2020 Non-Crows AFL Discussion

[brucetiki]

working class is an odd way to say criminal.

Norwood supporters aren't known for intelligent, or constructive, comments.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Designs can be owned but colours can't, unless they're trying to just falsely copy a known brand for commercial purposes. The crappy Port prison bars design is patently different to Collingwood's black and white stripes, just as other clubs have our colours in different designs. Port can wear black, white or pink polkadots for all I care. They look like a SANFL side in that stupid guernsey and hopefully will play like one.

Colours can be trademarks and Collingwood would argue they have rights over the black and white stripes in an AFL competition just like Cadbury enforces it’s right to the colour purple.

And it would win.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Garry Hocking - nah

4 x top three in the Brownlow, also 6th/10th/14th. A level above Hayes IMO.

Greg Phillips played four years at Collingwood in his prime and was your quintessential good ordinary player. I didn't see him in the SANFL so not questioning his record there. But it was an eye-opener on what he showed in the VFL.

Mark Bickley, I've said my piece elsewhere. Good player but is the low bar for entry.

 

[1970crow]

Colours can be trademarks and Collingwood would argue they have rights over the black and white stripes in an AFL competition just like Cadbury enforces it’s right to the colour purple.

And it would win.

AFL owns the TM though. Pretty sure that’s what Eddie said.

 

[adelaidecrows]

AFL owns the TM though. Pretty sure that’s what Eddie said.

Port shouldn't wear it at all. However Eddie gave them special permission. How long do we think Port will just keep it at playing in showdowns before they ask for all home games bar Collingwood?

Also thinking about it, the prison bar jumper only looked its best in a lace up. It actually is a quite ugly jumper when in modern day fabric regulations. It doesn't translate to AFL well at all. I think port are living on the romance of it than the actual look. However port shouldn't wear it.

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[Geoffa32]

If Port are allowed to wear the Black and White jumper (the best jumper in the land I will say) our boys should use that as motivation to beat them every time.

Port are setting these games up as quite important to their club.

Knock em down.


BTW, the real Port ethos was to hold no club above any other. Does not matter which club you play next Saturday. Every game is important and all clubs/games treated equally in the desire to win. In doing so ultimate success will come.

Redlegs, South, Gelenelg, Centrals who cares.

This proposal is a contrast to that ethos. Beating us is of more importance to the Tealsters.

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[1970crow]

Port shouldn't wear it at all. However Eddie gave them special permission. How long do we think Port will just keep it at playing in showdowns before they ask for all home games bar Collingwood?

Also thinking about it, the prison bar jumper only looked its best in a lace up. It actually is a quite ugly jumper when in modern day fabric regulations. It doesn't translate to AFL well at all. I think port are living on the romance of it than the actual look. However port shouldn't wear it.

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It’s not up to Eddie, it’s up the AFL. If it was up to Eddie he wouldn’t need to lose his shit every time Port request it from the AFL.

 

[DJ75]

I think what a lot of people are missing in the guernsey debate for Port, is that they can eat sh!t.

Port sold their soul when they tried to undercut the SANFL. In doing this they gave up any and all bargaining positions the SANFL had. This included giving up their heritage, their rights to the 'magpie' and black and white colours.

It is also true that the AFL own the copyright for all club names, colours, logos and designs (this was done to avoid a break away 'Super' league). So in fact, Eddie has ZERO say in who can do what with the colours etc... It is purely up to the AFL. The fact that Port have to beg Eddie for permission to use their own heritage is a reflection of how compromised the AFL is and also how much Port sold out.

Maybe when they have a whinge and cry, Port should reflect that this is purely an outcome based on their own behaviour.

 

[Geoffa32]

I think what a lot of people are missing in the guernsey debate for Port, is that they can eat sh!t.

Port sold their soul when they tried to undercut the SANFL. In doing this they gave up any and all bargaining positions the SANFL had. This included giving up their heritage, their rights to the 'magpie' and black and white colours.

It is also true that the AFL own the copyright for all club names, colours, logos and designs (this was done to avoid a break away 'Super' league). So in fact, Eddie has ZERO say in who can do what with the colours etc... It is purely up to the AFL. The fact that Port have to beg Eddie for permission to use their own heritage is a reflection of how compromised the AFL is and also how much Port sold out.

Maybe when they have a whinge and cry, Port should reflect that this is purely an outcome based on their own behaviour.

Exactly. Eddie should have no say in it.

AFL controls the imagery of the clubs.

The fact Eddie McGuire has any input in this, in an effort to protect a Black and White srtipes brand, shows how Vic Centric this league is.




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[Eagleboy2011]

Exactly. Eddie should have no say in it.

AFL controls the imagery of the clubs.

The fact Eddie McGuire has any input in this, in an effort to protect a Black and White srtipes brand, shows how Vic Centric this league is.




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Eddie is the most powerful person in the AFL and he seems to control all matters discussed. MCG, Cola, Brisbane recruiting allowances, Docklands deals powerful through TV connections . He needs to be taken down a few pegs.
Look at the EPL and the colours each club has, they would laugh at us.

 

[rocket18]

If Port are allowed to wear the Black and White jumper (the best jumper in the land I will say) our boys should use that as motivation to beat them every time.

Port are setting these games up as quite important to their club.

Knock em down.

BTW, the real Port ethos was to hold no club above any other. Does not matter which club you play next Saturday. Every game is important and all clubs/games treated equally in the desire to win. In doing so ultimate success will come.

Redlegs, South, Gelenelg, Centrals who cares.

This proposal is a contrast to that ethos. Beating us is of more importance to the Tealsters.

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What a load of hogwash, our players would have zero care factor about a SANFL "traditional" jumper.

They could wear a pink with blue polka dots jumper and it would mean the same to our players (and most of the Powah players too)

 

[Big Crow]

Eddie is the most powerful person in the AFL and he seems to control all matters discussed. MCG, Cola, Brisbane recruiting allowances, Docklands deals powerful through TV connections . He needs to be taken down a few pegs.
Look at the EPL and the colours each club has, they would laugh at us.

Quite right. When you compare the AFL to the truly professional big fish sporting competitions around the world it becomes plain to see what a farce this league really is.

They need to decide if they want to be a national league, or a suburban comp with additional invitees treated as second best. At present it seems they want it both ways.

 

[Apsaalooke]

Colours can be trademarks and Collingwood would argue they have rights over the black and white stripes in an AFL competition just like Cadbury enforces it’s right to the colour purple.

And it would win.

After two decades, Cadbury finally cedes its purple trademark
By Imogen Watson-05 February 2019 10:55am

Cadbury eventually admits defeat on its colour purple claims




24 years since it began claiming sole rights to the colour purple (Panatone 2685C), Cadbury has lost an appeal that would have protected its 1995 trademark.

 

[GrommoT]

I think what a lot of people are missing in the guernsey debate for Port, is that they can eat sh!t.

Port sold their soul when they tried to undercut the SANFL. In doing this they gave up any and all bargaining positions the SANFL had. This included giving up their heritage, their rights to the 'magpie' and black and white colours.

It is also true that the AFL own the copyright for all club names, colours, logos and designs (this was done to avoid a break away 'Super' league). So in fact, Eddie has ZERO say in who can do what with the colours etc... It is purely up to the AFL. The fact that Port have to beg Eddie for permission to use their own heritage is a reflection of how compromised the AFL is and also how much Port sold out.

Maybe when they have a whinge and cry, Port should reflect that this is purely an outcome based on their own behaviour.

 

[DJ75]

The whole thing just exposes how far Port have fallen. The more the Kochhead carries on, the more pathetic they look.

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

After two decades, Cadbury finally cedes its purple trademark
By Imogen Watson-05 February 2019 10:55am

Cadbury eventually admits defeat on its colour purple claims




24 years since it began claiming sole rights to the colour purple (Panatone 2685C), Cadbury has lost an appeal that would have protected its 1995 trademark.

Cadbury says it will continue to protect what it believes is a distinctive trademark, using unregistered rights.

 

[cleanhands]

Cadbury says it will continue to protect what it believes is a distinctive trademark, using unregistered rights.

Maybe the AFL could adopt this, that’s what it has become,
“Cadbury AFL less value for money “

 

[Smithy7]

Norwood supporters aren't known for intelligent, or constructive, comments.

Well said LOL

 

[cleanhands]

Norwood supporters aren't known for intelligent, or constructive, comments.

Probably depends if it’s coming from a non coherent port supporter

 

[craig crowing]

Ironic all this about playing in the Port Adelaide Guernsey in the year the actual club not playing , basically in 2020 doesn't exist.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Every time you hear a port person talk they argue the reason port want to wear the guernsey is to honour their heritage. That's all well and good. However their heritage is about existing to win premierships. Port would have been better off sticking with their original AFL jumper, it has a premiership to. It's image and they could have really built that afl tradition and image around it. Instead every 10 years they seem to create an identity crises for themselves as people in senior positions still live in the past.



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[Geoffa32]

What a load of hogwash, our players would have zero care factor about a SANFL "traditional" jumper.

They could wear a pink with blue polka dots jumper and it would mean the same to our players (and most of the Powah players too)

You missed the point.

Not about SANFL tradition at all.


If Port care so much about these games, to have a separate jumper for the occasion, make sure they don't win.

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[adelaidecrows]

You missed the point.

Not about SANFL tradition at all.


If Port care so much about these games, to have a separate jumper for the occasion, make sure they don't win.

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Port made a point about making these games about grand finals and not letting the crows win. The problem is it means crap because not only are these games even but alot of the time they have lost the following week. The crows approach of treating these games like any other game actually is statistically successful. When we played them like a final in the early days we actually lost. It would be a huge mistake in my opinion for the crows to start treating it like a grandfinal. The end game is a grand final and premiership not beating port.

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[Apsaalooke]

Cadbury says it will continue to protect what it believes is a distinctive trademark, using unregistered rights.

Still a bit iffy, and that's for a particular shade of purple (Panatone 2685C) not black or white which are arguably not even colours.

 

[Apsaalooke]

Port made a point about making these games about grand finals and not letting the crows win. The problem is it means crap because not only are these games even but alot of the time they have lost the following week. The crows approach of treating these games like any other game actually is statistically successful. When we played them like a final in the early days we actually lost. It would be a huge mistake in my opinion for the crows to start treating it like a grandfinal. The end game is a grand final and premiership not beating port.

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Most years I'd agree but can't see us being anywhere near a flag this year.