List Mgmt. 2021 Draft picks: 4/33/75

[Deaneus!]

thanks to Lore as always

AFL Draft Pick Value Calculator - Draftguru

 

[arsene wenger1]

Oliver was a star almost immediately .....but Petracca was being talked as a potential flop, having talent but not the workrate .....potentially being a permanent HFF

Burgess gets him fit & WOW !

Pretty similar to what they say about Rayner from Brisbane also

 

[Mutineer]

Let's focus on polish. If you can't kick I don't care how 'big bodied' you are.

There's a monumental difference between being an elite kicking midfielder which you seem to covet and a proficient kick, you're dreaming if you think the perfect mid even exists.

Petracca, Oliver, Bontompelli, Wines, Martin, Dangerfield are not polished kicks, at best they are proficient kicking midfielders.

 

[Scorpus]

I guess the question isn't so much whether they have Champion Data Certified Efficient Kicks, but more whether they make the right decisions by foot

For example, which players when kicking inside 50 look to spot up leading forwards, as opposed to bombing it long and high or straight to defenders.

Players that kick long inside 50 to a forward's advantage, but may not perfectly hit the target, are more valuable than sideways chip merchants that rack up efficient kicks behind center.

Which players have the skill to kick snap goals out of packs? Which players make intelligent decisions about where to kick? Which players kick to advantage even if the receiving player stuffs it up?

I'm fine with a player not having a laser kick if they are intelligent ball users that take attacking options and don't go the easy long bomb or sideways chip

 

[conVINCEd]

Has there been any confirmation on whether Gold Coast actually has pick 19?

 

[Mego Red]

Whatever pick but he's top of my list as the difference maker in this draft that should be available to us, though I suspect he goes higher than most are predicting.

When you say "most are predicting", do you mean Twomey who has reported he's "now entering first round calculations"?

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Port Adelaide great Kane Cornes

Kane Cornes

Age

43

Ht

183cm

Wt

78kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.5

5star

K

12.5

5star

HB

11.0

5star

M

5.2

5star

T

3.3

5star

CL

2.6

4star

No current season stats available

D

13.0

4star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.2

3star

has teed off at clubs for offering long-term deals to “fringe” players, saying the practice “blows my mind”.

Fremantle are reported to have tabled a four-year deal to contracted Geelong youngster Jordan Clark

6

Jordan Clark

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.5

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

10.4

4star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

, while Carlton are widely expected to bring George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

30

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

across from Sydney on a deal of the same length.

Speaking on AFL Trade Radio, Cornes said the length of deals being offered to players like Clark and Hewett to lure them out of clubs was bizarre.

Why would a club offer Jordan Clark

6

Jordan Clark

Age

25

Ht

185cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.7

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

4.3

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.6

4star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.5

3star

K

8.5

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

172.0

3star

D

12.2

3star

K

10.4

4star

HB

1.8

2star

M

3.4

4star

T

2.4

4star

four years?”, Cornes asked.

“This is what gets me, and George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

30

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

who’s going to go from Sydney to Carlton, I read four years - Why would you give George Hewett

29

George Hewett

Age

30

Ht

187cm

Wt

87kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.7

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

10.3

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.1

5star

CL

3.3

5star

D

13.8

3star

K

4.8

2star

HB

9.0

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

3.2

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.2

3star

K

7.8

3star

HB

3.4

3star

M

3.4

4star

T

4.0

5star

CL

0.4

3star

four years? That makes no sense.

‘Blows my mind’: Cornes blasts clubs for ‘no sense’ trade offers

‘Blows my mind’: Cornes blasts clubs for ‘no sense’ trade offers

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Velvet George]

Port Adelaide great Kane Cornes has teed off at clubs for offering long-term deals to “fringe” players, saying the practice “blows my mind”.

Fremantle are reported to have tabled a four-year deal to contracted Geelong youngster Jordan Clark, while Carlton are widely expected to bring George Hewett across from Sydney on a deal of the same length.

Speaking on AFL Trade Radio, Cornes said the length of deals being offered to players like Clark and Hewett to lure them out of clubs was bizarre.

Why would a club offer Jordan Clark four years?”, Cornes asked.

“This is what gets me, and George Hewett who’s going to go from Sydney to Carlton, I read four years - Why would you give George Hewett four years? That makes no sense.

‘Blows my mind’: Cornes blasts clubs for ‘no sense’ trade offers

‘Blows my mind’: Cornes blasts clubs for ‘no sense’ trade offers

www.foxsports.com.au

No offence, but do we really care what Kane thinks? This isn't info and it's hard enough avoiding this flog as it is.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

No offence, but do we really care what Kane thinks? This isn't info and it's hard enough avoiding this flog as it is.

Irrespective of your view on Kane .....did he not raise some valid points ?

I'd be unhappy offering 4 year deals to fringe players, as a way of luring them to your side ......now that said we've offered 5 years to Dawson ....depends on your interpretation of "fringe"

EDIT ....SYD had to off-load Hewitt .....so you didn't need a 4 year carrot

 

[Murray2503]

Port Adelaide great Kane Cornes has teed off at clubs for offering long-term deals to “fringe” players, saying the practice “blows my mind”.

Fremantle are reported to have tabled a four-year deal to contracted Geelong youngster Jordan Clark, while Carlton are widely expected to bring George Hewett across from Sydney on a deal of the same length.

Speaking on AFL Trade Radio, Cornes said the length of deals being offered to players like Clark and Hewett to lure them out of clubs was bizarre.

Why would a club offer Jordan Clark four years?”, Cornes asked.

“This is what gets me, and George Hewett who’s going to go from Sydney to Carlton, I read four years - Why would you give George Hewett four years? That makes no sense.

‘Blows my mind’: Cornes blasts clubs for ‘no sense’ trade offers

‘Blows my mind’: Cornes blasts clubs for ‘no sense’ trade offers

www.foxsports.com.au

He probably has a point on Clark. Surely it's 4 years on poor money as he has shown bugger all so far.

 

[Golumless]

Port Adelaide great Kane Cornes has teed off at clubs for offering long-term deals to “fringe” players, saying the practice “blows my mind”.

Fremantle are reported to have tabled a four-year deal to contracted Geelong youngster Jordan Clark, while Carlton are widely expected to bring George Hewett across from Sydney on a deal of the same length.

Speaking on AFL Trade Radio, Cornes said the length of deals being offered to players like Clark and Hewett to lure them out of clubs was bizarre.

Why would a club offer Jordan Clark four years?”, Cornes asked.

“This is what gets me, and George Hewett who’s going to go from Sydney to Carlton, I read four years - Why would you give George Hewett four years? That makes no sense.

‘Blows my mind’: Cornes blasts clubs for ‘no sense’ trade offers

‘Blows my mind’: Cornes blasts clubs for ‘no sense’ trade offers

www.foxsports.com.au

Wasn't Kane a part of that Port clique way back when that wouldn't bother to interact with new players at the club until they established themselves as best 22 players?

 

[WeedsMullet84]

Irrespective of your view on Kane .....did he not raise some valid points ?

I'd be unhappy offering 4 year deals to fringe players, as a way of luring them to your side ......now that said we've offered 5 years to Dawson ....depends on your interpretation of "fringe"

EDIT ....SYD had to off-load Hewitt .....so you didn't need a 4 year carrot

Irrespective of your view of Kane, what's this got to do with our Draft selections?

 

[Bearded Clam]

1) we likely won't be playing in a grand final in two years anyway
2) Keays is probably best as a 3rd or 4th best mid rather than our 2nd best, but to say that he can't be part of a GF team is ludicrous. He'd easily be Melbourne's 3rd best pure midfielder right now

1) never said we would be playing in a GF in two years time.. my point was that if Keays is still one if our main mids in two years time that we’d be nowhere near a GF…
2) “Keays would easily be Melbournes 3rd best pure midfielder right now”…

WTF???… keays wouldnt even make the Dees 22.. Keays couldnt even make the Lions best 22, thats why they delisted him.

I’d have Brayshaw and Viney then a thousand years of daylight before Keays…

Edit: You can laugh at that all you like “Danger in Texas” but who out of that dees side on the weekend would you say Keays would take a spot in the 22 away from?..

 

[LoBu]

With Hawthorn in a similar draft position as Adelaide, also undertaking a rebuild, I found this to be a good little video, not that our resident BF draft watchers aren't insightful because they are.

 

[Danger in Texas]

WTF???… keays wouldnt even make the Dees 22.. Keays couldnt even make the Lions best 22, thats why they delisted him.

I’d have Brayshaw and Viney then a thousand years of daylight before Keays…

Brayshaw of the GF and of 2018 maybe, but otherwise you can’t be serious?

 

[Golumless]

1) never said we would be playing in a GF in two years time.. my point was that if Keays is still one if our main mids in two years time that we’d be nowhere near a GF…
2) “Keays would easily be Melbournes 3rd best pure midfielder right now”…

WTF???… keays wouldnt even make the Dees 22.. Keays couldnt even make the Lions best 22, thats why they delisted him.

I’d have Brayshaw and Viney then a thousand years of daylight before Keays…

Edit: You can laugh at that all you like “Danger in Texas” but who out of that dees side on the weekend would you say Keays would take a spot in the 22 away from?..

A point that seems smart until you realise that even if we do everything right, we're not going to be near a grand final in two years time. 3-4 years, maybe?

This is where it pays to take a quick gander at a stat sheet before committing to a strange comment, as 2021 Keays has Vineys number and it's a pretty significant gap between the two.

Disposals? Keays is up by ~ 6
Goals? Keays can actually claim to be a goal kicking midfielder with 12. Viney has 5.
Score Involvements? Keays averages 0.2 more (and in a weaker side).
Defense? Viney averages 1.1 more tackle, and 2.4 pressure acts. Both players are rated as elite in these facets.
Kicking efficiency? Keays is 4% more efficient by foot, and that's despite Keays averaging 120 more meters gained per game (which would lower kicking efficiency).
Clearances? Keays edges Viney 5.5 to 5.3

Viney wouldn't get a game if Melbourne had 2021 Keays available to them. Ben is a clear step up as a defensive midfielder. The only benefit Viney would have is it cost Melbourne less to keep him, but that's only relevant for a 2023 Keays.

Keays is a strange whipping boy for this board, seeing he could easily find himself as an elite midfielder next year with a couple of minor corrections.

 

[jackster83]

1) never said we would be playing in a GF in two years time.. my point was that if Keays is still one if our main mids in two years time that we’d be nowhere near a GF…
2) “Keays would easily be Melbournes 3rd best pure midfielder right now”…

WTF???… keays wouldnt even make the Dees 22.. Keays couldnt even make the Lions best 22, thats why they delisted him.

I’d have Brayshaw and Viney then a thousand years of daylight before Keays…

Edit: You can laugh at that all you like “Danger in Texas” but who out of that dees side on the weekend would you say Keays would take a spot in the 22 away from?..

Keays would be picked ahead of Harmes every day of the week.

 

[Mutineer]

When you say "most are predicting", do you mean Twomey who has reported he's "now entering first round calculations"?

I'm talking top 10, that's where I have him on talent as well as the kind of player we should be bringing into the mix.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Keays would be picked ahead of Harmes every day of the week.

Sparrow, too. I know they play different roles but I’m sure they would make room for Keays ahead of Bowey, ANB and Spargo as well

 

[Mutineer]

1) never said we would be playing in a GF in two years time.. my point was that if Keays is still one if our main mids in two years time that we’d be nowhere near a GF…
2) “Keays would easily be Melbournes 3rd best pure midfielder right now”…

WTF???… keays wouldnt even make the Dees 22.. Keays couldnt even make the Lions best 22, thats why they delisted him.

I’d have Brayshaw and Viney then a thousand years of daylight before Keays…

Edit: You can laugh at that all you like “Danger in Texas” but who out of that dees side on the weekend would you say Keays would take a spot in the 22 away from?..

That's your opinion, clearly it's not shared by many but you've chosen your hill to die on so be it.

Your continued shitcanning of Ben Keays is getting quite tiresome, seems your trying to emulate some of the David Mackay haters with regard to Ben Keays.

I'm laughing too by the way.

 

[Golumless]

Keays would be picked ahead of Harmes every day of the week.

Sparrow too, as much as the kid has a bit to like about him.

Even players like Alex Neil Bullen and Charlie Spargo would be in danger due to Keays being able to rotate forward.

 

[Mutineer]

Port Adelaide great Kane Cornes has teed off at clubs for offering long-term deals to “fringe” players, saying the practice “blows my mind”.

Fremantle are reported to have tabled a four-year deal to contracted Geelong youngster Jordan Clark, while Carlton are widely expected to bring George Hewett across from Sydney on a deal of the same length.

Speaking on AFL Trade Radio, Cornes said the length of deals being offered to players like Clark and Hewett to lure them out of clubs was bizarre.

Why would a club offer Jordan Clark four years?”, Cornes asked.

“This is what gets me, and George Hewett who’s going to go from Sydney to Carlton, I read four years - Why would you give George Hewett four years? That makes no sense.

‘Blows my mind’: Cornes blasts clubs for ‘no sense’ trade offers

‘Blows my mind’: Cornes blasts clubs for ‘no sense’ trade offers

www.foxsports.com.au

Jordan Clark would be playing in a lot of the AFL's best 22 without any doubt at all. Geelong have several players that have been wasted over time and should have been playing over several of the geriatrics getting games. Narkle, Kreuger, Clark and Constable come quickly to mind. Higgins and Rohan are past their use by date.

 

[DaKids]

A point that seems smart until you realise that even if we do everything right, we're not going to be near a grand final in two years time. 3-4 years, maybe?

This is where it pays to take a quick gander at a stat sheet before committing to a strange comment, as 2021 Keays has Vineys number and it's a pretty significant gap between the two.

Disposals? Keays is up by ~ 6
Goals? Keays can actually claim to be a goal kicking midfielder with 12. Viney has 5.
Score Involvements? Keays averages 0.2 more (and in a weaker side).
Defense? Viney averages 1.1 more tackle, and 2.4 pressure acts. Both players are rated as elite in these facets.
Kicking efficiency? Keays is 4% more efficient by foot, and that's despite Keays averaging 120 more meters gained per game (which would lower kicking efficiency).
Clearances? Keays edges Viney 5.5 to 5.3

Viney wouldn't get a game if Melbourne had 2021 Keays available to them. Ben is a clear step up as a defensive midfielder. The only benefit Viney would have is it cost Melbourne less to keep him, but that's only relevant for a 2023 Keays.

Keays is a strange whipping boy for this board, seeing he could easily find himself as an elite midfielder next year with a couple of minor corrections.

I really don’t understand it. Not only is he a very good footballer, he’s played just 68 games - 68! He’s nowhere near complete as a player. Probably 2023 will see him closer to his peak.

 

[Golumless]

I really don’t understand it. Not only is he a very good footballer, he’s played just 68 games - 68! He’s nowhere near complete as a player. Probably 2023 will see him closer to his peak.

Like, I get the complaint about kicking, seeing he's a butcher, but that's most likely made more managable by the side around Keays becoming better.

But really, it doesn't take much of an improvement for Keays to cement himself as one of the elite. After all, he's borderline now. Heck if he finds another 4 disposals a game, he might even be a Brownlow fancy to indicate how close he is (seeing that's the main difference favouring Wines over Keays atm).

 

[WaynesWorld19]

Jordan Clark would be playing in a lot of the AFL's best 22 without any doubt at all. Geelong have several players that have been wasted over time and should have been playing over several of the geriatrics getting games. Narkle, Kreuger, Clark and Constable come quickly to mind. Higgins and Rohan are past their use by date.

Clark should have been playing in GEEL's side too ....the lacked pace, and Clark had pace, and when played in position did well

 

[Crow_68]

Irrespective of your view on Kane .....did he not raise some valid points ?

I'd be unhappy offering 4 year deals to fringe players, as a way of luring them to your side ......now that said we've offered 5 years to Dawson ....depends on your interpretation of "fringe"

EDIT ....SYD had to off-load Hewitt .....so you didn't need a 4 year carrot

He's got a point.

We offered 3 years to Billy Frampton....let that sink in.