List Mgmt. 2021 draft pool.

[Lore]

 

[richoatthedisco]

yes that's what everyone says. Lead up 180cm half forward type, not exactly high on our wish list. I'm sure he can play as he is talked up, bland more to do with his highlights being nothing special and the position he would play at Richmond.

You'd be taking him for his midfield ability too. He's strong, balanced, a very good mark and the best kick in the pool.

Still a long way to go before the draft, but I'm starting to think Gibcus is the one that slides to us. I know we want a mid, but if all of Callaghan/Hobbs/Ward/Rachelle are gone then I think we'd take the key defender before we reached into that next tier of mids.

1. NM - Horne-Francis
2. WB - Darcy
3. COL - Daicos
4. GWS - Callaghan
5. GC - Andrew
6. ADE - Hobbs
7. HAW - Ward
8. FRE - Rachelle
9. RIC - Gibcus

That wouldn't be the worst result. I would be tempted to go Johnson though.

I call rubbish as GCS stated they'd take Callaghan if he wasn't taken by GWS.

Did they? Where?

If they are that keen on Andrew, then Gold Coast's intentions may make it difficult for them to drop down to pick 9 and give us pick 2.

I think we'd probably have to promise GWS we'd take Hobbs with the pick to get them to give it to us. If we got pick 2 and went with Callaghan over Hobbs, then there's a reasonable risk that the next player on GC's board is Andrew and GWS misses out. However if we take Hobbs, then GC takes Callaghan and Andrew is a good chance to slide on past Adelaide, Hawthorn and Freo down to GWS at 9.

If GWS prefer Callaghan at pick 2, and GC's next preference is Andrew, then its probably pretty safe for them to do a deal with us to drop down, for the same reasons as above.

Not sure Hobbs is worth trading up for.

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"Experts".

That would be a pretty great haul. Big fan
Of Jack Williams, thing people are sleeping on him with Van Rooyen and Amiss taking the lime light

I like Williams.

 

[fargothegreat]

I think too many people have false hope - from just 2013 to 2017 (enough time to make an impact) here are some of the selections from the top-10 (50 players) …. and people don’t want Graham at what becomes pick-9..??

Boyd
Kolodashnij
Scharanberg
Aish
Freeman
McCartin
Jarrod Pickett
Marchbank
Ahern
Wright
Cockatoo
Francis
Ah-Chee
Weideman
Schache
Ainsworth
Setterfield
SPS
Brodie
Dow
Coffield
O’Brien
Stephenson

If you take out players who have been impacted by injury/concussion/mental illness (Boyd, Kolodashnij, Scharanberg, Freeman, McCartin, Marchbank, Ahern, Cockatoo, Francis) and Carlton and Gold Coast players who have probably been developed pretty poorly (Pickett, Wright, Ah-Chee, Ainsworth, Setterfield, SPS, Brodie, Dow, O'Brien) that list of busts (bolded) is actually pretty small.

 

[Barnard]

Lennon was a medium tall with not a big leap and no speed , This is a massive issue unless yu are a very special player like stevie J
also had no midfield ability which limited his ability to play.

He could have developed the midfield side tho if he had the desire, just wanted it all his own way from an outsiders perspective

 

[4tune8]

I do think Graham has the potential to move up a tier due to the fact that he has played games where he has hit the 30+ mark, twice. Hopefully he does it on a more regular basis going forward. He has attributes that are as good as anyone in the team but I find him limited. Vlas/Grimes/Prestia/Martin/Riewoldt/Cotchin/Edwards/Short/Lynch/Balta/Bolton/Lambert/Stack/Nankervis and maybe Broad, are all more talented players in my opinion.
I hope he becomes a Boak type, agreed his best footy is ahead of him.

I think you're comparing him to the wrong player, Jack Steele is the one you should be looking at and Jack Graham is tracking along quite nicely.

 

[strauchy]

I can see us taking Gibcus. Just the gut feeling that his name will be read out and then we get footage of him on the Richmond site. Won’t play next year at all but will come on hopefully like grimes in the future. Would be an amazing result.

I still want Hobbs though as we need an inside bull.

 

[Damo80]

If you take out players who have been impacted by injury/concussion/mental illness (Boyd, Kolodashnij, Scharanberg, Freeman, McCartin, Marchbank, Ahern, Cockatoo, Francis) and Carlton and Gold Coast players who have probably been developed pretty poorly (Pickett, Wright, Ah-Chee, Ainsworth, Setterfield, SPS, Brodie, Dow, O'Brien) that list of busts (bolded) is actually pretty small.

But on the back of people saying "we want a gun with our top 10 pick", the point was more "how many turn out to be "the gun" you're picturing when you say that". Truth is, the people expecting a gun would not rate about a third of top 10 picks as A graders, let alone game changers if you review them year by year. Apart from the 2016 draft, every other draft in the period Noidnadroj highlighted probably had 2 to 3 really good players in their top 10's.

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[Tiger_Of_Old]

Sheldrick is a player we should definitely target with one of our picks in the 20’s, if he’s still available at that point of the draft

Very much so.if we miss on him i hope we snare Taylor

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I think Tiges only do that deal on the night, and only if they can't get Pick 2 from GWS AND one of Hobbs or Ward are still on the table.

My guess is that we would take Pick 7 & 15 for Pick 4.

Yeah i guess it comes down to respective recruiting managers, but Richmond seem to be making it pretty well known that you're looking to trade up.

7 & 15 i'd only do for Callaghan.
No way i'd do that for Ward or Hobbs.

 

[dean33]

Not a snowflakes chance in hell GWS do that deal. Pick 2 for what will become Pick 9 and 17?

You just have to look at previous trades to know that moving up the draft order barely ever happens because the cost is too high.

Surely if 7 and 15 become 9 and 17 you’d agree that pick 2 will actually be pick 4?

 

[GoTigers2015]

Jack Graham is a future captain if our club. His performance to play out the final with a smashed shoulder is the stuff of legend. People attacking him in here should hang their head in shame. He runs from contest to contest, kicks key goals when we need them, tags out champions when we need someone to stop an opponent. He is a terrific Richmond man and we should all be proud to have him in our lineup.

Also made an impact in his 5th game, Jack Graham that is

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Still a long way to go before the draft, but I'm starting to think Gibcus is the one that slides to us. I know we want a mid, but if all of Callaghan/Hobbs/Ward/Rachelle are gone then I think we'd take the key defender before we reached into that next tier of mids.

1. NM - Horne-Francis
2. WB - Darcy
3. COL - Daicos
4. GWS - Callaghan
5. GC - Andrew
6. ADE - Hobbs
7. HAW - Ward
8. FRE - Rachelle
9. RIC - Gibcus

If those 3 mids are gone.
I'd rather put the for sale sign up for 7 for a future 1st.
(Hawks)-Pick 7 & 28 for Pick 21 & Future 1st.
(Stk)-Nothing to offer really except a future 1st.
(Freo)-Pick 7(very tempting for them 3 WA boys)& 28 for 19 & Future 1st
(Bris)-Pick 7 & 28 For pick 14 & future 1st.

 

[Infamy]

Surely if 7 and 15 become 9 and 17 you’d agree that pick 2 will actually be pick 4?

Highly likely, I'd imagine GWS bids on both given their need for a KPP

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

I wouldn't be trading into next year unless we're offered a trade you can't say no to. As I've said repeatedly I see this draft as the first stage of the rebuilding on the fly. We're going to bring in 5 top 30 rated kids, can't recall a time a premiership contender has been able to do that, while still in their window without trading out stars. We have been able to achieve it by moving on fringe players, some we wanted to keep and others who chose to explore other options, which holds us in good stead.

One thing I would be saying though is we should be holding off on the expectations that pick 7 will tip us over the edge as far as being a contender is concerned. Remember these kids are coming off 2 years of limited development so it's highly unlikely that any kid we bring in this year is going to hit the ground running.

For mine our keys to whether we're a legit contender or mid pack pretender is how the likes of RCD Ross Dow Martyn Miller Ryan Parker Ralphsmith go that will make or break us.

Whats wrong with taking 4 this year(Covid year) & 5+ next year(Freedom)?

 

[poppa pump]

This is a extremely serious draft for Richmond,god I'm hoping we pick a star like .. Legendary Relton Roberts .

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

This is a extremely serious draft for Richmond,god I'm hoping we pick a star like View attachment 1265178.. Legendary Relton Roberts .

Ahhhh Relton what might have been...

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Ahhhh Relton what might have been...

One with the lot?

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

One with the lot?

With a side dish of fries...

 

[Bird Man]

If those 3 mids are gone.
I'd rather put the for sale sign up for 7 for a future 1st.
(Hawks)-Pick 7 & 28 for Pick 21 & Future 1st.
(Stk)-Nothing to offer really except a future 1st.
(Freo)-Pick 7(very tempting for them 3 WA boys)& 28 for 19 & Future 1st
(Bris)-Pick 7 & 28 For pick 14 & future 1st.

don't think any club wants to trade into a draft that has kids that have not played football and missed crucial milestone development years to covid washed seasons.

If anything i reckon clubs will trade out of it heavy during the draft days in the coming weeks.

But i could be wrong and they think they can evaluate kids of one year before they join the afl lists.

 

[Jungle Noise]

I wouldn't mind if the club nabbed the 2 WA boys with our first 2 picks.

If Freo pick Eramus (as I think they will), I'd pick Amiss & Van Rooyen.

I'd then pick 3 mids with our picks in the 20's

That's just me though.

I agree we have won 3 Premierships without the best midfield and rucks.
We did have key forwards in all three however.
For me lm taking Van Royeen at 7 as there are midfielders a plenty that will become solid 100-200 gamers .
Key forwards are harder to get


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[Tortured Tiger]

don't think any club wants to trade into a draft that has kids that have not played football and missed crucial milestone development years to covid washed seasons.

If anything i reckon clubs will trade out of it heavy during the draft days in the coming weeks.

But i could be wrong and they think they can evaluate kids of one year before they join the afl lists.

To be honest I don’t think it would be any worse than what the club has to work with this year with the lack of footy played for the last two years. They traded into this draft thinking the kids would of played all or most of this year.

 

[GoTigers2015]

Reckon there is a reasonable chance of getting Bazzo at pick 26/27/28

pick 19 Freo will be used to get a slider
pick 20 Norf could get Bazzo or Leek Aleer
pick 21 / 24 Hawks don't need another developing KPD
pick 22 Geel have been linked to mids
pick 23 WBD likely to be traded to Geelong
pick 25 Carlton have just traded in Lewis Young

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Lewis Young

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197.9

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6.2

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6.4

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2.0

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MG

181.6

3star

 

[Bird Man]

To be honest I don’t think it would be any worse than what the club has to work with this year with the lack of footy played for the last two years. They traded into this draft thinking the kids would of played all or most of this year.

they still had footage and notes from under 16s

next batch will have next to nothing other than what will unfold next year.

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

don't think any club wants to trade into a draft that has kids that have not played football and missed crucial milestone development years to covid washed seasons.

If anything i reckon clubs will trade out of it heavy during the draft days in the coming weeks.

But i could be wrong and they think they can evaluate kids of one year before they join the afl lists.

Maybe.But Freo might be tempted.6/7 & 8 =Emwhatshisname/Amiss & Johnson.

 

[fargothegreat]

That would be a pretty great haul. Big fan
Of Jack Williams, thing people are sleeping on him with Van Rooyen and Amiss taking the lime light

Don't think Williams has shown enough to warrant a top 30 selection. He's probably a more speculative pick for later in the draft.

I'm not a huge fan of Amiss either. Concerned he may be another Schache/Brander type who struggles in the contest.

Van Rooyen is probably the only key forward in the draft that I'd look at, and we'd have to take him at 17 if we wanted him. Someone may get in earlier.

 

[AstuteTiger]

The Tigers, who’ve farewelled seven players since the end of their 2021 campaign, have a stacked draft hand, which was helped by a pick swap with Collingwood orchestrated this week. According to the draft value index, no club holds more points than Richmond ahead of November’s draft.

RICHMOND

Draft picks (as of October 21): 7, 15, 26, 27, 28

The list needs they must address: Lots of picks to fill a few chasms. The most pressing is probably in the midfield, with the Tigers ranking 16th for contested possession differential and 18th for clearance differential in 2021. When you consider Shane Edwards

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Shane Edwards

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37

Ht

182cm

Wt

78kg

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17.2

4star

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8.1

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9.1

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M

2.6

3star

T

2.9

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CL

3.0

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16.4

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K

6.6

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9.8

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0.6

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3.0

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4.2

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8.6

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5.2

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3.4

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3.4

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, Trent Cotchin

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Trent Cotchin

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35

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185cm

Wt

86kg

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23.4

5star

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13.8

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9.5

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3.4

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3.9

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CL

5.2

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D

19.0

4star

K

9.5

4star

HB

9.5

5star

M

2.7

3star

T

4.3

5star

CL

3.5

4star

D

16.6

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

4.6

5star

T

1.0

3star

, Dustin Martin and Kane Lambert

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Kane Lambert

Age

34

Ht

178cm

Wt

77kg

Pos.

Fwd

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19.7

5star

K

9.5

4star

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10.2

5star

M

3.7

4star

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3.5

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0.6

4star

D

17.3

4star

K

7.6

3star

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9.6

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M

3.4

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3.1

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0.5

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10.6

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

1.6

4star

G

0.2

3star

will all be over 30 by Round 1 next season, on-ball stocks is clearly something that requires addressing. And even though they acquired Robbie Tarrant

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Robbie Tarrant

Age

36

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Def

Career

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14.5

4star

K

9.4

4star

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5.1

4star

M

5.3

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T

1.8

4star

MG

284.7

4star

D

15.1

4star

K

11.9

5star

HB

3.3

2star

M

4.1

4star

T

1.5

2star

MG

359.3

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

2.4

4star

from the Roos, the Tigers lack some key defensive depth after losing David Astbury

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David Astbury

Age

34

Ht

195cm

Wt

96kg

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13.1

3star

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7.9

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5.2

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5.3

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T

1.3

3star

MG

204.2

3star

D

14.8

4star

K

9.8

4star

HB

5.0

3star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.5

2star

MG

230.8

4star

D

8.4

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

and Bachar Houli

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Bachar Houli

Age

37

Ht

180cm

Wt

83kg

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22.4

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K

12.8

5star

HB

9.6

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M

5.4

5star

T

2.5

4star

MG

431.0

5star

D

22.8

5star

K

10.5

4star

HB

12.3

5star

M

6.5

5star

T

2.3

3star

MG

302.8

4star

D

14.0

4star

K

6.6

3star

HB

7.4

5star

M

4.2

4star

T

1.0

3star

to retirement and delisting Ryan Garthwaite

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Ryan Garthwaite

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27

Ht

192cm

Wt

91kg

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9.2

2star

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5.9

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3.3

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M

3.9

4star

T

2.2

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10.0

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6.6

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4.6

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2.2

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. The Tigers conceded a score from 44 per cent of their opposition’s entries this year – ranked 13th in the league.

The ideal draft prospects: If they want an on-baller early, gun inside midfielder Ben Hobbs, who averaged 29.2 disposals and 6.2 clearances from his five full NAB League games this year, would be an ideal pick-up but mightn’t last that long on the open draft board. Knights on-baller Josh Ward could be a chance to slip through to the Tigers’ first pick, while Subiaco’s Neil Erasmus would likely be available. Pick 15 is where the likes of Eastern Ranges’ Tyler Sonsie, Subiaco’s Matthew Johnson, Calder’s Josh Goater and South Adelaide duo Arlo Draper and Matthew Roberts would be in the mix. The Tigers then have three consecutive second-round picks to fill their list. Midfielders like Calder’s Zac Taylor, Falcon Mitchell Knevitt and Sandringham’s Blake Howes would be in the mix, while Swan Districts’ Rhett Bazzo or Central District’s Leek Alleer would be key defender options. Running half-backs to fill the Houli hole that might slip through include Sandringham Dragons’ Campbell Chesser, Northern Knights’ Darcy Wilmot and Murray Bushrangers’ Tom Brown.

Seven clubs are set to load up at the AFL draft. These young stars can fix their big issues

Seven clubs will load up at the AFL draft. These players can fill their gaping holes

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