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[sparkyblue]

Our issues come back to our midfield applying little to no pressure on the defensive end when they tire not being able to hit targets by foot. If you fix this our defenders get the game played on their terms by having time to zone off and split contests instead of being one on one in dangerous areas. Also guys like Harry actually get the ball kicked to them where they like it instead of being expected to work miracles every game out flying blokes in a pack of 8.

This is right on the money and represents the venom I spew watching us every week. Ed aside (and he is limited), our mids refuse to be accountable for their direct opponents. Defensively you have two choices, man-marking or defending space (zones) at stoppages. Our blokes do neither. The modern game is won and lost in midfield and our inability to develop, recruit or trade for quality midfielders is exposed almost every week.

 

[Blue__Balls]

Viney is average, small, poor runner, average skills,aren’t we saying our midfield is too one paced.

The issue with our midfield isn't that it's one-paced, it's that we don't have enough blokes with an ingrained desire to win the contest. Too many passive players.

Viney may not be elite, but he's a significant step up from "average". He's a competitor, who can absolutely play to a high enough standard.

If Dow can find that competitive, alpha streak, Viney wouldn't be required. But Dow showed what I was concerned about against Collingwood...that he's still not ready to be the big dog in the middle.

 

[Elmer_Hauser]

This is right on the money and represents the venom I spew watching us every week. Ed aside (and he is limited), our mids refuse to be accountable for their direct opponents. Defensively you have two choices, man-marking or defending space (zones) at stoppages. Our blokes do neither. The modern game is won and lost in midfield and our inability to develop, recruit or trade for quality midfielders is exposed almost every week.

Very astute observation for the most part, although disagree with the Ed is limited part.

This (lack of qualify young midfielder development) has been a real problem at our club for many years.

Really frustrating how a team like Freo is seemingly able to draft and develop young midfield talent with ease, whereas we are still having trouble making Dow and LOB work/fit into our system.

It's an area of the football and coaching department we simply must improve if we are ever going to be a threat for the flag again.

 

[Arr0w]

We are only one quality mid away from playing finals next year, as most of our improvement will come from within

Dow has always concerned me, but will improve, it'smid or bust. LOB isn't an inside mid, he will add to our wings where he will be used as a 2 way runner/finisher

Where our greatest improvement will come, will be the likes of Kemp, Stocker, Philp, Ramsay, Honey, they all have point of difference

SPS needs to go back to the middle now

Fisher needs to be used in a Gresham type role

 

[jpfalvo]

This is right on the money and represents the venom I spew watching us every week. Ed aside (and he is limited), our mids refuse to be accountable for their direct opponents. Defensively you have two choices, man-marking or defending space (zones) at stoppages. Our blokes do neither. The modern game is won and lost in midfield and our inability to develop, recruit or trade for quality midfielders is exposed almost every week.

Only been going on for 15years

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[The Grover]

We are only one quality mid away from playing finals next year, as most of our improvement will come from within

Dow has always concerned me, but will improve, it'smid or bust. LOB isn't an inside mid, he will add to our wings where he will be used as a 2 way runner/finisher

Where our greatest improvement will come, will be the likes of Kemp, Stocker, Philp, Ramsay, Honey, they all have point of difference

SPS needs to go back to the middle now

Fisher needs to be used in a Gresham type role

We are pinning our hopes on the latest draft batch of kids.

If the likes of SPS, Dow, O’Brien, Marchbank, Kennedy, MCGovern, Williamson don’t start impacting more, then the rebuild will slow significantly.

 

[CJMB]

Im starting to get really worried about the output of Harry McKay.
His 5th year in the system, approaching 50 games. Putting some really poor numbers up. And what's with the constant leading to tight in the right forward pocket?
His lower-rated brother's output is now better. I'm not sure Harry's the right KPF to be pinning a lot of our hopes on.

We missed having Mitch out there. The forward line was static, no one was trying to create space, leading into dangerous areas, trying to move the defenders around to best suit us. Our mids struggled and when they did get the ball they often looked up to see a hot mess of a forward line. Last week someone quoted the stat that on average we score something 16 points more a game when Mitch plays.

 

[Arr0w]

We are pinning our hopes on the latest draft batch of kids.

If the likes of SPS, Dow, O’Brien, Marchbank, Kennedy, MCGovern, Williamson don’t start impacting more, then the rebuild will slow significantly.

Some impact early, others take longer, some are always injured

 

[CJMB]

I think we need to replicate what the Dogs have done with Tim English with TDK.. He has shown enough to indicate he will be our #1 ruck moving forward and we need to take a few bad performances knowing that getting games into him will bring us closer to a flag. Pittonet is a great back up option to cover for injury.. Playing them both in the same side does not work..

Where does this leave Kruezar?? Is he happy to be a 3rd choice ruck? He should look for a new home, the Cats might be a good option for him, send him with our blessing.

English who's 2 years older than TDK and managed 16 hitouts over the last 2 games? He's a gun around the ground, playing more as a tall midfielder, and he get's maybe 1 ridiculous highlight-reel hitout to advantage a game, but his actual ruck work still looks quite a while off. Even that huge game he had against Phillips at *, English still only managed 28 HO to Flip's 28... the 'huge' part of his game was 1 amazing tap, 17 contested possessions, 7 marks, 6 clearances and a goal. I'd be hoping TDKs ruck work comes on a bit faster than English's.

I think the dual rucks only works when both of them are legitimate forward options. Pitto & Kreuzer aren't that.

 

[The Grover]

Some impact early, others take longer, some are always injured

Agree, but this group has underperformed to date, hence my point about this group being important.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Some impact early, others take longer, some are always injured

And some never get there at all.

Wouldn’t mind something tried and tested.

I have faith in the SPS, Dow, LOB, Stocker types, but not enough to be relying on them for all of our improvement. Could get ugly if we’ve overestimated them.

 

[Gethelred]

Im starting to get really worried about the output of Harry McKay.
His 5th year in the system, approaching 50 games. Putting some really poor numbers up. And what's with the constant leading to tight in the right forward pocket?
His lower-rated brother's output is now better. I'm not sure Harry's the right KPF to be pinning a lot of our hopes on.

Of the KPP talent in that draft, only really Charlie Curnow and Harry Himmelberg as an academy player have outperformed him as KPF's. And we're not really pinning our hopes on Harry. We're pinning our hopes on Charlie, Gov and Harry, with TDK as a backup KPF.

I'd be interested to see his accuracy stats from that right pocket. As you know, defenders concede that lead to the pockets because it's a low percentage shot most of the time; if, for Harry, it ceases to be a low percentage shot...

We're a work in progress.

 

[Arr0w]

Agree, but this group has underperformed to date, hence my point about this group being important.

The players you have mentioned? Most yes but others like Weits, Charlie, H, Fisher, Walsh, Jack have performed well.

 

[The Grover]

The players you have mentioned? Most yes but others like Weits, Charlie, H, Fisher, Walsh, Jack have performed well.

Exactly that’s why I didn’t mention them, they have already proved to me they will match or exceed expectations.

 

[reubsblues]

We need to work out if Cuningham can play back imo, atleast he has the speed we lack and I just don’t think he is smart enough to play forward.
We are in a horrible position with our young mids. We still have no idea what we have outside of Walsh. We’ve invested so much in there and still don’t know if we have the talent yet.
fingers crossed we offer Williams an off he can’t refuse.
I would love us to chase B Smith or if all else fails Polec. We need that type desperately.
I’m still on Papley big time. We need another goal kicker. Jack Martin doesn’t do it enough and Fisher has kicked multiple goals once in his life. The biggest reason we need him is because we seem to have to play in such a risky manner to be able to give ourselves a chance to score. Put more talent up forward and play a more defensive style.

I was thinking that a few months ago I'd love to try Cunningham in the backline

 

[95blues]

We are only one quality mid away from playing finals next year, as most of our improvement will come from within

Dow has always concerned me, but will improve, it'smid or bust. LOB isn't an inside mid, he will add to our wings where he will be used as a 2 way runner/finisher

Where our greatest improvement will come, will be the likes of Kemp, Stocker, Philp, Ramsay, Honey, they all have point of difference

SPS needs to go back to the middle now

Fisher needs to be used in a Gresham type role

I'm not knocking this post, but every year someone talks up "next year (insert 40th, 48th, 79th picks)" as players that are going to somehow become regular senior contributors.

Kemp will effectively be playing his 1st season, he MIGHT play 10 games in the 1s which would be a great outcome.

The rest you mentioned, I can't see any reason why we'll see more than 10 total senior games between them.

Its largely going to be the same 22 that's been out there most of this season with an improved TDK and possibly a fit Charlie & Mcgovern.

Fingers crossed Dow,LOB,Cunningham can be what we hope, otherwise there's a bit of a vacuum for mine.

 

[plentyblckie]

Our bidding will only help his next contract. We will not get Kelly. How many more examples do we need to see.

We shouldnt worry bout what we all think..go and ask the qtion not only on him but others

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

I was thinking that a few months ago I'd love to try Cunningham in the backline

He was bog, playing as a mid against ***
Why not persist with that? If he can ever get fit

 

[ITCHY EYEBALLS]

Every game Simmo and Murph get is a game some of our youngsters don't.
Stuff feeling obligated to play them because they've been great servants, we need to see if some of these young guys can play.
We need to keep pushing forward, not regress to the past

 

[Arr0w]

I'm not knocking this post, but every year someone talks up "next year (insert 40th, 48th, 79th picks)" as players that are going to somehow become regular senior contributors.

Kemp will effectively be playing his 1st season, he MIGHT play 10 games in the 1s which would be a great outcome.

The rest you mentioned, I can't see any reason why we'll see more than 10 total senior games between them.

Its largely going to be the same 22 that's been out there most of this season with an improved TDK and possibly a fit Charlie & Mcgovern.

Fingers crossed Dow,LOB,Cunningham can be what we hope, otherwise there's a bit of a vacuum for mine.

And since 2018, every year we have improved, as a team

 

[95blues]

And since 2018, every year we have improved, as a team

Oh I fully expect 6th-8th next season purely on improvements within our default 18.

I just don't think we can point at our entire raft of annual picks as being the reason.

If we were to lose Murph (and I think we should), Simmo, Ed and Eddie my expectation changes to 9th-12th.

 

[BluesRule]

Oh I fully expect 6th-8th next season purely on improvements within our default 18.

I just don't think we can point at our entire raft of annual picks as being the reason.

If we were to lose Murph (and I think we should), Simmo, Ed and Eddie my expectation changes to 9th-12th.

Why Ed? He is still getting better every year?

 

[95blues]

Why Ed? He is still getting better every year?

Murph is the only one I think NEEDS to go. Ed is in my "we're in strife if he leaves" category.

 

[Arr0w]

Oh I fully expect 6th-8th next season purely on improvements within our default 18.

I just don't think we can point at our entire raft of annual picks as being the reason.

If we were to lose Murph (and I think we should), Simmo, Ed and Eddie my expectation changes to 9th-12th.

We still need senior players, bu not all of them.

Happy for Ed to stay on the list, but I would tap, Eddie, Simmo, Murphy and Krooz on the shoulder and say thanks, but next year we are heading in a different direction

 

[DirkDiggler]

Every game Simmo and Murph get is a game some of our youngsters don't.
Stuff feeling obligated to play them because they've been great servants, we need to see if some of these young guys can play.
We need to keep pushing forward, not regress to the past

Both Simmo and Murphy have been great servants of the club . If the club isnt prepared to make the tough call at the end of the year it will signal to me that we have a weak hierarchy and culture at the club. I wont blame the players for holding out for another contract but I will lose all respect I have for our football department and board of directors should these two continue.

Murph is the only one I think NEEDS to go. Ed is in my "we're in strife if he leaves" category.

You still want him kicking it to our forwards?