List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

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[WaynesWorld19]

Who is going to be taken before Callaghan?
Virtually everyone has him locked in top 4 now and I can't see anyone moving up enough.

This will be the highest pick we have used on a midfielder if we take one.

Nek Minnit

That's simply a herd mentality prevailing, not Clubland view ....maybe clubs will prefer a more contested player

In a 50/50 call Clubs will go for need

Still a lot at play ....and there will be late charges up the rankings ...like Mac Andrew

 

[eDPS]

Looks a bit superstitious as well, no pick 13

 

[Murray2503]

At this point, we could use anyone available in the draft to replace McAsey. He's not a best 22 player at this juncture.

Definitely not best 22. The fact that Murray overtook him off the rookie list must sting Ogilvie. He really ****ed that one up.

 

[Mutineer]

Definitely not best 22. The fact that Murray overtook him off the rookie list must sting Ogilvie. He really f’ed that one up.

Now I wonder who it was that brought Murray in for the Crows coaches to appraise Muzza?

Put those latent brain cells of yours to some use maybe and figure it out?

 

[SydCrow]

Now I wonder who it was that brought Murray in for the Crows coaches to appraise Muzza?

Put those latent brain cells of yours to some use maybe and figure it out?

That makes stuffing up the McAsey pick somehow even worse.

 

[Mr_Moogle]

Now I wonder who it was that brought Murray in for the Crows coaches to appraise Muzza?

Put those latent brain cells of yours to some use maybe and figure it out?

I'd rather Hamish be nailing first rounders than rookies selections.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

All key position draftees should be given 3 years before judging harshly , the 3 year is when most would show something which is next year for Fish

heck we’ve given Fog way more than that and no one seems to mind about that

 

[Mutineer]

That makes stuffing up the McAsey pick somehow even worse.

McAsey certainly hasn't done a lot to instill confidence that he's going to be worthy of his draft position but then again the bloke many wanted us to take with the original pick 4 Dylan Stephens is also yet to set the World on fire.

Luke Pedlar also comes into that discussion because he is the result of us downgrading our original pick 4 netting us GWS' 2020 1st rounder.

So really we still have 2 irons in the fire and I wouldn't be certain all is lost at this juncture.

 

[70lethal]

That's simply a herd mentality prevailing, not Clubland view ....maybe clubs will prefer a more contested player

In a 50/50 call Clubs will go for need

Still a lot at play ....and there will be late charges up the rankings ...like Mac Andrew

Dont think herd mentality applies for the top 4 or 5 most years.
190cm left foot mid with good skills and great agility dont come around very often.
GWS have plenty of bulls so cant see them passing him up.

 

[Sanders]

At this point during 2015, no one was even talking about Clayton Oliver

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Clayton Oliver

Age

28

Ht

189cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

27.8

5star

K

9.5

4star

HB

18.4

5star

M

3.2

3star

T

6.3

5star

CL

6.3

5star

D

25.1

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

14.0

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.9

5star

D

19.2

5star

K

4.6

2star

HB

14.6

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

3.8

5star

At this point during 2020 no one had heard of, let alone started discussing Luke Pedlar

Not to mention Luke Jackson

9

Luke Jackson

Age

24

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

so all this idea of a consensushaving emerged is rubbish. No one knows anything. We have no idea what real boards look like, and it doesn’t matter if Cam Twomey posts an update 3 times weekly or once a year, there isn’t a way to pretend we do not what real draft boards look like

 

[Jeffcrowe]

At this point during 2015, no one was even talking about Clayton Oliver

At this point during 2020 no one had heard of, let alone started discussing Luke Pedlar

Not to mention Luke Jackson

so all this idea of a consensushaving emerged is rubbish. No one knows anything. We have no idea what real boards look like, and it doesn’t matter if Cam Twomey posts an update 3 times weekly or once a year, there isn’t a way to pretend we do not what real draft boards look like

Yep - Clubs boards and media boards nothing alike , some club to club boards nothing alike either

 

[aabp1978]

So…are JHN and Roberts playing for the state u19s or South this weekend?

 

[ams4crows]

So…are JHN and Roberts playing for the state u19s or South this weekend?

South, if the WAFL are keeping their players I assume the SANFL will too

 

[70lethal]

At this point during 2015, no one was even talking about Clayton Oliver

At this point during 2020 no one had heard of, let alone started discussing Luke Pedlar

Not to mention Luke Jackson

so all this idea of a consensushaving emerged is rubbish. No one knows anything. We have no idea what real boards look like, and it doesn’t matter if Cam Twomey posts an update 3 times weekly or once a year, there isn’t a way to pretend we do not what real draft boards look like

You might want to check some archives.

 

[Sanders]

You might want to check some archives.

feel free to provide some specifics

 

[Danger in Texas]

At this point during 2015, no one was even talking about Clayton Oliver

At this point during 2020 no one had heard of, let alone started discussing Luke Pedlar

Not to mention Luke Jackson

so all this idea of a consensushaving emerged is rubbish. No one knows anything. We have no idea what real boards look like, and it doesn’t matter if Cam Twomey posts an update 3 times weekly or once a year, there isn’t a way to pretend we do not what real draft boards look like

To be fair, Luke Jackson was definitely heard of as a top 10-15 prospect early in the year, not quite in the Oliver/Pedlar category

But your point very much still stands

 

[WaynesWorld19]

To be fair, Luke Jackson was definitely heard of as a top 10-15 prospect early in the year, not quite in the Oliver/Pedlar category

But your point very much still stands

Think the point Sanders was making was Jackson was, as you say, looked at in that late teens pick .....no-one thought he was a chance to go where he did eventually

 

[Danger in Texas]

Think the point Sanders was making was Jackson was, as you say, looked at in that late teens pick .....no-one thought he was a chance to go where he did eventually

Yeah I agree with that. Just saying that Oliver/Pedlar are in a completely different category of their own, in that they weren’t really given any public thought at the beginning of their 18th year (in comparison to Jackson)

 

[Sanders]

To be fair, Luke Jackson was definitely heard of as a top 10-15 prospect early in the year, not quite in the Oliver/Pedlar category

But your point very much still stands

Oh I agree. Luke Jackson was a second half of first round, end of first round prospect.

he went top 3.

 

[Sanders]

Think the point Sanders was making was Jackson was, as you say, looked at in that late teens pick .....no-one thought he was a chance to go where he did eventually

not just go where he did, but absolutely be worth it too

 

[Sanders]

Yeah I agree with that. Just saying that Oliver/Pedlar are in a completely different category of their own, in that they weren’t really given any public thought at the beginning of their 18th year (in comparison to Jackson)

nah. It’s the same thing. No idea if they were good and how good they were

doedee!

it was a draft bolter, these guys were absolutely worth where they went and more

the reason is because no one knows anything

when all the dumb ass amateur observing community is sleeping on:
Oliver
Doedee
Jackson
Pedlar

and the clubs:
1. Rated them much higher
2. Were right to rate them so high

Was that a coincidence or just more proof that the magic 8 ball guesses a few right, but they’re still just guessing

 

[Danger in Texas]

nah. It’s the same thing. No idea if they were good and how good they were

doedee!

it was a draft bolter, these guys were absolutely worth where they went and more

the reason is because no one knows anything

when all the dumb ass amateur observing community is sleeping on:
Oliver
Doedee
Jackson
Pedlar

and the clubs:
1. Rated them much higher
2. Were right to rate them so high

Was that a coincidence or just more proof that the magic 8 ball guesses a few right, but they’re still just guessing

My point is that Jackson was actually on the public radar throughout his draft year, unlike the other three. Not ‘top 3’ radar, but still well-known. He might have been top 3 all year in the minds of clubs, just like Pedlar might have been in that 10-20 range all year in clubland, but Jackson didn’t come out of *complete* no man’s land around draft time, from a public perspective (like Oliver/Doedee/Pedlar did)

I do agree with the rest of your point

 

[Sanders]

My point is that Jackson was actually on the public radar throughout his draft year, unlike the other three. Not ‘top 3’ radar, but still well-known. He might have been top 3 all year in the minds of clubs, just like Pedlar might have been in that 10-20 range all year in clubland, but Jackson didn’t come out of *complete* no man’s land around draft time, from a public perspective (like Oliver/Doedee/Pedlar did)

I do agree with the rest of your point

your making a point that doesn’t matter. Stop digging

having a name with no idea of its value is just as useless as no name at all. It just shows the lack of connection between “public” voices and reality. That’s all

there are no bonus points for stumbling across a name

there is only one question:
Do public assessments have any relationship with the reality of club land?

No

the end

 

[70lethal]

The point I made was top 4 or 5

Oliver was the bolter after the conbine.

Jackson was widely topped top 10 for ages.
It was widely suspected Melbourne were going to take him with there 1st.
Rowell, Anderson were going 1,2 and Greene would have rounded out top 4 if we didn't pick swap.

Walsh, Rankine, Lukosius, MKing, BKing, Smith were top 6 for how long? Caldwell would have been there if not for injuries. Blakey and Thomas were around the mark.

Depending where clubs finish and trade week does have an impact hence Powa taking Rozee at 5

JUH, TT, Hollands, Phillips were top 5 for a long time.
McDonald and DGB climb throughout the season and most settled they would be the top 6

Horne, Daicos, Darcy, Callaghan I think will be similar, after that bit of a lottery.

There's rarely an absolute bolter in the top 5

 

[Danger in Texas]

there is only one question:
Do public assessments have any relationship with the reality of club land?

No

the end

Again, I agree, just thought in your original post you were insinuating no-one in the public was talking about Jackson in general (rather than as a top-3 pick), considering you lumped him in with Oliver/Pedlar