List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread - Part I

[Ricochet]

If we brought in Taranto and moved Hunter to the midfield full time next year, we would finally have a strong, competitive midfield. But that leaves a spot open at half back.

Would you consider moving Billings to defence as that creative, half back? Uses the ball well, has a good game sense and a good mark for his size. Unsure about how is actual defence skills are but he could work on that. It goes against the thought of playing him at half-forward more where he has been very damaging and can impact the score board, but just thought I would throw it out there.

If there is a spot on half back couldn't we play either robbo or Webster I still think these two are afl standard.

 

[RWB4life]

Grab Higgins and brown for a roughly a second rounder. Keep Clark down back for another season with Higgins and hannebury in and have him and someone like bytel or Byrnes transfer in to go along side Steele, Taranto Jones and fresh.

Free up king to be second fiddle and protect him.

Carlisle out for picks, battle down back Marshall king brown membrey as tall forwards, all mobile except brown, that's a very good forward setup.

It's a big ask but bringing in Higgins and brown sets us up for now and they, along side hannebury retire by the time Clark, coffield and king need big paydays.

 

[scotteydog]

I know they are looking at Taranto, because of the connection with Allen & also being a local boy. But having last year signed a new contract, usually means he's too tough to prize away, will cost us a lot & Steele didn't. Maybe they could find out where Jacob Hopper's contract is at. He would fit us nicely too. And still think we could match GWS offer to Caldwell, with more money. Even with Corr & William's leaving ,their salary cap, could still be tight, surely.

 

[BrutThough]

If there is a spot on half back couldn't we play either robbo or Webster I still think these two are afl standard.

I'm not sure Robbo works in a backline that has Wilkie and Coffield. Size wise they are all very similar.

It could easily be Webster who fills that spot. But his body has been unreliable the past 2 years so it's harder to see him locked into the side.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Why don't you throw that question out to the main board. Taranto for Gresham and a first - see how many non-Saints supporters would think we look like idiots.

Or you could go back and look at your original post and see what people think of the idea , im more than happy for you to post it on the main board , i only post in the saints forum

 

[BrutThough]

I have thought that over the years. He would be playing a distributor role more than a hard defensive minder. He's played there in games before and looked good. His kicking and vision are very precise.

With Paton and Long taking the smalls. And Coffield and Wilkie taking mid sized forwards, we could afford to have him just roaming in the backline unaccountable.

But I also think he is very damaging up forward and could kick 25 goals if we had a good midfield getting it to him.

It's good to have options for a change.

 

[BrutThough]

I know they are looking at Taranto, because of the connection with Allen & also being a local boy. But having last year signed a new contract, usually means he's too tough to prize away, will cost us a lot & Steele didn't. Maybe they could find out where Jacob Hopper's contract is at. He would fit us nicely too.

Hopper out of contract next year.

 

[Gosaints12]

P Davis is also is also starting to break down. So carlise would be cheap get for them. Taranto is also a Lenny lover and wants to follow him to the saints.
Gws receive
Carlise, this year's first, next year second

Saints receive
Taranto, gws 4th round

Money, it’s still a problem. With Corr, (300k), Taranto, (700k) and Williams, (500k) leaving it stretches the wall. Let’s look at who they have to sign. St Kilda offer to Caldwell was between 500-600 thousand per year. GWS would have given him 500 thousand per year for five. That leaves the three dollars they had from last year and the mil they have for those who are leaving. GWS then gave Mumford another year at 100. Leaving 900k in the cap. Cumming also resigned for 200k for 2 yrs. 700k in cap. Shaw delisting offered the Giants 300k. 1 mil in cap. Sheridan also retired adding 100k back into the mix. (1.1 mil in cap)

Remaining OOC Giants
Lloyd - Delist 100k (1.2M in cap)
Buckley - Delist, no gain, (1.2M in cap)
Hatley - Trade to Adelaide, gain no salary 1.2M in cap
OHalleron - Trade to Brissie???, gain no salary, 1.2M in cap
Stein - Delist - No gain, (1.2M in cap)
Briggs - resign at 100k for 1 yr, (1.1M in cap)
Reid - delist, 100k, (1.2M in cap)
Langdon - resign 100k, (1.1M in cap)
Sporule - delist, no gain, (1.1M in cap)
Cameron - signs contract at 1.1M for 5 yrs. No salary cap.

Maybe mixed some number up but basic jest is there. No room for Cars.


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[Gosaints12]

They’ll ask for Marshall. He’s exactly what they need

They can have Taranto then. Unless we want Hickey back.


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[borderbarry]

Some of the people on here are willing to give up Gresham and a pick for Taranto. I have never seen him play a very good game yet. Gresham has played quite a few.
Taranto is being over valued while Gresh is being under valued.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Grab Higgins and brown for a roughly a second rounder. Keep Clark down back for another season with Higgins and hannebury in and have him and someone like bytel or Byrnes transfer in to go along side Steele, Taranto Jones and fresh.

Free up king to be second fiddle and protect him.

Carlisle out for picks, battle down back Marshall king brown membrey as tall forwards, all mobile except brown, that's a very good forward setup.

It's a big ask but bringing in Higgins and brown sets us up for now and they, along side hannebury retire by the time Clark, coffield and king need big paydays.

They will be wanting more than that from Brown. The idea of trading him out isn't to get rid of him, its to get young talent back into the team in his place.

 

[2ballz]

Some of the people on here are willing to give up Gresham and a pick for Taranto. I have never seen him play a very good game yet. Gresham has played quite a few.
Taranto is being over valued while Gresh is being under valued.

Taranto won GWS best and fairest last year when they made the Grand Final

 

[scotteydog]

All true. Hawthorn and Geelong players stuck together and were willing to play for less $$$ to keep them in contention. They also have the luxury of being able to lure A grade players by selling that dream. Although it’s over now for hawthorn.
We also had shocking list management where our salary cap was f**ked.
Being a minnow club we have to pay overs to attract big names.
With our rise up the ladder this year and our natural progression we should be knocking on the door of top 4 next year. Especially if we can add Taranto. Our age profile suggests we should stay there for a while too. Then we sell it the players that you can have 80% of your market value but play for a top club. Or you can go get 120% of market value but play for a bottom 4. At the end of the day players will put a higher price on a premiership medal than a pay cheque.

To add Taranto tho we are likely to sacrifice a best 22 player. It won’t be popular.

My list of untouchables is:
Steele, Marshall, King, Coffield, Gresham, Wilkie and Clark.
Hill, Butler, Jones and Howard aren’t going anywhere.
Battle, Membrey and Billings the ones with the most currency on our list. Personally don’t want to lose any of them but we have to expect that we will.
Carlisle might net us something decent but wouldn’t count on it. Long or Paton would beef up negotiations.

Pretty sure Hanners deal was heavily front loaded too

We’ll keep a lot of role players on the list on minimum contracts to keep the salary cap issue at bay. Guys like Parker, Hind, McKenzie, Abbott, Austin etc

If we are talking about role player's then keep Austin, Bell, Connolly, Hind, Langlands yeah. I think we offer up for trade McKenzie & Phillips, if anyone would have them or delist.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Why don't you throw that question out to the main board. Taranto for Gresham and a first - see how many non-Saints supporters would think we look like idiots.

I would give this years first and next years first with maybe something coming back but no way would i give a proven player and a first away for him , giving away Two firsts is not so bad as you could still draft a dud as apposed to a proven performer who is still only young

 

[Ricmel]

Or you could go back and look at your original post and see what people think of the idea , im more than happy for you to post it on the main board , i only post in the saints forum

I get a bunch of Saints fans don't like the idea. But as a pure footy question, no biases, I think it stands on its' own. Out would go something around pick 15 plus a guy with very ordinary disposal, in 18/19 averaging 20 disposals and 3.3 clearances a game and in would come a 22 year old guy in 18/19 averaging 25.3 disposals and close to 4.6 clearances a game with elite disposal. No brainer.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Some of the people on here are willing to give up Gresham and a pick for Taranto. I have never seen him play a very good game yet. Gresham has played quite a few.
Taranto is being over valued while Gresh is being under valued.

I wouldnt be saying some Barry , maybe one

 

[Ricmel]

I would give this years first and next years first with maybe something coming back but no way would i give a proven player and a first away for him , giving away Two firsts is not so bad as you could still draft a dud as apposed to a proven performer who is still only young

Yeah I would do 2 two firsts for him too. If you take his 18/19 form as normal and the fact that he was 20/21 when he turned out those years, you've got a really special talent.

 

[scotteydog]

Grab Higgins and brown for a roughly a second rounder. Keep Clark down back for another season with Higgins and hannebury in and have him and someone like bytel or Byrnes transfer in to go along side Steele, Taranto Jones and fresh.

Free up king to be second fiddle and protect him.

Carlisle out for picks, battle down back Marshall king brown membrey as tall forwards, all mobile except brown, that's a very good forward setup.

It's a big ask but bringing in Higgins and brown sets us up for now and they, along side hannebury retire by the time Clark, coffield and king need big paydays.

Getting B.Ronke from Sydney instead of Higgins would be a lower cost. I know we have only seen glimpses of talent from Ronke, but geezuz, any small forward who can kick 7 goals in a match, deserves thought.

 

[MOLTEN GANGLANDS]

billings and next years first for taranto ys pls

(would end up being billings and pick 18 of course)

 

[Ricmel]

. I have never seen him play a very good game yet. Gresham has played quite a few.
Taranto is being over valued while Gresh is being under valued.

Tarantos average game in 2019 as a 21 year old was 27 disposals, 5.2 clearances. Gresham could only dream about those numbers. Yeah, stats are not everything but you throw in the guy has elite disposal and they have to mean something.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Some of the people on here are willing to give up Gresham and a pick for Taranto. I have never seen him play a very good game yet. Gresham has played quite a few.
Taranto is being over valued while Gresh is being under valued.

Here you go Bazz , you need to take another look

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[TD valign="top"]30 disps (21 kicks 9 hballs), 9 marks, 10 tackles and a goal in Rd 13 23-pt win over North Melbourne at Blundstone Arena (16 Jun 2019)[/TD]

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[TD valign="top"]36 disps (18 kicks 18 hballs), 5 marks, 7 tackles and a goal in Rd 12 21-pt loss to Adelaide at Adelaide Oval (8 Jun 2019)[/TD]

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[TD valign="top"]38 disps (26 kicks 12 hballs), 12 marks, 4 tackles and a goal in Rd 9 93-pt win over Carlton at GIANTS Stadium (19 May 2019)[/TD]

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[TD valign="top"]30 disps (21 kicks 9 hballs), 4 marks, 10 tackles and a goal in Rd 6 41-pt win over Sydney at the SCG (27 Apr 2019)[/TD]

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[TD valign="top"]30 disps (21 kicks 9 hballs), 3 marks, 10 tackles and 2 goals in Rd 1 72-pt win over Essendon at GIANTS Stadium (24 Mar 2019)[/TD]

 

[scotteydog]

Some of the people on here are willing to give up Gresham and a pick for Taranto. I have never seen him play a very good game yet. Gresham has played quite a few.
Taranto is being over valued while Gresh is being under valued.

I have no problems with Billing's being offered up, no way 'The Gresh'

 

[Dr Spaceman]

No brainer.

What is certain is that it’s a ‘No Brainer’.

What is less certain is what definition of ‘No Brainer’ applies in this instance.

 

[RWB4life]

Getting B.Ronke from Sydney instead of Higgins would be a lower cost. I know we have only seen glimpses of talent from Ronke, but geezuz, any small forward who can kick 7 goals in a match, deserves thought.

Aren't they different players?

Isn't ronke a tall, small forward while Higgins is midfielder?

I doubt we'd bring Higgins in to play mostly forward.

 

[CaptainRisky]

Getting B.Ronke from Sydney instead of Higgins would be a lower cost. I know we have only seen glimpses of talent from Ronke, but geezuz, any small forward who can kick 7 goals in a match, deserves thought.

The 7 goals was two years ago and he only managed 3 games this year in a crap team ,