List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Thread.....

[Snake_Baker]

Yeh that's a shark jump.

Just ban me now before I get too truthful again!

 

[King Corey]

Just ban me now before I get too truthful again!

I don't mind hearing some weird suggestions, like pro/against re trading Brown etc.

But that suggestion was like selling your reliable car to pocket the cash because you saw a broken old Corolla you reckon you could coathanger and use instead.

 

[Shagga is all Class]

Pick 3 was McCluggage, too.

Man, Freo suck at trading even more than we do.

Andrew McLeod traded for Chris Groom.

Abraham for Stuart Anderson.

They also cut Peter Bell after 2 games. Then gave up Sinclair and picks 6, 8 and 37 to get him back.

We didn't do so well at the draft table though.

 

[the flying ham]

Considering they could be salary dumps and the Suns are keen for some cap relief, they may want a senior player or two to fill a need for a little while, it may work.
I wasn’t saying all should go but if any of them were required then we could send them up. No need to be a smartass I’m quite aware they would only genuinely be interested in draft picks.

Our ladder position this year and potentially next year means it’s quite easy for us to trade in from early in the 3rd and get into the late 2nd round which is what they would be worth.
Put some thought into it mate.

I have put some thought into it, and packaging up players on the scrap heap won't work when they could probably get them for free at seasons end anyway. Marley Williams and Hrovat were in te 100s I reckon. 4 picks in the 100s doesn't march us up a round in the draft board. Be realistic on value

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[benbanjo]

Salary cap trading is probably the way of the future when teams that feel like their window is open will engineer trades that allow them to put together a list that is getting paid 5 to 10% over the salary cap and teams in list building phase bring in better quality raft picks or elite young talent.

So a player like JMac, for example, at face value may not be worth a high pick or trading a high calibre youngster for, but if North was to pay $300k per year of his salary then he might be worth a decent second-rounder.

Wouldn't get a game at any decent team.

 

[The Nostradamus]

Wouldn't get a game at any decent team.

He wouldn’t get a game at any team

 

[tazaa]

Salary cap trading is probably the way of the future when teams that feel like their window is open will engineer trades that allow them to put together a list that is getting paid 5 to 10% over the salary cap and teams in list building phase bring in better quality raft picks or elite young talent.

So a player like JMac, for example, at face value may not be worth a high pick or trading a high calibre youngster for, but if North was to pay $300k per year of his salary then he might be worth a decent second-rounder.

Clubs are already doing it and there could be an increase going forward. Only get value on a sub 26yo player though.

 

[The acurate one]

Salary cap trading is probably the way of the future when teams that feel like their window is open will engineer trades that allow them to put together a list that is getting paid 5 to 10% over the salary cap and teams in list building phase bring in better quality raft picks or elite young talent.

So a player like JMac, for example, at face value may not be worth a high pick or trading a high calibre youngster for, but if North was to pay $300k per year of his salary then he might be worth a decent second-rounder.

I really hate the thought of paying footballers to play elsewhere. Especially when the club is very forward about asking for money from supporters.
And if club has salary cap issues, why would they bring on an additional liability of say 300K even if it's 300k under market value?

 

[King Corey]

I really hate the thought of paying footballers to play elsewhere. Especially when the club is very forward about asking for money from supporters.
And if club has salary cap issues, why would they bring on an additional liability of say 300K even if it's 300k under market value?

Get where you're coming from TAO but you could also look at it as us contributing money for the club to make the best tactical decisions.

In that hypothetical the coverage of $300k might be worth the draft pick return in the long term.

It's like not for profits paying market rates for expertise. You wouldn't donate to any of them if you were concerned that some of those funds goes to their executives' pay packets.

 

[7577969923]

I really hate the thought of paying footballers to play elsewhere. Especially when the club is very forward about asking for money from supporters.
And if club has salary cap issues, why would they bring on an additional liability of say 300K even if it's 300k under market value?
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In my example, we would have a very young list and we may be in a situation where we would need to play some players overs just to reach the minimum 92.5%. We trade a solid citizen who could be a role player in a very good team and get overs back in return. Say JMAC got traded to GWS on a 2 x $400k deal and we pick up a chunk of that wage. JMacs true market value might be a 3rd rounder or very high second-rounder. In this scenario, we could get a pick in the low 20s instead.

 

[Shinboner1]

I really hate the thought of paying footballers to play elsewhere. Especially when the club is very forward about asking for money from supporters.
And if club has salary cap issues, why would they bring on an additional liability of say 300K even if it's 300k under market value?

The money the club is asking for has nothing to do with player salary, its for the behind the scenes work and salaries/development that doesn't fall under the soft cap.

 

[pupstar]

Considering they could be salary dumps and the Suns are keen for some cap relief, they may want a senior player or two to fill a need for a little while, it may work.
I wasn’t saying all should go but if any of them were required then we could send them up. No need to be a smartass I’m quite aware they would only genuinely be interested in draft picks.

Our ladder position this year and potentially next year means it’s quite easy for us to trade in from early in the 3rd and get into the late 2nd round which is what they would be worth.
Put some thought into it mate.

I for one would love Fiorini.

 

[pupstar]

Just ban me now before I get too truthful again!

Ha ha i am sure it wont take you long but thats the the price you pay when you up set some of the muppets on here just keep telling it how it is Snake.

 

[the big lebowski]

If we trade brown we already have some short term replacements

Larkey, Daw, Walker and to a lesser extent Ziebell and potentially xerri

Comben developing

Plus I’m sure we would draft a tall forward.

 

[kool kangas]

What about a McCarthy / Wood trade seeing as everyone wants Wood out...Nothing ventured nothing gained . l cant see us getting much for Mason anyway and maybe a change for both players might help them and the clubs..

 

[Pykie]

If we trade brown we already have some short term replacements

Larkey, Daw, Walker and to a lesser extent Ziebell and potentially xerri

Comben developing

Plus I’m sure we would draft a tall forward.

I think in a developing side, you take a McDonald or Thilthorp, they are going to play the majority of next year.

Larkey turns 23 next year, he is old enough to assume the no. 1 forward mantle imo.

 

[krakouers]

Andrew McLeod traded for Chris Groom.

Abraham for Stuart Anderson.

They also cut Peter Bell after 2 games. Then gave up Sinclair and picks 6, 8 and 37 to get him back.

We didn't do so well at the draft table though.

Dont forget:

 

[The acurate one]

Get where you're coming from TAO but you could also look at it as us contributing money for the club to make the best tactical decisions.

In that hypothetical the coverage of $300k might be worth the draft pick return in the long term.

It's like not for profits paying market rates for expertise. You wouldn't donate to any of them if you were concerned that some of those funds goes to their executives' pay packets.

I understand , I just think paying players to be elsewhere is poor form. When we as a club aren't exactly flush. I don't understand the rationale behind the salary cap, as a team sitting 17th should be miles under it.

Good chance that side is filled with young players that could in time earn decent money. As we move up the ladder we'd I think be paying more money for those players.

 

[Ether]

Pick 3 was McCluggage, too.

Man, Freo suck at trading even more than we do.

Do they? They traded pick 3 (McCluggage) for McCarthy, pick 7 (became 8 - Griffin Logue), 34 (became 38 - Sean Darcy) and 72 (became 66 - Luke Ryan). Only the lead act in that trade has turned out to be a spud, the other 3 are decent.

 

[Clarke is King]

Do they? They traded pick 3 (McCluggage) for McCarthy, pick 7 (became 8 - Griffin Logue), 34 (became 38 - Sean Darcy) and 72 (became 66 - Luke Ryan). Only the lead act in that trade has turned out to be a spud, the other 3 are decent.

Massive fan of Logue and Ryan.

 

[King Corey]

Do they? They traded pick 3 (McCluggage) for McCarthy, pick 7 (became 8 - Griffin Logue), 34 (became 38 - Sean Darcy) and 72 (became 66 - Luke Ryan). Only the lead act in that trade has turned out to be a spud, the other 3 are decent.

Their Weller trade was daylight robbery too.

If McCarthy hadn't turned to be unhinged it was a very good trade but as it stands it's solid.

 

[giantroo]

I know most know he's probably gone but anyway...

 

[The chorus]

What about a McCarthy / Wood trade seeing as everyone wants Wood out...Nothing ventured nothing gained . l cant see us getting much for Mason anyway and maybe a change for both players might help them and the clubs..

I don't think we will get anything for Mason except freeing up a spot on our list and freeing up some money to be used elsewhere. There is not much point in using that list spot and money for a very speculative 25 year old like McCarthy. If he couldn't get a look in at Freo when they were desperate for key forwards he is unlikely to merit a spot on our list

 

[Snake_Baker]

Is someone going to collate these bullshit artists for their hit to miss ratio?

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Isn’t that page by Tony Sheahan?