List Mgmt. 2020 List Management

[FitzroyBlueBagger]

*Marchbank is not a KPD he’s a third tall...
*Goddard is VFL level will be delisted he was basically picked up for injury cover...
*B.Silvagni 197cm 87kg he’s going to take another 2/3 years to fully build up to cope playing as a proper KPD...
*Macreadie 198cm 93kg very quick athletic for his size I’m not quite sure whether he’ll be a true KPD... hopefully
*Definitly will need a 200cm plus KPD for future position that can play in these modern monster forwards...
*Definitly will need another young developing ruckman for when Kruezer hangs them up either this year or next...
*Quick attacking small/medium defender
*Quick skilled medium midfielder
*Quick dangerous small/medium forwards
*Quick skilled attacking wingman

 

[HARKER]

In his press conference when talking about the tackle on SPS he said we want him to hunt the ball that is his strength I nearly choked on my peanut-- why play him at hb

Well, we best get used to it, as not all our young mids can/will play midfield.
That was patently obvious last year and will become ever so much more next year....and clearing Murphy & ECurnow won't make much difference either.

It was good to hear Teague say what he did about Fisher, in that Fisher didn't want to be a small forward but a midfielder.
We've had this issue previously but it's likely to only compound once other young mids start demanding senior selection.

Some may say that this is a good problem to have, but I see it as somewhat of a possible waste of resources.
We'll see but it's going to be hard fitting in all premium-picked mids, in Dow, Stocker, Philp, Kemp, O'Brien into our starting line-up, whilst still picking up more midfielders at the trade table.

 

[HARKER]

I am very keen on Phillips. He’s a lethal player. We have to give him another year next year.

We have to. We knew Phillips to be a longer term prospect and given what we've seen of him to date, he should treated accordingly.
There aren't many that can find the goals he does, but his body is ever so slight and not AFL ready.
Hard to gauge what sort of person he may be from the other side of the fence, but he does seem to be a bit of a shy type....for whatever that may mean.

Interesting that our rookie picks have been dismal until after the rookie draft in 2018 where we took on Goddard and Bugg.
Since then we took Gibbons & Cottrell in the 2018 supplementary draft and then Honey & Phillips in last years rookie drafts.
What a difference these 4 players are compared to what came before them from 2015 onwards.

 

[Arr0w]

Well, we best get used to it, as not all our young mids can/will play midfield.
That was patently obvious last year and will become ever so much more next year....and clearing Murphy & ECurnow won't make much difference either.

It was good to hear Teague say what he did about Fisher, in that Fisher didn't want to be a small forward but a midfielder.
We've had this issue previously but it's likely to only compound once other young mids start demanding senior selection.

Some may say that this is a good problem to have, but I see it as somewhat of a possible waste of resources.
We'll see but it's going to be hard fitting in all premium-picked mids, in Dow, Stocker, Philp, Kemp, O'Brien into our starting line-up, whilst still picking up more midfielders at the trade table.

Where did Fisher say he didn't want to be a small forward?

 

[Team DJ]

Last ill say on it.

Every single draft retrospective have players from deep in a draft that should have been higher. Bad receuiting... maybe.

A fact that can't be argued however, is that KPD is a position in which there are countless times a player has either slipped. Converted from another role. Or been traded for peanuts.

And secondly, the original point on Pearce. Wietering, and more pressingly Jones aren't going anywhere for at least 2 years. The price it costs to get an Alex Pearce into the club, to realistically be a depth piece for at least two years is far better spent elsewhere. And considering the above, you can spend a far less valuable asset on a player via draft or trade to develop and potentially fill the void of Liam Jones. The asset it costs for Pearce, in Carltons situation, is far better spent elsewhere.

I am not sure how any of that can be disputed. If they genuinely think that DGB will be the next Alex Rance, and he is that far and away a better prospect then anyone else at our pick, then obviously you take him. However, in Carltons situation with the list profile we have, I can't help but feel that pick would be far better spent in a trade for an A Grader. We have enough high end 19 - 21 year old talent.

 

[HereComesJuddy]

Well, we best get used to it, as not all our young mids can/will play midfield.
That was patently obvious last year and will become ever so much more next year....and clearing Murphy & ECurnow won't make much difference either.

It was good to hear Teague say what he did about Fisher, in that Fisher didn't want to be a small forward but a midfielder.
We've had this issue previously but it's likely to only compound once other young mids start demanding senior selection.

Some may say that this is a good problem to have, but I see it as somewhat of a possible waste of resources.
We'll see but it's going to be hard fitting in all premium-picked mids, in Dow, Stocker, Philp, Kemp, O'Brien into our starting line-up, whilst still picking up more midfielders at the trade table.

I don't think our midfield will be all that bad next year with another year into the kids. I'm bullish about what we already have on our list

 

[Bryce Bubbles]

People banging on about SPS being played out of position and needing to go in the middle can any of you tell me apart the doggies game last year where he dominated or played well regularly in that position? If not I suggest we move on from the discussion and realise he just might not be as good as we hoped he would be.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

We need speed

I figured Bryce would be a like for like replacement for Simon but it is a reasonable point and with Doc on the other flank we might just be a bit sameish.. who are the better run and carry realistic options, our own Bachar Houli?

 

[DangerousD]

Where did Fisher say he didn't want to be a small forward?

Teague mentioned it in his press conference after the WC game, he said that Zac wasn’t to keen at first.

 

[HavUEvaSeenTheRain]

... because the roles that they're playing are a bit less burdensome than what's required of Dow, and LOB had further to go than either of them.

I don't really know what this kind of musing achieves, beyond prompting a bout of depression. That entire 2017 draft was amazing, with quality all the way through; comparing first round picks from previous years to kids who if transplanted into that year would've gone inside the first round doesn't accomplish much.

At least, beyond wanting to go outside into the rain, fall to ones knees, and to cry out at an indifferent universe.

Their roles are less burdensome then Dows at least but they are also 12 months behind in the system and they came into the system as less physically developed as our two.
I was just noting that those two are much more advanced then you would expect and it looks like they are developing their kids well.
Why I compare them to us? the only kids on our list who I would say are more advanced then expected are Walsh and Weitering and they were special talents and to be honest most probably expected them to be where they are atm even though that is extremely high. They were ready made players.
The other dozen or so kids (TDK excluded) there would be none off the top of my head that are ahead of where you would at least expect in development. A lot are showing less then we would have hoped.

the reason I mention Butters and Duursma are that they came into the system looking like it would take them years to be physically ready to compete. Georgiade has just came into that club this year after missing an entire season and has played some really good games. I just think they might be doing something right, maybe there are things our club could learn maybe not.

 

[Arr0w]

Teague mentioned it in his press conference after the WC game, he said that Zac wasn’t to keen at first.

I have never seen Fisher as an out and out mid, nor was he at junior level, more that Gresham type in time

Great move by Teague and the club

Hopefully the fictional labeling of players ceases

 

[BlueView]

Ide pay a mid to late first rounder if North were willing to depart with Ben Cunnington. He’s 29 no speed demon but uncompromising and the perfect example for our kids. Dunno whether North would part with him, if they are fair dinkum about the rebuild they should have a think about it. Doesn’t address our speed issue but you would work around it because he brings so much to the table

You would get at least two years out of him while our drafted mids came on. A dose of hardness this team could use.

 

[bigm386]

Ide pay a mid to late first rounder if North were willing to depart with Ben Cunnington. He’s 29 no speed demon but uncompromising and the perfect example for our kids. Dunno whether North would part with him, if they are fair dinkum about the rebuild they should have a think about it. Doesn’t address our speed issue but you would work around it because he brings so much to the table

You would get at least two years out of him while our drafted mids came on. A dose of hardness this team could use.

I'd rather we handed back the keys to the AFL.

The absolute last thing we need is another slow plodding midfielder. We probably have the slowest midfield in the comp as is and seem to refuse to pay anyone with pace through the middle or wings.

Not to mention a 2nd round pick can still be a very good player.

 

[BlueView]

I'd rather we handed back the keys to the AFL.

The absolute last thing we need is another slow plodding midfielder. We probably have the slowest midfield in the comp as is and seem to refuse to pay anyone with pace through the middle or wings.

Bit melodramatic, Dow and Philp will be getting time through there. He’s a damn good player with leadership in spades

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Ide pay a mid to late first rounder if North were willing to depart with Ben Cunnington. He’s 29 no speed demon but uncompromising and the perfect example for our kids. Dunno whether North would part with him, if they are fair dinkum about the rebuild they should have a think about it. Doesn’t address our speed issue but you would work around it because he brings so much to the table

You would get at least two years out of him while our drafted mids came on. A dose of hardness this team could use.

TBH there is nothing on the North list that interest me.. all the same type vanilla footballers, rather stick with what we have.

 

[bigm386]

Bit melodramatic, Dow and Philp will be getting time through there. He’s a damn good player with leadership in spades

Dow, Philip, SPS, Walsh, LoB and Fisher are currently not getting midfield minutes. Adding Ben Cunnington does not help that situation.

Adding Cunnington to a midfield comprising Cripps, Curnow, Setterfield, Kennedy and Murphy would actually be insane.

Unless we plan on retiring Murphy and Curnow which we won't.

Not saying he isn't a good player but he is the absolute opposite of what we need.

 

[bigm386]

TBH there is nothing on the North list that interest me.. all the same type vanilla footballers, rather stick with what we have.

The only two players which Slobbo raised (16 he thinks will go) which are honestly of interest are Majak Daw and Ben Brown. But obviously not for our list.

Both would be good at a club like Collingwood.

 

[CJMB]

Ide pay a mid to late first rounder if North were willing to depart with Ben Cunnington. He’s 29 no speed demon but uncompromising and the perfect example for our kids. Dunno whether North would part with him, if they are fair dinkum about the rebuild they should have a think about it. Doesn’t address our speed issue but you would work around it because he brings so much to the table

You would get at least two years out of him while our drafted mids came on. A dose of hardness this team could use.

Couldn't see Norf letting him go, couldn't see him wanting to leave 'off broadway' where he's out of the limelight, also as good as he is I don't think he's a priority, we need speed and footskills (and 2 way running).

If everyone was available, he's might just taking Ed's spot? A starting trio of Cripps, Ed & BC while very physical and aggressive/combative is hardly going to cut another team to pieces.

It's why we've all lost our **** in previous years about the possibility of Kelly, Shiel, Coniglio, etc. They add something different to the mix. It's the same reason why I'm bloody keen for Dow to get in the team, he adds a level of dynamics and pace that Cripps, Setterfield, Ed, Walsh, Kennedy, etc don't have.

 

[BlueView]

Dow, Philip, SPS, Walsh, LoB and Fisher are currently not getting midfield minutes. Adding Ben Cunnington does not help that situation.

Adding Cunnington to a midfield comprising Cripps, Curnow, Setterfield, Kennedy and Murphy would actually be insane.

Unless we plan on retiring Murphy and Curnow which we won't.

Not saying he isn't a good player but he is the absolute opposite of what we need.

Kennedy, Murphy wouldn’t be in the picture under that scenario and he’d play before Ed. I’m not sure there’s any other top notch quality mids in the 23-27 bracket that will depart this year from other clubs

 

[CJMB]

Lachie Hunter gettable according to Caro?...

Contracted until the end of 2024 but relationship with the club may have 'frayed', could be looking for a fresh start after a tumultuous year.

Would we bite? What's his value?

 

[CJMB]

The only two players which Slobbo raised (16 he thinks will go) which are honestly of interest are Majak Daw and Ben Brown. But obviously not for our list.

Both would be good at a club like Collingwood.

I'd take Simpkin if for some reason Norf were stupid enough to let him go and their asking price wasn't insane.

Played crap against us, but the poor b****** copped an Ed tag the week after being knocked the **** out.

 

[BlueJet]

Go through the AFL and tell me how many best 22 KPDs, or players that are 192cm+ that play in the back half were drafted in the Top 20 or paid a premium for via trade.

Then compare that to those who were drafted 30+, transformed forwards or bargain bin trades/FA pick ups.

It isn't a necessity to do so. Especially for a team that has that spot locked in, with some adequate depth pieces if worst comes to worse

The same could be said for small forwards but it doesn't stop you advocating for the recruitment of one as a priority.
We cannot afford to be blinkered or reactionary with our list management, it's how you miss opportunities to improve the list & end up stagnating.

 

[bigm386]

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Hoping this isn't paywalled, wasn't for me.

Surely TDK stays in article saying will make way for McKay.

 

[Brackets]

Well, we best get used to it, as not all our young mids can/will play midfield.
That was patently obvious last year and will become ever so much more next year....and clearing Murphy & ECurnow won't make much difference either.

It was good to hear Teague say what he did about Fisher, in that Fisher didn't want to be a small forward but a midfielder.
We've had this issue previously but it's likely to only compound once other young mids start demanding senior selection.

Some may say that this is a good problem to have, but I see it as somewhat of a possible waste of resources.
We'll see but it's going to be hard fitting in all premium-picked mids, in Dow, Stocker, Philp, Kemp, O'Brien into our starting line-up, whilst still picking up more midfielders at the trade table.

I don't mind trialing players in other positions, but when it becomes clear it's not going to work a call needs to be made. SPS is not a defender, so if we don't see him as part of our midfield then trade him for an actual defender.

Whether that player has a lower ceiling/less skillful on paper, or SPS goes on to be a great mid is beside the point if it helps improves our balance

 

[CaressMyBlues]

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Hoping this isn't paywalled, wasn't for me.

Surely TDK stays in article saying will make way for McKay.

I'll have an aneurysm if they play Moore or put McKay in the ruck with Pittonet unless something wrong with TDK.