forward line. Maybe try Fish , Lob or Dow in the position of SPS. Dow and Fish might provide some good run off half back. I know 1 thing is we can not keep playing Ed, Kennedy, Setters and Crippa at every bounce. Too many inside mids.
I am not sure why we have veered off our path of playing the youngsters and giving them valuable experience and team building chemistry. As much as i love Murph, Simmo and Betts are we shooting ourselves in the foot considering these guys will not be part of our next serious tilt at finals/GF. Especially this year where there is no VFL and our youngsters are having to play in dodgy scratch matches. Personally i think it is time for the older guys to hang up the boots and let the young guys take over. We can not afford to be sentimental and carry players. Personally if these guys go on next year i think it will really set us back development wise. I know quite a few guys are coming back from injury but i would rather be playing more younger guys this year than 33+ year olds.

 

[Gethelred]

IMO we've gone to the draft enough now and it's time to make a statement and really target players that we need. We have space in our cap to really be aggressive as well. Williams and Papley on our list makes us a legit finals contender. And Charlie comes back as well.

The only hole we will need to consider replacing on our list will be Jones, who has done an amazing job when it looked like he'd be cut all of those years ago. We have enough coverage for Murphy and Simpson.

I do not think they alone propel us into top 4 contention. We need at least 1-2 midfield ins as well; someone more inside than out to compensate if Cripps is off and to supplement Setterfield and Walsh, and someone more dynamic that acts as a gobetween midfield and forward 50.

 

[HBF]

I do not think they alone propel us into top 4 contention. We need at least 1-2 midfield ins as well; someone more inside than out to compensate if Cripps is off and to supplement Setterfield and Walsh, and someone more dynamic that acts as a gobetween midfield and forward 50.

I'm hoping Dow might very well be that player. We've seen glimpses of what he can do, but there are quite a few aspects of his game that he needs to work on.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

I do not think they alone propel us into top 4 contention. We need at least 1-2 midfield ins as well; someone more inside than out to compensate if Cripps is off and to supplement Setterfield and Walsh, and someone more dynamic that acts as a gobetween midfield and forward 50.

I think it’ll be the same as this year where we need Willo, Setterfield, Kennedy, Walsh, Dow, LOB, SPS, Cuningham ect to go from either C graders to B graders or B graders to A graders. Until that happens we just won’t be consistent enough. Personally I would expect that to happen with enough of them that adding Williams and Papley should absolutely put us into contention. The age profile would be about perfect it’ll just depend on ability I guess.

 

[Coops93]

these were Mick McGuane's comments on Friday morning - seems prescient

JEKYLL AND HYDE BLUES

Carlton’s strength is its front-half game, with a strong scoring profile and the fifth-highest time in forward half differential this season.

That’s the good … and that’s a reason why they are in top 8 discussions.

Now, for the bad …

The Blues have conceded 28.8 points per game to opposition defensive half chains – 18th in the AFL.

The inability to defend opposition ball movement means they have allowed their opposition to generate an inside 50 from 41 per cent of their defensive-midfield chains, ranked 16th.

That’s why North Melbourne remained in the game last week longer than it should have.

David Teague also needs to be mindful of what is going on with his mids.

The Blues’ midfield depth has been impressive. But one aspect diminishes part of their good work.

Opposition midfielders are hitting the scoreboard too frequently against the Blues.

An increase in accountability must be a priority as the Blues have conceded 33 goals this year to opposition mids, mid-forwards and wingmen – the most of any side.

Clarko will look to use his most offensive weapons around the footy, not just to curtail Patrick Cripps, but to work off him, Marc Murphy and Will Setterfield when attacking.

The Blues must be wary of this. If Shiels, Jaeger O’Meara, Isaac Smith or Tom Scully hit the scoreboard, it could be disastrous for Teague and his men.

Interesting and makes a lot of sense.

I think man for man our defense could handle most forwardlines in the AFL, yet our defensive stats are pretty poor. I think that's got more to do with the type of ball that's coming in so often, most defenses can't do anything about it. Our midfield doesn't provide the pressure and our defense gets punished for it.

Thinking about it, of our midfielders only 1 could be considered good defensively - Ed Curnow. As much as everyone loves Cripps once the ball leaves the contest in opposition hands he's a liability, as is Kennedy, as is Murphy. Setterfield has great tackle numbers and inside the contest he's awesome, but once it gets out again he's a liability.

We lack 2 way midfielders and it crushes our back 6. Our gameplan also doesn't lend itself to good midfield pressure as Teague wants us to play attacking, so naturally we'll get forward and be lacking if there's a turnover.

It makes sense that the Hawks with there great running mids and St Kilda a very slick moving side both got hold of us and have made us look elementary.

 

[Coops93]

Further to the above, our starting mids are generally a rotation of Cripps, Kennedy, Setterfield and Curnow at centre bounces. For me that's far too big and slow, and was really exposed by Hawthorn. I think at least 1 guy has to be a runner - Walsh, Fisher, Cuningham for example. Martin perhaps more frequently than he currently is, though that takes away from the forwards. Have to get that balance right if so.

 

[Gw2_James]

Well if anything, that game against hawthorn just showed how lacking we are in the midfield. We must go after experienced midfielders this year. I'd love papley, and i won't throw a fit if we get him, id just rather we use our resources on midfielders.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

Interesting and makes a lot of sense.

I think man for man our defense could handle most forwardlines in the AFL, yet our defensive stats are pretty poor. I think that's got more to do with the type of ball that's coming in so often, most defenses can't do anything about it. Our midfield doesn't provide the pressure and our defense gets punished for it.

Thinking about it, of our midfielders only 1 could be considered good defensively - Ed Curnow. As much as everyone loves Cripps once the ball leaves the contest in opposition hands he's a liability, as is Kennedy, as is Murphy. Setterfield has great tackle numbers and inside the contest he's awesome, but once it gets out again he's a liability.

We lack 2 way midfielders and it crushes our back 6. Our gameplan also doesn't lend itself to good midfield pressure as Teague wants us to play attacking, so naturally we'll get forward and be lacking if there's a turnover.

It makes sense that the Hawks with there great running mids and St Kilda a very slick moving side both got hold of us and have made us look elementary.

Spot on and that’s why I’m torn on where to play SPS because he is another one that will get exposed with that group. It could also be why Stocker can’t get a look in too.

 

[Coops93]

Spot on and that’s why I’m torn on where to play SPS because he is another one that will get exposed with that group. It could also be why Stocker can’t get a look in too.

It's also why I'm nervous about us targeting and being willing to give up so much for Wines and/or Crouch. Basically the same can be said of them. Not much defensive chase in them.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Someone bought up a fantastic point on here that, because of the lack of proper reserves football, our young guys like Dow and TDK will be effectively losing a year in development if we don't play them.

 

[FairKouta]

I want jacob hopper. I remember sos went hard for him but he re-signed wonder if we go at him again.

 

[FairKouta]

That draft year just seem to be finding their feet after a very slow start. Coffield and Clark also looking the goods atm.

Clark is going to be a top 10 in the future way too composed and strong not to be good. Saints have a beauty

 

[Coops93]

I want jacob hopper. I remember sos went hard for him but he re-signed wonder if we go at him again.

At the Suns game yesterday he and Whitfield stood out for me. It looks like Hopper is much leaner these days, it's really helped him.

I was blown away by Whitfield tbh the way he runs is just unbelievable. I always knew he was skillful but the way he gets up and down the field is just remarkable. A couple of times he got the ball and I went "What? Wasn't he just in the back pocket? How's he in the centre circle already?".

 

[CJMB]

At the Suns game yesterday he and Whitfield stood out for me. It looks like Hopper is much leaner these days, it's really helped him.

I was blown away by Whitfield tbh the way he runs is just unbelievable. I always knew he was skillful but the way he gets up and down the field is just remarkable. A couple of times he got the ball and I went "What? Wasn't he just in the back pocket? How's he in the centre circle already?".

Jet. Would love him in navy blue if it was somehow possible

 

[Coops93]

Jet. Would love him in navy blue if it was somehow possible

After seeing him yesterday if there was 1 player in the comp I could have it'd be him. His defensive running is just as hard as his attacking run.

I don't want to go on too much, but watching him on TV and based on commentators etc. I knew he was a good player, but seeing him live and noticing just how quickly and smoothly he just gets from the back pocket to attacking wing back down to the back pocket I'm blown away. He must be close to the fittest guy in the comp.

 

[FairKouta]

At the Suns game yesterday he and Whitfield stood out for me. It looks like Hopper is much leaner these days, it's really helped him.

I was blown away by Whitfield tbh the way he runs is just unbelievable. I always knew he was skillful but the way he gets up and down the field is just remarkable. A couple of times he got the ball and I went "What? Wasn't he just in the back pocket? How's he in the centre circle already?".

One of the better pick 1 s

 

[Gethelred]

Okay.

Out of a combination of being required to read something I don't want to read for uni and a genuine interest in finding a series of left field options, I'm going to throw some names out there from just having a look over the teams with excess of what I think we need: a small forward, a midfielder/forward, an outside mid, and a rebounding defender.

Dan Houston

Dan Houston of the Collingwood Magpies Player Profile and AFL Stats

Dan Houston of the Collingwood Magpies profile and AFL statistics.

www.footywire.com

He's not played crazy games, but he's not a young kid and has taken his first steps out there in the AFL this season. Could be worth a look.

Trent Burgoyne

draftcentral.com.au

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Now, this'd be speculative, but he'd be relatively cheap. He's an outside midfielder with a high kicks to handball ratio and exceptional skills. What I would like to know - which isn't on his draft profile or anything I could find - is if he loves a tackle.

He's not kicked a ball in anger, due to hamstring issues, and is out of contract at the end of the season.

Jack Patmore

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He's a member of the 2017 Superdraft, and so it's interesting to read this in the light of the fact he went pick 58. He's an accumulating outside mid/running defender, who polled 40 possessions in the champs which is insane. His weaknesses were his endurance - with Russell at the club and our leadership looking pretty good, coupled with him currently being at Port, I don't know if that'd be an issue for much longer - and his inside game. We would not be recruiting him for his inside game, and just have him accumulate on the outside and form that link between forward and back.

We've not seen any of him because he ruptured his ACL at the start of 2019. Offer something that'd make them sit up and pay attention, and they might flinch.

The next group are more established players who fulfil the needs we have.

Lachie Hunter

Lachlan Hunter of the Melbourne Demons Player Profile and AFL Stats

Lachlan Hunter of the Melbourne Demons profile and AFL statistics.

www.footywire.com

He's an idiot, but he's also a gun. He'd completely replace Newnes on a wing, and probably force Walsh back into the stoppage. He would not be cheap, but so too would he not be on much coin, such is the importance of other players to WB. He's someone you offer overs in coin to want to come over to play for us - overs over time rather than a big signup - and you slot straight in.

Karl Amon

Karl Amon of the Hawthorn Hawks Player Profile and AFL Stats

Karl Amon of the Hawthorn Hawks profile and AFL statistics.

www.footywire.com

Now, you'd think he'd be hard to dislodge, being in the middle of a contract, but he's second tier behind a number of very competent players in Boak, Ebert Wines. They've got a second tier of midfield talent coming through, so there's a chance we could get him on the cheap if we think he's a way to go.

Kamdyn Macintosh

Kamdyn McIntosh of the Richmond Tigers Player Profile and AFL Stats

Kamdyn McIntosh of the Richmond Tigers profile and AFL statistics.

www.footywire.com

Kamdyn's a bit riskier, because while he's played plenty of footy he's as much an unfulfilled potential as any in the afl. He's 191 cm and 91kg, so he's big and strong, is rather quick for his size, and is capable of gamebreaking play at times, but by and large he's not been able to live up to his potential as yet. He's also 26, so he'd want to get going fairly soon.

What he'd bring is experience with a successful program, wouldn't cost much you'd think - as a lesser light in that team - and can really play any position around the midfield as a true utility.

Cedric Cox

Cedric Cox of the Brisbane Lions Player Profile and AFL Stats

Cedric Cox of the Brisbane Lions profile and AFL statistics.

www.footywire.com

Cedric is classy, but seems to have fallen behind some others in Brisbane's forward line. He's played very, very well - his highest possession game was against us - before, so he could be quite a decent option as that fast HFF/FP. Big thing is, he's got midfield chops as well.

Ollie Florent

Oliver Florent of the Carlton Blues Player Profile and AFL Stats

Oliver Florent of the Carlton Blues profile and AFL statistics.

www.footywire.com

We know Ollie's good. He's essentially a younger version of Hunter, with a more rounded game. I'd be very interested in getting in his ear and seeing how happy he is knowing he's going to be in Sydney for the next 5 years before they become a real finals prospect, because he'd be a magnificent get.

Brandon Parfitt

Brandan Parfitt of the Geelong Cats Player Profile and AFL Stats

Brandan Parfitt of the Geelong Cats profile and AFL statistics.

www.footywire.com

Parfitt is out of contract at the end of the season, and he's taken big strides this year. He's a huge tackler - averaging 6.9 tackles a game! - as well as averaging 15 possessions a match too. I'm all about getting him to Carlton; he feels like he's been around for a while, but he's only 22. He'd play in front of Kennedy as a pure mid, and he'd work off Cripps extremely well.

Brent Daniels

Brent Daniels of the GWS Giants Player Profile and AFL Stats

Brent Daniels of the GWS Giants profile and AFL statistics.

www.footywire.com

The very definition of a small forward. He or Ian Hill would be the way I'd go; he hasn't kicked crazy goals just yet, but he could be a terrific get.

So, any combination of these players could make for an interesting picture: Hunter, Parfitt and Daniels gives us an immediate improvement through the midfield and someone to serve as an understudy to Betts. Florent, Macintosh and Papley goes pretty well too. Amon, Patmore and Hill looks pretty good too.

My preference would be Patmore, Parfitt and Hill. Those three players make us a very interesting propostion going forward. However, we would need to ensure that we retained our experienced options, because of those three Parfit's the oldest at 22; we would be selecting them on potential rather than proven output,

 

[Opine]

Dear Horsey

Tell the nuggety FP, that his worth to Sydney far exceeds his worth to some of the other teams; especially my mob whose forward line is fairly well under control.

Explain to the non-nuggety FP that, like a Capper many years before, if he leaves he may not reach the heights he’s reaching in Sin City. He and Sydney were made for each other.

Best of luck.
We don’t want him.

Me.

 

[BlueTang]

Does anyone know how BSOS is coming along? Looking likely for a game in the ones soon? Will he remain on the list next year?

 

[Arr0w]

Spot on and that’s why I’m torn on where to play SPS because he is another one that will get exposed with that group. It could also be why Stocker can’t get a look in too.

SPS pace is underrated, Stocker has burst and mongrel

I agree with you, we need more zip at centre bounces and stoppages

Each time we get exposed it's on the outside, we get drawn too far in, as our defensive running is actually very good

Also agree its born from our game style, we need better tempo when the opposition score multiple goals and or if our avenues have been closed down