List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread - Part I

[gringo2011]

I hope jones turns into a midfielder as much as anyone but he is miles away from being anything close to a stuv replacement.

He's barely a dunstan replacement currently... which goes without saying is about as far away from a 4 time bnf winning champion as you can get.

He’s got some pace to break away. He’s been mostly a half back so far. He’s had decent numbers when he does play mid and Stuv could be a bit messy by foot too. I thought he was our best mid against north probably.

 

[pebblesofsand]

He’s got some pace to break away. He’s been mostly a half back so far. He’s had decent numbers when he does play mid and Stuv could be a bit messy by foot too. I thought he was our best mid against north probably.

"Stuv could be a bit messy by foot"

Has ha - I'd never picked you as the master of understatement.

At 25, Jones has most of his games at HBF, Steven was a pure midfielder.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...2=10&type=A&pid1=3932&pid2=2342&fid1=O&fid2=O

On the North game he will be our most dynamic mid - a line breaking pace in the midfield is something we desperately need. Great trade - upgrade on Steven.

Basically its cost us mid 40's Pick for a mid who will play every game this year and who will replace a player who may not have played again at all.

 

[plugger66]

"Stuv could be a bit messy by foot"

Has ha - I'd never picked you as the master of understatement.

At 25, Jones has most of his games at HBF, Steven was a pure midfielder.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...2=10&type=A&pid1=3932&pid2=2342&fid1=O&fid2=O

On the North game he will be our most dynamic mid - a line breaking pace in the midfield is something we desperately need. Great trade - upgrade on Steven.

Basically its cost us mid 40's Pick for a mid who will play every game this year and who will replace a player who may not have played again at all.

Upgrade on Steven? Is that based on the future or a joke Jones has plenty of kicking issues. I’m sure I read here that we needed to fix that. He fixes pace but not kicking. He is a goo dish player. I thought he cost more than a 40’s pick.

 

[Gosaints12]

Upgrade on Steven? Is that based on the future or a joke Jones has plenty of kicking issues. I’m sure I read here that we needed to fix that. He fixes pace but not kicking. He is a goo dish player. I thought he cost more than a 40’s pick.

32.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

"Stuv could be a bit messy by foot"

Has ha - I'd never picked you as the master of understatement.

At 25, Jones has most of his games at HBF, Steven was a pure midfielder.

https://www.footywire.com/afl/footy...2=10&type=A&pid1=3932&pid2=2342&fid1=O&fid2=O

On the North game he will be our most dynamic mid - a line breaking pace in the midfield is something we desperately need. Great trade - upgrade on Steven.

Basically its cost us mid 40's Pick for a mid who will play every game this year and who will replace a player who may not have played again at all.

When we drafted Dunstan we were all totally wrapped, he got 15 contested possessions in his 3rd game. Furthermore, at that point we had not had any successful drafts since Newnes a couple of years previously, and Steven and McEvoy in 2007 , six years earlier. We were ecstatic to have him play nearly every game, and he complimented a midfield with in-form Steven and Armitage, as well as Hayes and Montagna.

In 2019 , Dunstan achieved that 15 ( or more ) on 4 occasions, a big improvement over his previous seasons where he was still getting there around once.
But underwhelming compared to the hopes we'd had for him in the early days.

Jones. Seems a bit like he can get the ball like Nathan, but kicks it more like his non-relative Clinton. Hope he can sort that. I don't think he will win the contested ball out of the middle like Dunstan can. ( Dunstan had pretty good output in 2019 ).

In 2019. Averages per game.
Clearances: Dunstan 6.2, Hannebery 5.2, Gresham 4.6, Ross 4.2, Steele 4.2, Sinclair 2.5, Jones* 2.7, Clark* 1.6 // Comparison M Crouch 4.8. P Cripps 8.5.
Contested Poss: Dunstan 11.5, Gresham 10, Hannebery 10, Steele 9.6, Sinclair 9.3, Ross 8.4, Jones* 7 Clark* 6.6 // Comparison:Crouch 11.3. Cripps 17
Possessions: Ross 26, Hannebery 25, Gresham 22.6, Dunstan 22.3, Jones* 22.3 Steele 21.9 , Clark* 20.5 , Sinclair 16.8 // Comparison Crouch 33. Cripps 28

Dunstan is top 10 in the AFL for clearances, he's daylight ahead of our other players at it. He is flawed but won't be replaced by Jones unless Jones surprises. Was crap against North, but we need to judge them on a series of games.
Hannebery means that Gresham can play more forward, which makes us a lot more dangerous. If he can stay fit.
Gresham is a capable mid, but is a 40-50 goal forward if he has a good supply.
Ross : Our best accumulator but miles short of the AFL's best.
Steele: Tagger who gets the ball. Can he play a non tagging roll and get a lot of the ball?
Sinclair: Capable all rounder, much better than a Robert Eddy type, but others may usurp him.
Jones : Based on the North game, Jones is an upgrade on Sinclair ( but not on Steven ). Out performed a poor Dunstan in the North game.
Clark: Developing but still needs more to be a main midfielder.

Someone like Cripps in the midfield would be like having an extra player on the ground in our midfield.

I see Bytel as the player most likely to be able to eventually replace Dunstan in our midfield.
I hope that Clark can eventually replace Ross.
Byrnes is a very exciting prospect and i'd hope he is ready to go as Hannebery retires.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Upgrade on Steven? Is that based on the future or a joke Jones has plenty of kicking issues. I’m sure I read here that we needed to fix that. He fixes pace but not kicking. He is a goo dish player. I thought he cost more than a 40’s pick.

Like I said - Jones will play every game this year, how many would Steven have played? Got 53 for Steven who we wouldn't have got a game out of if we kept him, paid 32 for Jones - net cost 40's.

 

[plugger66]

Like I said - Jones will play every game this year, how many would Steven have played? Got 53 for Steven who we wouldn't have got a game out of if we kept him, paid 32 for Jones - net cost mid 40's.

Net cost is for father sons etc. anyway matters little. Being an upgrade on Steven is like saying pick 100 is an upgrade on Robert Harvey when he retired because Harvey won’t play games. The idea of recruiting isn’t getting upgrade on players that might not play, it’s about getting top 10 players so we improve. Jones has everything we want except his disposal and decision making is poor. Things we need to improve us.

 

[gringo2011]

Net cost is for father sons etc. anyway matters little. Being an upgrade on Steven is like saying pick 100 is an upgrade on Robert Harvey when he retired because Harvey won’t play games. The idea of recruiting isn’t getting upgrade on players that might not play, it’s about getting top 10 players so we improve. Jones has everything we want except his disposal and decision making is poor. Things we need to improve us.

Jones isn't there yet but he's got some similar traits and playing off half back at Sydney has pushed his numbers down. In a shorter game he had good numbers against North, If he'd kicked straight he'd have looked close to Stuv. He's still young enough to make a gun mid. The good thing is we certainly don't need him at HB.

After round one from footywire.

● Ranked 15th in Total Contested Possessions	● Ranked 9th in Total Clearances
● Ranked 2nd in Total Stoppage Clearances	● Ranked 9th in Total Score Involvements
● Ranked 12th in Total Tackles Inside 50	● Ranked 15th in Contested Possessions Per Game
● Ranked 9th in Clearances Per Game	● Ranked 2nd in Stoppage Clearances Per Game
● Ranked 9th in Score Involvements Per Game	● Ranked 12th in Tackles Inside 50 Per Game

 

[plugger66]

Jones isn't there yet but he's got some similar traits and playing off half back at Sydney has pushed his numbers down. In a shorter game he had good numbers against North, If he'd kicked straight he'd have looked close to Stuv. He's still young enough to make a gun mid. The good thing is we certainly don't need him at HB.

After round one from footywire.

● Ranked 15th in Total Contested Possessions	● Ranked 9th in Total Clearances
● Ranked 2nd in Total Stoppage Clearances	● Ranked 9th in Total Score Involvements
● Ranked 12th in Total Tackles Inside 50	● Ranked 15th in Contested Possessions Per Game
● Ranked 9th in Clearances Per Game	● Ranked 2nd in Stoppage Clearances Per Game
● Ranked 9th in Score Involvements Per Game	● Ranked 12th in Tackles Inside 50 Per Game

Come on gringo we aren’t going to compare him to jack He wasn’t even our best player in an ordinary performance.

 

[gringo2011]

Come on gringo we aren’t going to compare him to jack He wasn’t even our best player in an ordinary performance.

He's not yet, but he has potential to be a decent player still. Jack is one of our best players ever, probably top 30 in our history. Obviously if Zac is to be as good he's going to have to make a leap but he's got pace, ball gathering ability and pace off one step. It's not outrageous to suggest he could be at least a poor man's JS.

 

[plugger66]

He's not yet, but he has potential to be a decent player still. Jack is one of our best players ever, probably top 30 in our history. Obviously if Zac is to be as good he's going to have to make a leap but he's got pace, ball gathering ability and pace off one step. It's not outrageous to suggest he could be at least a poor man's JS.

He is a decent player. I think he has played long enough to see his standard.

 

[pebblesofsand]

Net cost is for father sons etc. anyway matters little. Being an upgrade on Steven is like saying pick 100 is an upgrade on Robert Harvey when he retired because Harvey won’t play games. The idea of recruiting isn’t getting upgrade on players that might not play, it’s about getting top 10 players so we improve. Jones has everything we want except his disposal and decision making is poor. Things we need to improve us.

Slight problem - Steven didn't retire. He was contracted to us.

We will get more out of Jones than we would have got out Steven. That's an upgrade. I'm with Gerard

As we all focused on Joe Daniher and Tom Papley, Sydney might have given up AFL trade period’s biggest bargain

As we all focused on Daniher and Papley, Sydney might have given up trade period’s biggest bargain

www.foxsports.com.au

Equal leading possession winner against North, genuine pace and line breaking ability. Not sure what you want for Pick 32

 

[plugger66]

Slight problem - Steven didn't retire. He was contracted to us.

We will get more out of Jones than we would have got out Steven. That's an upgrade. I'm with Gerard

As we all focused on Joe Daniher and Tom Papley, Sydney might have given up AFL trade period’s biggest bargain

As we all focused on Daniher and Papley, Sydney might have given up trade period’s biggest bargain

www.foxsports.com.au

Equal leading possession winner against North, genuine pace and line breaking ability. Not sure what you want for Pick 32

I didn’t say he was poor value. I’ve actually said previously it was a good trade. I was questioning the name Steven with him. By putting it with him it seems some may think he will just replace him. He won’t.

 

[BrutThough]

I didn’t say he was poor value. I’ve actually said previously it was a good trade. I was questioning the name Steven with him. By putting it with him it seems some may think he will just replace him. He won’t.

He isnt a direct one for one replacement, but Jones will bring similar attributes to our midfield to what Steven brought.

And when you consider what we are paying Jones this year and what we are paying Steven this year, we are getting a hell of a lot more out of Jones with that money.

 

[Diehard Saint]

What are our expectations of Jonathan Marsh?
Looks like a big guy with a bit of aggression. Where’s his best spot and can he make best 22?
I’m hoping he’s going to be a win for us considering he was good enough to be drafted and we got him for next to nothing if I call correctly.

 

[ScrappyDo]

What are our expectations of Jonathan Marsh?
Looks like a big guy with a bit of aggression. Where’s his best spot and can he make best 22?
I’m hoping he’s going to be a win for us considering he was good enough to be drafted and we got him for next to nothing if I call correctly.

One regular poster believed he'd get a run in the middle later this season, and he was briefly used up forward in one JLT game to good effect.

Apparently he was a mid all through juniors until he grew 4 inches in his late teens, which explains why he moves like a mid. He also IIRC played mid in the wafl during his time away.

He's got the tools to be an impact utility type, but personally I'd like to see him line up next to Cripps in a few weeks and grind him into the turf.. with his size, speed and strength he may just end up being that big bull mid we've been lacking..

 

[mad-saint-guy]

What are our expectations of Jonathan Marsh?
Looks like a big guy with a bit of aggression. Where’s his best spot and can he make best 22?
I’m hoping he’s going to be a win for us considering he was good enough to be drafted and we got him for next to nothing if I call correctly.

If a 6 man bench is introduced I think he'd be invaluable to have coming on as an explosive impact player. He's a real physical specimen with great pace - doubts are on his cleanness with the footy and ability to consistently rack up disposals. Wouldn't mind seeing him pinch hit all over the ground, including as our second ruck. Ryder is a capable number one ruckman but is a dinosaur in any other position. It'd be great to have Marsh's aggression and physicality in the middle for short bursts as well as going forward and taking on a fatigued/undersized defender from time to time. Then he also has the versatility to cover for basically any position on the ground in case of injury.

His natural position IMO is in defence on marking medium forward types, but half of our list is made up of defenders and he's not going to force his way into that starting lineup. As a utility he could be valuable.

 

[Mowman]

What are our expectations of Jonathan Marsh?
Looks like a big guy with a bit of aggression. Where’s his best spot and can he make best 22?
I’m hoping he’s going to be a win for us considering he was good enough to be drafted and we got him for next to nothing if I call correctly.

Would like to see him play in the midfield, played there in under aged footy

 

[plugger66]

He isnt a direct one for one replacement, but Jones will bring similar attributes to our midfield to what Steven brought.

And when you consider what we are paying Jones this year and what we are paying Steven this year, we are getting a hell of a lot more out of Jones with that money.

Again no one is doubting that. It was the comparison of them as players. It’s funny how things change. After round one he copped heaps for his terrible disposal. Now he is jacks replacement. To me some are thinking that’s jack near his best not Jack now.

 

[plugger66]

What are our expectations of Jonathan Marsh?
Looks like a big guy with a bit of aggression. Where’s his best spot and can he make best 22?
I’m hoping he’s going to be a win for us considering he was good enough to be drafted and we got him for next to nothing if I call correctly.

He isn’t a mid in the afl. I went to plenty of sandy games last year and was tried forward and back. Very fast for his size but doesn’t seem to have midfield qualities this doesn’t really play there. A good honest trier. Like much of our depth he is a c to d grade player. We did have a b grade depth player in round one His name was battle.

 

[Impatient Saint]

Would like to see him play in the midfield, played there in under aged footy

Totally agree we dont have the ready made stars through the midfield, so it would be great so see Ratts think outside the box and Marsh's big body in the middle is exactly that. Even Battle & Membrey to rotate through to mix it up Ratts. Get ahead of the curve - we dont have have to do exactly what other teams are doing get on the front foot and use our strengths.

I will be so disappointed if Ratts coaching setups just continue on from what Richardson was doing and the North game smelt the same.

 

[Gosaints12]

What are our expectations of Jonathan Marsh?
Looks like a big guy with a bit of aggression. Where’s his best spot and can he make best 22?
I’m hoping he’s going to be a win for us considering he was good enough to be drafted and we got him for next to nothing if I call correctly.

I like him. Could take Gears spot.

 

[ScrappyDo]

I like him. Could take Gears spot.

So could Coffield and Webster..

 

[ScrappyDo]

He isn’t a mid in the afl. I went to plenty of sandy games last year and was tried forward and back. Very fast for his size but doesn’t seem to have midfield qualities this doesn’t really play there. A good honest trier. Like much of our depth he is a c to d grade player. We did have a b grade depth player in round one His name was battle.

If you're basing you opinion on his state league games then he is a mid because he's done so in the wafl.

Of course you didn't personally witness it so you're not going to say so, but none the less it did happen.

The OP asked what were peoples expectations, to which you replied only by quashing the expectations of the other respondents, rather than offering your own hopes or desires.

Having rated Marsh as a C or D grade honest trier, you could have simply said that you have no expectations for him at all, or, you could have just left the rest of us to continue existing in our bubble of blissful hope and ignorance that, just maybe, one of our plethora of sub parr foot soldiers might have something to offer before we all curl up and turn to dust.

Do you have any expectations at all? Or have you permanently dispelled with such childish frivolities, preferring to cling to the grim outlook of permanently overcast soggy days that so predictability clog the grass catcher, and provide you with the assured feeling that you knew it would happen, so you were right not to hope for a surprise unseasonably sunny day?

 

[Crusty Undies]

Well like you and others I'd prefer he just call it quits.
However if he's intent on playing we need another KPF, and for the sake of one year perhaps until Bing can be acquired, l think it's a reasonable option.
Definitely better than taking a draftee or state league player, and we'd sign him for nothing.

What do we need another kpf for? We've already got too many and we want to rest a ruck fwd too...