2020 Non-Crows AFL Discussion

[Tex200]

The GF in 2017 should have been a hint to the club that putting all our eggs in the Crouch basket would not get us to a flag imo. We need more variety in our midfield, more height, more speed etc. etc. The Crouch boys are just too damn similar.

I don't miss Greenwood but I agree we needed to get a better pick for him.

Regarding Sloaney, giving a dude close to 30 a 5 year contract seems like a bad decision if he's on good coin. I hope they factored his age into that contract amount.

I’m not too critical of the 2018 2nd tilt. Made sense they would think going again was the go.

However once 2018 unfolded as it did, with things like the camp disaster etc. there was no reason to think 2019 would suddenly see a bump. The Gibbs trade catastrophic.

End of 2018 was the time to pull stumps on this group, especially with such a strong draft

 

[1970crow]

No... he really needs to be offered $800K+ if we're to receive Band 1 compensation. $700K is well and truly in Band 2 territory.

Frawley was around the $700k mark but I reckon that was on the line from memory. Band 2 and we should match. End of first is pick 20, nowhere near enough.

 

[Bay62]

There will have to be otherwise Collingwood Richmond Geelong and Hawthorn will eventually get caught with all their clever ‘dealings’. Can’t have that happening.

It’s very simple really

Catch a Vic club rorting the cap, penalize the Crows for draft picks.

We exist to get screwed for other clubs’ transgressions

 

[Vader]

there was no reason to think 2019 would suddenly see a bump.

Many people, myself included, blamed 2018's failings on a Burton-inspired injury list of epic proportions. I/we thought there was a strong chance of a return to 2017 level performances if the injury plague wasn't repeated. History shows that I/we were wrong, but it wasn't an unreasonable hope/expectation at the time.

 

[Vader]

Frawley was around the $700k mark but I reckon that was on the line from memory. Band 2 and we should match. End of first is pick 20, nowhere near enough.

Which makes the likelihood of $700K being sufficient even less likely. Frawley was how long ago? How much has the salary cap gone up since then? If 700K was "on the line" back then, it's nowhere near the line today.

 

[1970crow]

Many people, myself included, blamed 2018's failings on a Burton-inspired injury list of epic proportions. I/we thought there was a strong chance of a return to 2017 level performances if the injury plague wasn't repeated. History shows that I/we were wrong, but it wasn't an unreasonable hope/expectation at the time.

We didn't know the morale of the group had been destroyed.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Which makes the likelihood of $700K being sufficient even less likely. Frawley was how long ago? How much has the salary cap gone up since then? If 700K was "on the line" back then, it's nowhere near the line today.

I think Rockcliff is actually the better and more recent example to use... Port got him from brisbane as a FA for a salary of around $650-$700k..

it is beleived the only reason this did not earn Brisbane band 1 compo (and thus pick 2 that year) was due to Rockcliff’s age putting him in the next age bracket.. the $650-700k was enough but Rockliff was 1 year older than your usual FA aged player (if that makes sense).. this saw the lions just miss out...

the age issue that the lions faced with Rocky wont be an issue with the crows and Brad..

i think brad will comfortably get a $700-800k contract from a club looking for another class midfielder and especially given paying a little extra for him will see them get him for nothing in regards to draft picks..

if a club commits to brad and says we’re gonna take you.. they wont back out over an extra 50 to 100 grand... especially if it means they dont have to be forced into a trading situation that could cost them first round picks from this year and/or next year..

and people are still bring up this potential reduction in the salary cap.. totally irrelevent.. if the salary cap drops, the salary bands in the compo calc will drop accordingly..

 

[ABAB]

Which makes the likelihood of $700K being sufficient even less likely. Frawley was how long ago? How much has the salary cap gone up since then? If 700K was "on the line" back then, it's nowhere near the line today.

They didn't have this formula when Frawley was made FA (and possibly took into account how sh*t Melbourne was at that time), hence the AFL decided to create this FA formula a few years ago and made it transparent to the public. IMO, only 5% of the 25 years old in the AFL will be earning $800K+ which mean B.Crouch would get 105 points and is well over the 95 point required for band 1 compensation so 14% earning $700K+ will be plausible which will give B.Crouch 96 points.

 

[GROTTO]

My bad, 16 min quarters for the men and 15 min for the womens.

Sure no problems.

Not to mention that timing of the games is another crucial variable, mens games played in the middle of winter, compared to the womens.

 

[Scorpus]

AFL has come out and had a sook that people are complaining about the umpires

AFL statement: Coach and player comments on umpires

League writes to all clubs following several public comments made in recent weeks

www.afl.com.au

 

[SugarShane]

AFL has come out and had a sook that people are complaining about the umpires

AFL statement: Coach and player comments on umpires

League writes to all clubs following several public comments made in recent weeks

www.afl.com.au

Wasn't a problem when Clucko was doing it, all of a sudden is now that Kern and others have a turn. Fancy that.

 

[treeman]

He's in Melbourne. His family are all WA folk.

There will be VERY little work available, and he's said publicly he wants to stay part of the AFL coaching system. He said that in a presser.

If he comes to Adelaide I'll be amazed.

 

[ABAB]

I think Rockcliff is actually the better and more recent example to use... Port got him from brisbane as a FA for a salary of around $650-$700k..

it is beleived the only reason this did not earn Brisbane band 1 compo (and thus pick 2 that year) was due to Rockcliff’s age putting him in the next age bracket.. the $650-700k was enough but Rockliff was 1 year older than your usual FA aged player (if that makes sense).. this saw the lions just miss out...

the age issue that the lions faced with Rocky wont be an issue with the crows and Brad..

i think brad will comfortably get a $700-800k contract from a club looking for another class midfielder and especially given paying a little extra for him will see them get him for nothing in regards to draft picks..

if a club commits to brad and says we’re gonna take you.. they wont back out over an extra 50 to 100 grand... especially if it means they dont have to be forced into a trading situation that could cost them first round picks from this year and/or next year..

and people are still bring up this potential reduction in the salary cap.. totally irrelevent.. if the salary cap drops, the salary bands in the compo calc will drop accordingly..

Agree, he got 8 points for his age bracket so $650-700K+ is likely in the 86% so in total he got 94 points, hence they said he just missed out on band 1 compensation. Motlop was offer $100K less so $550-600K which is probably in the 75% so he got 87 points where 85-95 is end of 1st round compensation and Ellis was just under 85 points which got him 2nd round compensation as $600K is now consider 74% instead of 75% after a few years, hence as reported Richmond just missed out on the end of 1st round compensation.

 

[Geoffa32]

Surely you're not trying to put KT in the same bracket as Trigg and Fagan?

With KT as CEO you guys have not won a Final since 2014.

Got sucked into extending the coach responsible for the failure above.

It is always a big drama anytime you lose a major sponsor, he struggles to replace it.

You have a $4m Federal Govt Capital grant sitting idle on your books ($4m tax payer money doing nothing) because he can't raise the private club sourced funding to complete the project.

China....lol



Trigg and Fagan are far from great, but both are better than Keith "nice guy, but can't anything done" Thomas.

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[jackster83]

Hawkins suspended yet again.

I wonder if old mate Jenkins will make a miraculous recovery from his back injury that has kept him out of the scratch matches.

 

[Geoffa32]

Hawkins suspended yet again.

I wonder if old mate Jenkins will make a miraculous recovery from his back injury that has kept him out of the scratch matches.

Twitter related back soreness?

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[Mego Red]

$700K might get us Band 1 compo if the salary cap is significantly reduced. It's not going to get us Band 1 compo if the cap remains static (noting that going up isn't an option). Without a reduced cap, even the age factor won't counter the fact that he's just not getting paid enough to put him in that top tier.

There is up to 792 players currently on an AFL list.

Brad needs to be in the top 5% of them for us to receive band 1 compensation. He also gets bonus points because he is only 26.

Therefore if he is in the top 40 paid, we definitely receive it, with the potential of still getting it through bonus points if he is somewhere between the top 40 and 60 paid.

As I said, in the most recent article I could find it said there were 47 players currently paid more than 700 grand. Therefore if Brad crouch gets paid that, he's already in the top 6 or 7% of players in the AFL, before any bonus age points are applied.

That's the facts. If you have any data that contradicts that, please add it to the discussion. Otherwise it seems like your post is just opinion.

 

[Mego Red]

If he comes to Adelaide I'll be amazed.

Yeah, looks like he might end up at Freo.

 

[GROTTO]

Hawkins suspended yet again.

I wonder if old mate Jenkins will make a miraculous recovery from his back injury that has kept him out of the scratch matches.

Is JJ locked up in some hole in Geelong or is he with the group in WA?

 

[forlols]

There is up to 792 players currently on an AFL list.

Brad needs to be in the top 5% of them for us to receive band 1 compensation. He also gets bonus points because he is only 26.

Therefore if he is in the top 40 paid, we definitely receive it, with the potential of still getting it through bonus points if he is somewhere between the top 40 and 60 paid.

As I said, in the most recent article I could find it said there were 47 players currently paid more than 700 grand. Therefore if Brad crouch gets paid that, he's already in the top 6 or 7% of players in the AFL, before any bonus age points are applied.

That's the facts. If you have any data that contradicts that, please add it to the discussion. Otherwise it seems like your post is just opinion.

Brad gets offered 700k easily, AFL will shadow change compensation rules on the fly lol

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Is JJ locked up in some hole in Geelong or is he with the group in WA?

Caro has him locked up in her basement in a gimp mask

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Which makes the likelihood of $700K being sufficient even less likely. Frawley was how long ago? How much has the salary cap gone up since then? If 700K was "on the line" back then, it's nowhere near the line today.

Correct, I've had a long look into it and my guess is that $800k per year probably guarantees Band 1, but $750k not sure

 

[CrowsB4hoes]

Correct, I've had a long look into it and my guess is that $800k per year probably guarantees Band 1, but $750k not sure

We tell every club that we are matching any bid under $800k.
Your North and for $50k, you’d pay extra to get it done

 

[WeedsMullet84]

There is up to 792 players currently on an AFL list.

Brad needs to be in the top 5% of them for us to receive band 1 compensation. He also gets bonus points because he is only 26.

Therefore if he is in the top 40 paid, we definitely receive it, with the potential of still getting it through bonus points if he is somewhere between the top 40 and 60 paid.

As I said, in the most recent article I could find it said there were 47 players currently paid more than 700 grand. Therefore if Brad crouch gets paid that, he's already in the top 6 or 7% of players in the AFL, before any bonus age points are applied.

That's the facts. If you have any data that contradicts that, please add it to the discussion. Otherwise it seems like your post is just opinion.

Incorrect, he doesn't need to be in the top 5% of ALL players on an AFL list, just players aged between 25-30. Obviously that narrows down the field a lot, and will affect where he falls in the order for the top 5%

Also, I've seen someone writing on this thread that he gets attributed 8 points for his age, but it's in fact 10 points, as he will still be 26 by the time a trade is completed

 

[Dudersaurus]

Incorrect, he doesn't need to be in the top 5% of ALL players on an AFL list, just players aged between 25-30. Obviously that narrows down the field a lot, and will affect where he falls in the order for the top 5%

Also, I've seen someone writing on this thread that he gets attributed 8 points for his age, but it's in fact 10 points, as he will still be 26 by the time a trade is completed

0% certain, but my feeling is that the top 5% of 26-30 year-olds would get paid more than those outside that bracket.

Outside you have a lot of rookies and draftee contracts and those on minimum wage waiting to retire.

The overall top 5% is probably lower than in that age bracket.