List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread - Part I

[mightymalaka]

Role players work when mixed in with stars. We cannot have any real role players in our side but they are vital to become a very good side. We need to find stars and quickly. We just have to hope gresh billings, who may not have any improvement in him, king, Marshall and Clark can become or get close to being stars. Unfortunately we know hills limit so it won’t be him unless we get a couple of inside stars in the midfield

Agree wholeheartedly about role players and their worth and the good news is we have a sh!tload of them!
It's all about finding 3 to 4 Stars to make it all click then watch those role players click also.
Still hoping those diamonds are within our ranks, they just need a little more time and games. Suppose the silver lining with the likely ones is they are still young!

 

[Impatient Saint]

As I said above, the players I listed would be ranked between 5-15 on most other clubs list or would be some of their highest rated young talent on their list. They are good players that every club would like to have. But the issue is on our list they are the players ranked 1-5, without that top elite player making them look better. You are also severely overrating the players who make up the bottom part of top 4 teams best 22.

You are also delusional if you think Gresham would only be the 20th best player on Richmonds list.

He was "average" in the All Star game, as the youngest player out there, part of which would be that he was stuck in the forward pocket for the majority of the game which is a position he rarely players anymore. Also worth nothing, playing like Tom Lynch and Tom Hawkins also looked bog average in that game as well despite being great players because of how the game was played. That fact he was even picked shows he is far from someone who would only be 20th best on a list and is seen as a very very good player by some of the highest rated coaches in the AFL

Im another who are not completely sold on Gresham as a star. He needs to take the next step of becoming damaging through the midfield before he reaches that status. His forward craft is good but he tries to check side far too many shots for my liking, consequently wastes a few opportunities.

 

[plugger66]

Im another who are not completely sold on Gresham as a star. He needs to take the next step of becoming damaging through the midfield before he reaches that status. His forward craft is good but he tries to check side far too many shots for my liking, consequently wastes a few opportunities.

Milne was a star. Not saying he will get to that status but if he cant play as very good mid id rather him be a very good forward and we know he is nearly there already.

 

[gringo2011]

I feat we may be jumping the gun a bit with our valuations on plenty of our players whom I still have high hopes for to develop into either very good to elite players...Gresham,Billings,Battle,Roma and Hunter all have shown enough to persist with into becoming A grade!
They still have to do it of course. But I'd be waiting till the end of this season to see what our stocks are when it comes to very good to elite talent and then look to add to that!

I agree with that. Gresham still has time but at this stage he's kind of stalled a bit. Marshall is the one that looks on track to be a superstar and hopefully Hunter Clark can keep rolling along and become elite. King, Wilkie, Howard still have top potential too. We are still at a wait and see phase, I'm just getting impatient and hating on them all as a usual.

What do you think of Seb getting traded MM, this one is right up your alley.

 

[BrutThough]

Im another who are not completely sold on Gresham as a star. He needs to take the next step of becoming damaging through the midfield before he reaches that status. His forward craft is good but he tries to check side far too many shots for my liking, consequently wastes a few opportunities.

Agree he still has things to work on before he takes that next step as a player, but he is still only 22. By all reports, his work rate and professionalism really improved over the off season so it sounds like it is starting to click for him on what it takes to be elite.

 

[gringo2011]

Agree he still has things to work on before he takes that next step as a player, but he is still only 22. By all reports, his work rate and professionalism really improved over the off season so it sounds like it is starting to click for him on what it takes to be elite.

That's good, I think it was Mikka that said he was a bit of a lazy campaigner and the club had some concerns around him meeting his potential.

 

[ScrappyDo]

That's good, I think it was Mikka that said he was a bit of a lazy campaigner and the club had some concerns around him meeting his potential.

I thought it was only some commentary that he liked his beers.
He looked in ripping shape this preseason, and to be fair he hasn't been in an elite environment for his career to date.
We'll see where these guys are at this year.
They've all had enough time under Ratts now to open up their progression if indeed they have the ability and desire.
Some will rise, others will fall, but it's got to be better than the last 6 years..
I feel like we'll know who our team is at the end of this season.

 

[mightymalaka]

I agree with that. Gresham still has time but at this stage he's kind of stalled a bit. Marshall is the one that looks on track to be a superstar and hopefully Hunter Clark can keep rolling along and become elite. King, Wilkie, Howard still have top potential too. We are still at a wait and see phase, I'm just getting impatient and hating on them all as a usual.

What do you think of Seb getting traded MM, this one is right up your alley.

Thought I'd surprise you Gringo and leave Seb alone!
As a matter of fact I'm calling for him to be Captain Coach!
With his crab like sideways periphery vision he can take us all the way to the top!

 

[borderbarry]

It frustrates me to see how our fans over rate Brad Hill, while at the same time can Gresham, Billings, and Ross.

 

[ScrappyDo]

It frustrates me to see how our fans over rate Brad Hill, while at the same time can Gresham, Billings, and Ross.

Hill has runs on the board, and watching him play you can see the level of confidence he has. He runs through tackles and gives the don't argue on every occasion. He's definitely a level above our other crew.

Footy life hasn't been fair to our young blokes and I'm the first to acknowledge it.
They've landed in an environment with no high level players and a potato for a coach that stifled their natural flair along with a good guy policy that filled the squad full of introverts.

Some crusty old supporters have been on the players to own the blame which I've objected to often, but the club has turned the page now and put the right support in place.
Hill's class is great, and we went and got Jones to inject some animal into the group. Qualities that guys like Seb, JB, Newnes, Goat, etc should have provided but has been left to the likes of Long, Battle and Clark.

The mistakes of the past have been recognized and rectified, now it really is on the players to step up.
Some simply may not be able to do it, but the club needs to be ruthless about it and move them on instead of eternally waiting for them to find some mojo.

I rip on Seb plenty because l think it's too late for him and l want us to move past him, but JB is running out of credits fast. He was shaping as a gun HF till he lost his bottle and Richo stuck him on the wing to escape the pressure. Now he's following Seb with 27 unamazing soft possessions and SFA goals.
It's just not bloody good enough Baz.
How are we going to play finals when we're relying on these wilting flowers?
We've got to stop rating our guys on talent or potential.
It's guys like Marshall, Wilkie, Battle, Long and Clark that are showing some real ticker. Mostly rookies and late picks!
Where the #$@! are the senior players when the heat is on??

We've been over rating these guys for too long because we've nothing else to hang our hopes on. It's time for them to step up, or step out. .

 

[CaptainRisky]

Milne was a star. Not saying he will get to that status but if he cant play as very good mid id rather him be a very good forward and we know he is nearly there already.

I think id prefer both Gresh and Billings more as forwards than mids and find some real mids - wingers , A few years back they both had ripping years as forwards apart from the kicking but they had a crapload of shots at the sticks

Ps , the reason i say this as all the other small forwards we have tried dont inspire any confidence in me what so ever ,

 

[ScrappyDo]

I think id prefer both Gresh and Billings more as forwards than mids and find some real mids - wingers , A few years back they both had ripping years as forwards apart from the kicking but they had a crapload of shots at the sticks

Ps , the reason i say this as all the other small forwards we have tried dont inspire any confidence in me what so ever ,

Hit the nail on the head there risky.
That was the last time Stkilda looked dangerous in the forward half. Since then we just expect that we'll stuff it up and the ball will be returned with interest.
Even the oppo would be setting up for it. Oh how far we've slipped. .

 

[CaptainRisky]

Hit the nail on the head there risky.
That was the last time Stkilda looked dangerous in the forward half. Since then we just expect that we'll stuff it up and the ball will be returned with interest.
Even the oppo would be setting up for it. Oh how far we've slipped. .

Lonie , Kent, Butler , Sinclair although not often and same with Hind are not the answer , Long has showed more in One Half injured game that he is is going to be a better backman and god knows we need more class in our backline and Parker is unproven at this stage IMO
So id be having Gresh , Billings and Parker as the smaller forwards , the others just back up .
We need to find another winger and some more genuine mids , lets hop Bytel and Byrnes can show something when we get up and running

 

[ScrappyDo]

Lonie , Kent, Butler , Sinclair although not often and same with Hind are not the answer , Long has showed more in One Half injured game that he is is going to be a better backman and god knows we need more class in our backline and Parker is unproven at this stage IMO
So id be having Gresh , Billings and Parker as the smaller forwards , the others just back up .
We need to find another winger and some more genuine mids , lets hop Bytel and Byrnes can show something when we get up and running

It's funny that hasn't worked, because Long was a HB, Lonie was and is a mid, Hind is a HB, Kent was a depth player at Melbourne and Sincs l dunno, but it wasn't a small forward.

Whilst others may differ I've come to the belief that unless we send Dunny and our 1st to Port for Ollie Wines then we should break with tradition and draft an elite small forward that can come straight into the team.

Taking more 18yo mids right now will just create a log jam and we'd be far better to throw the kitchen sink at Williams and grab a Caldwell / Hatley for a good price.
We don't want to be developing for another 3 years, there's got to be some urgency about it..

Small forward is really the only position a draftee can come straight in, and for the life of me l can't remember the last one we actually drafted..

 

[plugger66]

It's funny that hasn't worked, because Long was a HB, Lonie was and is a mid, Hind is a HB, Kent was a depth player at Melbourne and Sincs l dunno, but it wasn't a small forward.

Whilst others may differ I've come to the belief that unless we send Dunny and our 1st to Port for Ollie Wines then we should break with tradition and draft an elite small forward that can come straight into the team.

Taking more 18yo mids right now will just create a log jam and we'd be far better to throw the kitchen sink at Williams and grab a Caldwell / Hatley for a good price.
We don't want to be developing for another 3 years, there's got to be some urgency about it..

Small forward is really the only position a draftee can come straight in, and for the life of me l can't remember the last one we actually drafted..

Billings. Lonie was in his first year at under 18’s

 

[Gosaints12]

Hill has runs on the board, and watching him play you can see the level of confidence he has. He runs through tackles and gives the don't argue on every occasion. He's definitely a level above our other crew.

Footy life hasn't been fair to our young blokes and I'm the first to acknowledge it.
They've landed in an environment with no high level players and a potato for a coach that stifled their natural flair along with a good guy policy that filled the squad full of introverts.

Some crusty old supporters have been on the players to own the blame which I've objected to often, but the club has turned the page now and put the right support in place.
Hill's class is great, and we went and got Jones to inject some animal into the group. Qualities that guys like Seb, JB, Newnes, Goat, etc should have provided but has been left to the likes of Long, Battle and Clark.

The mistakes of the past have been recognized and rectified, now it really is on the players to step up.
Some simply may not be able to do it, but the club needs to be ruthless about it and move them on instead of eternally waiting for them to find some mojo.

I rip on Seb plenty because l think it's too late for him and l want us to move past him, but JB is running out of credits fast. He was shaping as a gun HF till he lost his bottle and Richo stuck him on the wing to escape the pressure. Now he's following Seb with 27 unamazing soft possessions and SFA goals.
It's just not bloody good enough Baz.
How are we going to play finals when we're relying on these wilting flowers?
We've got to stop rating our guys on talent or potential.
It's guys like Marshall, Wilkie, Battle, Long and Clark that are showing some real ticker. Mostly rookies and late picks!
Where the #$@! are the senior players when the heat is on??

We've been over rating these guys for too long because we've nothing else to hang our hopes on. It's time for them to step up, or step out. .

It’s why we lost R1. North came and were led by Cunnington, no one decided to get the ball out of there for the Saints and we allowed them to beat us in a game that was unloseable. That falls on the leadership group.

 

[Gosaints12]

It's funny that hasn't worked, because Long was a HB, Lonie was and is a mid, Hind is a HB, Kent was a depth player at Melbourne and Sincs l dunno, but it wasn't a small forward.

Whilst others may differ I've come to the belief that unless we send Dunny and our 1st to Port for Ollie Wines then we should break with tradition and draft an elite small forward that can come straight into the team.

Taking more 18yo mids right now will just create a log jam and we'd be far better to throw the kitchen sink at Williams and grab a Caldwell / Hatley for a good price.
We don't want to be developing for another 3 years, there's got to be some urgency about it..

Small forward is really the only position a draftee can come straight in, and for the life of me l can't remember the last one we actually drafted..

Gresh or Loans.

 

[Saintbloke]

It’s why we lost R1. North came and were led by Cunnington, no one decided to get the ball out of there for the Saints and we allowed them to beat us in a game that was unloseable. That falls on the leadership group.

It still bugs me to think of how we rolled over in that game- a lack of leadership by a few players who should have done better when the pressure was on.

 

[plugger66]

It’s why we lost R1. North came and were led by Cunnington, no one decided to get the ball out of there for the Saints and we allowed them to beat us in a game that was unloseable. That falls on the leadership group.

So that’s the leadership group but not rats where as last year it would have been Richo. The leadership group don’t choose to tag or at least have a run with that’s the coach There was nothing inspiring about round one including the players and the coaches.

 

[gringo2011]

It still bugs me to think of how we rolled over in that game- a lack of leadership by a few players who should have done better when the pressure was on.

Hill was a shit in that game, Hanners coasted too. Two guys that are on massive coin and played like the same bed wetters that we already have a pile of.

 

[CaptainRisky]

So that’s the leadership group but not rats where as last year it would have been Richo. The leadership group don’t choose to tag or at least have a run with that’s the coach There was nothing inspiring about round one including the players and the coaches.

True , we can blame the players for lack of leadership but the coach has to cop some heat as well , in the end it just showed we havnt really improved on last year yet , lets hope that was a one of sh1t performance and we dont roll over like that again

 

[plugger66]

Hill was a shit in that game, Hanners coasted too. Two guys that are on massive coin and played like the same bed wetters that we already have a pile of.

Hill is an issue in my opinion. He seems so outside so will rely on a very good midfield or at least a winning one on the day. Not sure that suits our midfield. At best we usually just win but most times we are losing or working very hard to break level. Also not sure the midfield has the class to feed it out

 

[CaptainRisky]

Hill was a shit in that game, Hanners coasted too. Two guys that are on massive coin and played like the same bed wetters that we already have a pile of.

I think anyone thinking Hanners is going to get back to anywhere near his best is dreaming , he will be just another player for us IMO, I hope im wrong though

 

[ScrappyDo]

Gresh or Loans.

Gresh, no.

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[gringo2011]

I think anyone thinking Hanners is going to get back to anywhere near his best is dreaming , he will be just another player for us IMO, I hope im wrong though

i think he’s still got skills but his resilience might stop him getting back. His couple of games last year were top shelf. When Ratts said some won’t play round two if they have a history of soft tissue injury, I automatically assume it’s Hanners. He looks like he’ll be our version of Daniel Wells, good for a handful of games every year but just a bit part player.