List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

AFL Draft Pick Value Calculator - Draftguru

 

[Deaneus!]

If we play for high draft picks our rebuild will take forever.

As opposed to the 20 years we’ve been waiting doing it the other way

Honestly, if we have pick 2 I would look to see what it would take to trade down and get both GWS picks.

NO TRADE DOWNS

This is what I’m talking about re: our rebuild. It’s contingent on our making good decisions

Uh oh

 

[moogerfooger]

Izak Rankine

23

Izak Rankine

Age

26

Ht

179cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

5star

CL

1.7

4star

2021 ave 12.1 disposals, 0.9 goals per game
Jimmy Rowe 2021 ave 13.5 disposals, 0.8 goals per game

One player people want to drop, the other people think is a gun. Oh and Rankine has also given away 27 free kicks to Rowe's 9.

One player has a mountain of potential and talent, the other is an old school footballer who knows how to read the game.

I wonder who'll go further?

 

[Sanders]

Izak Rankine 2021 ave 12.1 disposals, 0.9 goals per game
Jimmy Rowe 2021 ave 13.5 disposals, 0.8 goals per game

One player people want to drop, the other people think is a gun. Oh and Rankine has also given away 27 free kicks to Rowe's 9.

One player has a mountain of potential and talent, the other is an old school footballer who knows how to read the game.

I wonder who'll go further?

None of the above has to be on the ticket

 

[Rags_118]

Izak Rankine 2021 ave 12.1 disposals, 0.9 goals per game
Jimmy Rowe 2021 ave 13.5 disposals, 0.8 goals per game

One player people want to drop, the other people think is a gun. Oh and Rankine has also given away 27 free kicks to Rowe's 9.

One player has a mountain of potential and talent, the other is an old school footballer who knows how to read the game.

I wonder who'll go further?

RANKINE at odds of 1/10.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

With Jones and McHenry it's be patient, don't write them off too early, their talent will shine through, look how long it took Darcy Parish

3

Darcy Parish

Age

28

Ht

180cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.4

5star

K

9.2

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

3.3

5star

CL

3.2

5star

D

16.6

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

9.1

5star

M

1.4

2star

T

2.0

3star

CL

3.1

4star

D

22.2

5star

K

7.6

3star

HB

14.6

5star

M

3.2

4star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.6

5star

etc.

But also Izak Rankine

23

Izak Rankine

Age

26

Ht

179cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

5star

CL

1.7

4star

hasn't done anything yet which means he never will, write him off NOW

 

[UcantCme]

Izak Rankine

23

Izak Rankine

Age

26

Ht

179cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

13.0

3star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

13.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.7

3star

T

2.7

5star

CL

1.7

4star

2021 ave 12.1 disposals, 0.9 goals per game
Jimmy Rowe 2021 ave 13.5 disposals, 0.8 goals per game

One player people want to drop, the other people think is a gun. Oh and Rankine has also given away 27 free kicks to Rowe's 9.

One player has a mountain of potential and talent, the other is an old school footballer who knows how to read the game.

I wonder who'll go further?

But one player has a much higher ceiling and more AFL attributes

On SM-G973F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[Mego Red]

Why didn't we?

All our draft scouting data would have still been fresh plus Nicks coached him for a year

Doesn't fill me with a great deal of confidence that we'll build a quality midfield anytime soon

We paid zero to get him.

Maybe that tells you how we valued him.

 

[Sanders]

We paid zero to get him.

Maybe that tells you how we valued him.

Salary? He didn’t come because GWS didn’t offer him a contract

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

We paid zero to get him.

Maybe that tells you how we valued him.

Carlton didn't value Jack Martin?

We've obviously got a problem identifying midfielders

 

[moogerfooger]

But one player has a much higher ceiling and more AFL attributes

On SM-G973F using BigFooty.com mobile app

What I find interesting is he's stagnated even as the Suns overall form has improved. He really hasn't been part of that resurgence.

 

[GreyCrow]

Nice stuff for a 17 yr old

Nice spotting and passing to the player early but the 1minute mark long run and lead impressed. He decided from a long way out he was going to get the ball (look at his starting position to finish position) ie he started in the opposite back pocket and marked on the angle in the opposite flank

Worth keeping an eye on Riley Jr

Who is Westies forward coach?

 

[Rory Walkerfield]

With Jones and McHenry it's be patient, don't write them off too early, their talent will shine through, look how long it took Darcy Parish etc.

But also Izak Rankine hasn't done anything yet which means he never will, write him off NOW

It’s a recurring theme on this board.

what a number of people who post here need to get through their thick skulls is that most of these kids will only show glimpses until they’re 22/23/24 and have played 60-100 games. That’s when consistency will come.

we will also be a bottom 10 side for the next 3-4 years. We might scrape into the 8 in 2024 but we won’t seriously contend (assuming our rebuild goes to plan) until 2026/27.

 

[Shaz2012]

Izak Rankine 2021 ave 12.1 disposals, 0.9 goals per game
Jimmy Rowe 2021 ave 13.5 disposals, 0.8 goals per game

One player people want to drop, the other people think is a gun. Oh and Rankine has also given away 27 free kicks to Rowe's 9.

One player has a mountain of potential and talent, the other is an old school footballer who knows how to read the game.

I wonder who'll go further?

Straight swap?

 

[Disco Fox]

It’s a recurring theme on this board.

what a number of people who post here need to get through their thick skulls is that most of these kids will only show glimpses until they’re 22/23/24 and have played 60-100 games. That’s when consistency will come.

we will also be a bottom 10 side for the next 3-4 years. We might scrape into the 8 in 2024 but we won’t seriously contend (assuming our rebuild goes to plan) until 2026/27.

Excellent point- as supporting evidence I submit Christian Petracca(25 years old & has peaked this season).

 

[Betts are off]

It’s a recurring theme on this board.

what a number of people who post here need to get through their thick skulls is that most of these kids will only show glimpses until they’re 22/23/24 and have played 60-100 games. That’s when consistency will come.

we will also be a bottom 10 side for the next 3-4 years. We might scrape into the 8 in 2024 but we won’t seriously contend (assuming our rebuild goes to plan) until 2026/27.

I still adhere to the old 80 game rule. Get a player to 80 games and you'll start to see them at their peak.

 

[Golumless]

It’s a recurring theme on this board.

what a number of people who post here need to get through their thick skulls is that most of these kids will only show glimpses until they’re 22/23/24 and have played 60-100 games. That’s when consistency will come.

we will also be a bottom 10 side for the next 3-4 years. We might scrape into the 8 in 2024 but we won’t seriously contend (assuming our rebuild goes to plan) until 2026/27.

It isn't consistency which is expected to come at the 60-100 game mark. It's a step up in performance from being the rough mark that the body (and in some cases, the mind) catches up with the talent level, and where they begin to truly make their mark on the league which is expected.

A kid should be expected to be a consistently average footballer pretty quickly in the piece (I'd have the mark after 20 games). Of course, like everything it's case by case. I expect someone like Cook to be inconsistent for longer then I expect Berry to be because of how farther away Cook is from being at his physical peak then Berry.

There are certainly many cases that you could safely make a call at 20-50 games that they're no-hopers. Some you only need to watch the reserves to see that.

 

[Mutineer]

Salary? He didn’t come because GWS didn’t offer him a contract

He came for more AFL opportunities but that hasn't worked out too well for him.....and that's all down to one person, Jackson Hately who is but a shadow of the player we saw for SA at the Nationals and for Central Districts in the SANFL League team in his draft year. Just looks so pedestrian pace wise now and spends too much time focused on his opponent rather than using his size advantage to attack the pill.

I just hope it's not the coaching instructions to play so defensively when the balls clearly there to be won.

 

[jackster83]

It isn't consistency which is expected to come at the 60-100 game mark. It's a step up in performance from being the rough mark that the body (and in some cases, the mind) catches up with the talent level, and where they begin to truly make their mark on the league which is expected.

A kid should be expected to be a consistently average footballer pretty quickly in the piece (I'd have the mark after 20 games). Of course, like everything it's case by case. I expect someone like Cook to be inconsistent for longer then I expect Berry to be because of how farther away Cook is from being at his physical peak then Berry.

There are certainly many cases that you could safely make a call at 20-50 games that they're no-hopers. Some you only need to watch the reserves to see that.

I reckon by 30-40 games they should have shown that they are worth persisting with. I wouldn't expect AA level performances but they should have shown some improvement in that time. Someone like Riley Knight should have been delisted after 40 games when it was clear he had no development left.

Would be nice to see a few of our guys make the 22 under 22 side. Butts and Schoenberg would have to be a chance.

 

[DaKids]

He came for more AFL opportunities but that hasn't worked out too well for him.....and that's all down to one person, Jackson Hately who is but a shadow of the player we saw for SA at the Nationals and for Central Districts in the SANFL League team in his draft year. Just looks so pedestrian pace wise now and spends too much time focused on his opponent rather than using his size advantage to attack the pill.

I just hope it's not the coaching instructions to play so defensively when the balls clearly there to be won.

I don’t watch a hell of a lot of senior footy, but I’m sure I’ve read a few pieces on here that say almost the same about Chayce Jones. Could they be coached the same?

 

[Mutineer]

I don’t watch a hell of a lot of senior footy, but I’m sure I’ve read a few pieces on here that say almost the same about Chayce Jones. Could they be coached the same?

NVB took over as mids coach this pre-season so you would hope not but the ? still remains.

Unless it's an instruction from above NVB's pay grade?

 

[Vader]

NVB took over as mids coach this pre-season so you would hope not but the ? still remains.

Unless it's an instruction from above NVB's pay grade?

It's still the same coach, with Michael Godden still destroying careers in the SANFL.

 

[DaKids]

NVB took over as mids coach this pre-season so you would hope not but the ? still remains.

Unless it's an instruction from above NVB's pay grade?

Hard to know. I haven’t watched either player much of late. Seems a coincidence though that 2 boys known as ball getters come to the Crows and become more interested in what other players around the stoppage are doing.

 

[Mutineer]

It's still the same coach, with Michael Godden still destroying careers in the SANFL.

Godden would be below NVB when it comes to midfield training programs, Hately's not a top up player he trains with the main group.
I've also seen all of our llne coaches at the SANFL matches talking to their groups at the breaks and obviously that would be the same at the half time breaks not to forget that the line coaches also do individual player reviews/videos after each game.

 

[Vader]

Godden would be below NVB when it comes to midfield training programs, Hately's not a top up player he trains with the main group.
I've also seen all of our llne coaches at the SANFL matches talking to their groups at the breaks and obviously that would be the same at the half time breaks not to forget that the linr coaches also do individual player reviews after each game.

Yes... but Godden is the one who tells him what to do on game day, the one who destroyed Chayce Jones' confidence (only being restored now that he's no longer playing SANFL), and who is almost certainly responsible for Hately's demise as well.

I have never been a fan of Hately, but Godden does have a habit of destroying midfielders by getting them to focus too much on their opponents and not enough on their own games.

 

[Crowtel]

Yes... but Godden is the one who tells him what to do on game day, the one who destroyed Chayce Jones' confidence (only being restored now that he's no longer playing SANFL), and who is almost certainly responsible for Hately's demise as well.

I have never been a fan of Hately, but Godden does have a habit of destroying midfielders by getting them to focus too much on their opponents and not enough on their own games.

Thoughts on Godden's influence on Fogarty in the SANFL then?