List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread - Part I

[boulders]

Cameron does have lots of friends down at Linton St...

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Usually he only gets offered one year. It will be interesting to see if he gets two this year.

And we gave what? 3 to McKenzie?

 

[Max the great]

Watching the Ryder and Carlisle send off video and Carlisle at the end talking about being emotional because he knew it was his last game......then a pause and...”well for this year anyway”.

Sounds to me like he’s gone, not sure what other targets we might have our eye on but we will miss the Jake Carlisle that played Saturday night. He and Howard really clicked and with Lynch and Riewoldt up on Friday I hope someone can come in and be as effective.

Looking through the players OOC list nothing really stands out so will have to be another left of field.

I really don't understand why we wouldn't be doing everything possible to keep Jake. Feels like it's a backwards step letting him go. Absolute gun IMO and has a few years left.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I reckon the stats guy we got from the Hawks is the money ball man. Howard, Jones and Butler are all stats that matter types.

Would have been good if we'd taken a shot at Hugh Greenwood, over and above Hill.

 

[Diehard Saint]

I really don't understand why we wouldn't be doing everything possible to keep Jake. Feels like it's a backwards step letting him go. Absolute gun IMO and has a few years left.

Do we actually know that this is the case or are we adding 1 plus 1 and getting 3? I read an article the other day (read so many I can’t remember which) that we were keen to have him stay. Maybe he wants more years than we want to give? Hopefully still sorting things out based on list requirements and budget for next year.

 

[Max the great]

Do we actually know that this is the case or are we adding 1 plus 1 and getting 3? I read an article the other day (read so many I can’t remember which) that we were keen to have him stay. Maybe he wants more years than we want to give? Hopefully still sorting things out based on list requirements and budget for next year.

I'm personally going from what I read on here which I suppose is pretty silly. I hope to god we keep him.
If not it's another need we have to fill instead of focusing on Mids. Just lock him away for 2 more because he is a bloody good player IMO.

 

[Glorious One]

I'm personally going from what I read on here which I suppose is pretty silly. I hope to god we keep him.
If not it's another need we have to fill instead of focusing on Mids. Just lock him away for 2 more because he is a bloody good player IMO.

Depends on his back I would suggest. If he has a degenerative intervertebral disc(which he does as a best case scenario), the writing could be on the wall for him going forward.
The club is right to exercise caution on any contract extension, subject to a thorough physical examination by a back specialist. I would say reading between the lines he has limited movement that will likely not repair.

 

[Sarcoidevo]

Cameron does have lots of friends down at Linton St...

 

[Premium]

Do we actually know that this is the case or are we adding 1 plus 1 and getting 3? I read an article the other day (read so many I can’t remember which) that we were keen to have him stay. Maybe he wants more years than we want to give? Hopefully still sorting things out based on list requirements and budget for next year.

We have to have a replacement for him , someone as good but we are limited to one late round one pick and our next is not till round 4 , so it gives us not much to trade with.
If Carlisle wants to be traded we will get screwed because we will not get the value for him and Lonie may be better keeping.

Just hope the recruiters can weave some magic.

 

[Moral Decay]

And we gave what? 3 to McKenzie?

Without knowing what DMac is on and the same for Lonie, it's a bit of a pointless complaint, for all we know Lones is getting as much for a single year as DMac is getting for 3.

 

[_Maximus_12]

At Carlisle’s age, and with his history of back injuries, a 1 year contract is all we should be offering him.
He is within his right to look else to support his family.

 

[wolfpac13]

We alsolutley cleaned up in the 2017 draft.

I'm biased of course, but I believe we have the two best players out of the top 20 taken.

(I wanted Clarke and Bonar)

 

[phantom13]

We alsolutley cleaned up in the 2017 draft.

I'm biased of course, but I believe we have the two best players out of the top 20 taken.

(I wanted Clarke and Bonar)

Rayner, Brayshaw, Cerra all very good. Naughton likely the best of the lot. Wouldn’t swap any of them for Coff and Clark.

 

[tomjoad]

Do we actually know that this is the case or are we adding 1 plus 1 and getting 3? I read an article the other day (read so many I can’t remember which) that we were keen to have him stay. Maybe he wants more years than we want to give? Hopefully still sorting things out based on list requirements and budget for next year.

I reckon it's the money. Does he think he's worth the big contract that he was on, or us he willing to take a pay cut, but with an extra year added?

 

[StCicatriz]

We alsolutley cleaned up in the 2017 draft.

I'm biased of course, but I believe we have the two best players out of the top 20 taken.

(I wanted Clarke and Bonar)

Could be a shot at number 6 too who I reckon is under peformong now

 

[my name was taken]

If Carlisle is leaving at the end of the year, surely we have a gun back lined up?

Obviously.............. its Darcy Moore

 

[Keg still on legs]

I couldn't help but notice that pause and body language from Snake too. I reckon he knows deep down he's played his last game for us.

I'd be disappointed but my gut feel is he is seeking a longer contract and the financial security that comes with it. Something we won't offer coz we know how beaten up he is. But something another club is willing to do.

Can't blame him if he's looking to secure the financial wellbeing of his family, but I'll be sad to see him go if we lose him.

 

[pebblesofsand]

The telling factor in deciding caldwells pricetag will be what each team has tabled him.

If it is accurate that we and gws have offered him 4/5 year deals, he's gonna cost our first.

No-one, not even us, was offering steele 5 years when we got him as a future 2nd.
His trade cost and contract offers by both sides represented the speculative prospect he was at that stage.

Caldwell is evidently considered a far more sure thing than steele was- by us and gws.
We of course could try and hardball the giants because he's uncontracted- but that adversarial approach doesn't seem our way.

And rightly so- gws and the suns will continue to leak elite talent back to victoria for years... we are best served trading fairly with them so they continue to deal with us professionally.

Based on this years ladder positions, we got Dougal Howard and Paddy Ryder for Pick 16 (equivalent). If you rate Ryder as a late 3rd rounder that means Howard (a more established player than Caldwell) cost about Pick 22 for his 5 year contract.

If he costs us our first I'd be expecting something back!!

 

[Veer Right]

We alsolutley cleaned up in the 2017 draft.

I'm biased of course, but I believe we have the two best players out of the top 20 taken.

(I wanted Clarke and Bonar)

I'll say St Kilda and Fremantle cleaned up in that draft with Andrew Brayshaw the best of them while Cerras behind our two.

 

[L_W_P]

Would have been good if we'd taken a shot at Hugh Greenwood, over and above Hill.

Would have loved Greenwood but the flow on effect from Hill has been huge.

Hill chose us based on Ratten.
Ryder chose us because of Hill.
Howard chose us because of Ryder.

No Hill = No Ryder or Howard.

 

[St Muir]

Depends on his back I would suggest. If he has a degenerative intervertebral disc(which he does as a best case scenario), the writing could be on the wall for him going forward.
The club is right to exercise caution on any contract extension, subject to a thorough physical examination by a back specialist. I would say reading between the lines he has limited movement that will likely not repair.

He looked very stiff and restricted on the weekend, especially during warm ups. I was surprised to see him pick up a few ground balls in the game, he’s that stiff. He’s managing it but looks in pain and it wouldn’t want to get worse.
I really hope he can manage the problem. It’s a crappy way to finish if he can’t.

 

[bird_man]

Based on this years ladder positions, we got Dougal Howard and Paddy Ryder for Pick 16 (equivalent). If you rate Ryder as a late 3rd rounder that means Howard (a more established player than Caldwell) cost about Pick 22 for his 5 year contract.

If he costs us our first I'd be expecting something back!!

It helped us that Howard was almost pushed out the door.

Giants had a 4 year contract in front of Caldwell

 

[phantom13]

If we trade our first this year (which given how high we will finish I wouldn’t be against, especially with a weird year of no 18s exposure) then I think we have to use our first next year? The rolling 2 in 3 year rule?

 

[ronnysnodgrass]

Caldwell has the same vibe as hill last year, the rumours started a fair way out and have been pretty consistent.

Have to feel fairly confident now it's highly likely to happen.

 

[The_Steadier]

Based on this years ladder positions, we got Dougal Howard and Paddy Ryder for Pick 16 (equivalent). If you rate Ryder as a late 3rd rounder that means Howard (a more established player than Caldwell) cost about Pick 22 for his 5 year contract.

If he costs us our first I'd be expecting something back!!

The difference was that port were relatively happy to let doogie go, whereas gws are seemingly desperate to hang onto caldwell.

Sure doogie was contracted and caldwell wasn't- but in reality we wouldn't really entertain playing REAL hardball and potentially send caldwell into the draft (like what happened with jack martin last year)... so him being uncontracted doesn't help our negotiating position much.
It helps a little sure- but not so much that we could say '2nd rounder or no deal' to gws.

There really isn't much difference between our first and circa pick 22. We wouldn't risk losing caldwell completely in the draft over that little difference