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List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

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Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker



FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):
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Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more
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GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)
 
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Giant Strides said:
Taking those thoughts in reverse order:
  • I agree that you don't draft to cover an LTI hole, but it's more than that. David & Keeffe are on the decline, and won't be on our list in 1-3 years (and the concern is if it's sooner rather than later). Buckley is fine, but Stein is limited; so unless we are keeping Riccardi to turn into a KPD, I believe we need to recruit a young KPD (whether draft or trade) to develop as a longer term replacement for Davis/Keeffe.
  • I don't disagree with wanting pace and outside run, but the other side to that is who is Leon prepared not to select in the team to insert that? I'm just of the view that with Cumming, Ash, Whitfield & the incoming Fahey, plus Callaghan as a winger if we select him, we've probably got that wing/halfback run/carry (except for covering multiple injuries - but who can do that?). I don't mind looking at someone who can play small/medium forward - with speed and zip, can defend and kick goals would be a worthwhile addition to the squad - but I'm not convinced Clark is that man.
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Kennedy plays plenty of wing so could see Callaghan taking his spot but you’re right we’re quite full in the half back/ wing role with XO and Perryman also involved in the wing rotation. I like Kennedy he’s a solid player but he’s not really a difference maker or someone that’s gonna have a lot of influence over the game, Callaghan really has the potential to take game over inside or out with his kicking and movement skills
 
Cant see the club looking to trade anyone in

Plenty of outside run on the list just most is unproven and inexperienced (Wehr, Angwin, Peatling)

Also the small forward options are extensive with Greene, Daniels, Hill and Lloyd the incumbents with fill ins/back up of Taranto, Bruhn and Stone although if Hutchesson is delisted I can see the club looking at another speedy option, not sure where Will Shaw fits in as I think he needs another 2 years developing but he does seem to be that small speedy forward
 
GWS Goose said:
Also there are rumored attitude issues.

We wont trade for him.
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Last year was the time to achieve it, as part of the Jezza trade (which I really, really wanted!). But we didn't. I understand there's an issue not entirely of his making with finding a spot ... and Cats going out and getting Isaac Smith didn't help him. Isaac Cumming standing out this year largely negates the need for him, plus we have Josh Fahey coming in as an academy kid, and if we draft Finn Callaghan who'll need to start on a wing. I don't believe Fahey is necessarily fast, but apparently has a huge kick.

And we still have Perryman to work out what his best position is.

I can dream of a long-kicking Josh Fahey, speedy Lachie Ash & Isaac Cumming (both pretty good kicks), distributing to Lachie Whitfield & Finn Callaghan on the wings, with Kelly & XOH floating through the midfield for other options.

And that still has Jacob Wehr, Ryan Angwin, James Peatling & Connor Stone as back-up talent; and Tanner Bruhn, Bobby Hill & Binga Daniels with speed up forward.
 
Hendo_21 said:
Kennedy plays plenty of wing so could see Callaghan taking his spot but you’re right we’re quite full in the half back/ wing role with XO and Perryman also involved in the wing rotation. I like Kennedy he’s a solid player but he’s not really a difference maker or someone that’s gonna have a lot of influence over the game, Callaghan really has the potential to take game over inside or out with his kicking and movement skills
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Adam Kennedy has been an unsung hero for GWS - a low key but effective player that plays his role and doesn't take up a massive chunk of the salary cap. But he's just turned 29, will be 30 at the end of next season when his current contract is up, and his time at the club will have an end date in the not-too-distant-future. (Not necessarily next year, but soon.) Wehr or Peatling could take that unsung role-player mantle from him (I do like the way that Peatling goes about his game, and is unlikely to be a high-cost player for us).

If Finn Callaghan does get drafted to us, it may be a slow morph over a few seasons in terms of exactly which role he plays and whose spot in the side he takes. Kenners does tend to get injured every year, so gives opportunity for injury-replacements to have a shot.
 

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Giant Strides said:
It will be interesting to see how Freo rolls in both the Neale and Cerra negotiations. We've seen them in our own McCarthy situation, the Hill trade to Saints, and the Hogan trade from Melbourne - now having both outgoing and potentially incoming trades, it's likely to be a major shitfight.

I suspect we'll see them ask for maximum value for Cerra, and wanting to pay minimal for Neale. (That's probably a Der! kind of statement. :)) It will depend on how malleable Peter Bell will be.

I'm always seen Cerra as a good player with high potential, but he falls short of say the Adam Treloar value based on output to date - the problem being that Freo are bullish on his potential but it's impossible to measure that. Carlton (assuming he get's there) pick #6 plus a second round, and possibly a third or fourth round coming back was where I see Cerra's value. (The respective starting points will be Freo wanting two firsts without splitting #6, and Carlton just pick #6 by itself.)

Neale went with pick #30 for picks #6, #19 & #55, so call it roughly a top 10 and the equivalent of a late second round value, but an early second round useable. The problem with measuring his value is that, while he left Freo with significant potential, that's been tapped at the Lions in the last 3 years (2 x B&F and a Brownlow), but he's now pushing towards age 30 and his number of years left is reducing. Plus, he doesn't actually (IMHO) fir a Freo need, which would be to replace Cerra, not get another inside midfielder. I think something like Freo's pick #8 and #27 (their current picks) with pick #18 (or #14) coming back might be around the mark, but Brisbane would no doubt want the best case scenario of the Carlton picks (#6 & #24).

It will be interesting.



I must admit I am now very torn on what we need to do in the draft, which is dependent on what we can do across both trade and draft periods. After this year, I am more adamant that we need the run that someone like Callaghan can bring. But we also need to get at least one KPD in.

TBH, I have cooled on Clark, given the development of Cumming and Ash, plus Fahey coming in (presuming we want him!). I did want Clark previously, but he's struggled to make an impression at Geelong for a couple of years now (difficult to judge clearly given Cats' penchant for trading/playing ageing stars), and I think he might be superflous to needs if we get him now.
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I think Clark will be traded and most likely to the West.

To me he looks a bit of a lightweight who hasn’t developed particularly well from his junior days when he looked very promising.
 
So PMBangers, in light of some of the discussion in this thread about speed versus KPD, if GWS does select Finn Callaghan with its #2 pick (ignoring bids on Daicos & Darcy), and assuming Josh Gibcus is gone by our own pick, how do you see the current landscape in regards Jye Amiss, Jacob Van Rooyen & Rhett Bazzo after last week's WA v SA U19 game? The two KPDs were awarded the first & second BOGs overall, and Jye Amiss was the fifth I think, but certainly played within himself. There's a lot to play out with trades around Cerra/Neale/Carlton/Brisbane/Freo so difficult to judge which club will have picks and who they might take in between our two selections. However, just in your own view, does the WA v SA game change your perspective on who might fit with our second pick? Of course, another standout from that game was Nas Wanganeen-Milera, who might fit some fans' thoughts around that second pick?
 
Giant Strides said:
So PMBangers, in light of some of the discussion in this thread about speed versus KPD, if GWS does select Finn Callaghan with its #2 pick (ignoring bids on Daicos & Darcy), and assuming Josh Gibcus is gone by our own pick, how do you see the current landscape in regards Jye Amiss, Jacob Van Rooyen & Rhett Bazzo after last week's WA v SA U19 game? The two KPDs were awarded the first & second BOGs overall, and Jye Amiss was the fifth I think, but certainly played within himself. There's a lot to play out with trades around Cerra/Neale/Carlton/Brisbane/Freo so difficult to judge which club will have picks and who they might take in between our two selections. However, just in your own view, does the WA v SA game change your perspective on who might fit with our second pick? Of course, another standout from that game was Nas Wanganeen-Milera, who might fit some fans' thoughts around that second pick?
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Yeah I think I've mentioned if we go Callaghan I wouldn't mind pairing him with NWM, hoping Callaghan develops into more of a rover and NWM can fill the role on the wing, instantly injects some class into our side for the next 15 years. Of the KPP's outside of Darcy, Gibcus and Andrew, Amiss is my clear best of them and is the type of KPF I think we can rely on long term, especially when partnered with guys like Flynn, Briggs, Hogan, I've been more confident on him developing into a number 1 KPF when he peaks, although Mac Andrew is the most likely of the 2 to be available at our second pick. I'm interested in what we do, I'd prefer Bazzo over Van Rooyen due to his athleticism and ball use being better imo and JVR is almost too similar to a Taylor in the backline, and I'm not sure he's got enough tricks for an AFL level KPF, but our second first will probably be higher than Bazzo's top end range, so we could afford to trade back a little bit for him.

I also can't seem to shake the rumour that Horne-Francis may be available at our first pick, there's conflicting reports but I trust the ones saying Horne-Francis isn't Norths guy more atm, so I'm genuinely excited to see what plays out there. Assuming he's Norths guy then my preferred combos would be;

Horne-Francis or Callaghan + Jye Amiss, Mac Andrew or Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera + trade into the 20's for Alleer or Bazzo
or Gibcus + Sonsie, Sinn or Goater (maybe Sam Butler, I do really like him but I wanted to see a couple more games before definitively saying he's a top 15 player)

I'm still really keen on getting an extra first for next year as well, if a team that we see being bottom 10 next year asks for our second first I'd do that in a heartbeat
 
PMBangers said:
Yeah I think I've mentioned if we go Callaghan I wouldn't mind pairing him with NWM, hoping Callaghan develops into more of a rover and NWM can fill the role on the wing, instantly injects some class into our side for the next 15 years. Of the KPP's outside of Darcy, Gibcus and Andrew, Amiss is my clear best of them and is the type of KPF I think we can rely on long term, especially when partnered with guys like Flynn, Briggs, Hogan, I've been more confident on him developing into a number 1 KPF when he peaks, although Mac Andrew is the most likely of the 2 to be available at our second pick. I'm interested in what we do, I'd prefer Bazzo over Van Rooyen due to his athleticism and ball use being better imo and JVR is almost too similar to a Taylor in the backline, and I'm not sure he's got enough tricks for an AFL level KPF, but our second first will probably be higher than Bazzo's top end range, so we could afford to trade back a little bit for him.

I also can't seem to shake the rumour that Horne-Francis may be available at our first pick, there's conflicting reports but I trust the ones saying Horne-Francis isn't Norths guy more atm, so I'm genuinely excited to see what plays out there. Assuming he's Norths guy then my preferred combos would be;

Horne-Francis or Callaghan + Jye Amiss, Mac Andrew or Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera + trade into the 20's for Alleer or Bazzo
or Gibcus + Sonsie, Sinn or Goater (maybe Sam Butler, I do really like him but I wanted to see a couple more games before definitively saying he's a top 15 player)

I'm still really keen on getting an extra first for next year as well, if a team that we see being bottom 10 next year asks for our second first I'd do that in a heartbeat
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Is there a realistic chance that Norths dont go Horne??

Who would they go instead.

In that case Horne is just a dream selection.
 
GWS Goose said:
Is there a realistic chance that Norths dont go Horne??

Who would they go instead.

In that case Horne is just a dream selection.
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Callaghan has Victorian factor as well as fitting a list need better, I trust the source here but have also heard the opposite from other people saying that Horne-Francis is locked in to North, so either way North are playing some excellent chess here to convince different people of different options.
 
PMBangers said:
I also can't seem to shake the rumour that Horne-Francis may be available at our first pick, there's conflicting reports but I trust the ones saying Horne-Francis isn't Norths guy more atm, so I'm genuinely excited to see what plays out there.
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Wow, that would be quite incredible if he wasn't selected by Norths.

In that case, and they take Callaghan instead, you'd expect us to snap up Horne-Francis. Medium forward, good pressure player, can create and kick goals, likely to move into the midfield later on.

PMBangers said:
I'm interested in what we do, I'd prefer Bazzo over Van Rooyen due to his athleticism and ball use being better imo and JVR is almost too similar to a Taylor in the backline, and I'm not sure he's got enough tricks for an AFL level KPF, but our second first will probably be higher than Bazzo's top end range, so we could afford to trade back a little bit for him.
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The only issue with trading backwards in this year's draft is Josh Fahey. You've said previously you'd select him; presumably that hasn't changed, and that impacts us trying to be too cute.

PMBangers said:
I'm still really keen on getting an extra first for next year as well, if a team that we see being bottom 10 next year asks for our second first I'd do that in a heartbeat.
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If we can select Callaghan or Horne-Francis, pick up Fahey, and somehow manufacture a KPD (perhaps by trade, or some swap around up picks later), then I too would be content to push our pick into next year. Obviously the risk is we swap with someone who ascends unexpectedly and it's worth less than this year; however, there's a subjectivity to that around the strength of the draft and the players available next year versus this year.

A very interesting trade and draft coming up!

Thanks as always for your thoughts.
 
Giant Strides said:
The only issue with trading backwards in this year's draft is Josh Fahey. You've said previously you'd select him; presumably that hasn't changed, and that impacts us trying to be too cute.
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Yeah that'd be the only concern, hard to get a read where Fahey is rated in general as well which makes it even harder, it's why I'd just take the hit of next years 2nd rounder (and anything later) to secure a pick at a time we feel is right for Bazzo, it's exciting to think we've got the potential of two high quality defensive inclusions from the draft, it may be worth overpaying for it.

Giant Strides said:
If we can select Callaghan or Horne-Francis, pick up Fahey, and somehow manufacture a KPD (perhaps by trade, or some swap around up picks later), then I too would be content to push our pick into next year. Obviously the risk is we swap with someone who ascends unexpectedly and it's worth less than this year; however, there's a subjectivity to that around the strength of the draft and the players available next year versus this year.
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I think next years first round will be significantly more solid, at least in terms of games played in the draft year, so I'd be ok if the pick ended up around 16 even, but I understand the concern
 
Hawthorn wants to trade 5, 2022r1 for our2,13 this year. Does anybody see merit in that?
I would say the only bonus would our existing players might be happy that their are less first round picks wanting game time next year?
Hawthornes 2022r1 may well provide the best kpf option next year.
 
sydney_gws said:
Hawthorn wants to trade 5, 2022r1 for our2,13 this year. Does anybody see merit in that?
I would say the only bonus would our existing players might be happy that their are less first round picks wanting game time next year?
Hawthornes 2022r1 may well provide the best kpf option next year.
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I'd rather wait for draft night for pick trades to see what's available, but that'd be a net win trade for us
 

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sydney_gws said:
Hawthorn wants to trade 5, 2022r1 for our2,13 this year. Does anybody see merit in that?
I would say the only bonus would our existing players might be happy that their are less first round picks wanting game time next year?
Hawthornes 2022r1 may well provide the best kpf option next year.
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No I wouldn’t do it.
 
PMBangers said:
I think next years first round will be significantly more solid, at least in terms of games played in the draft year, so I'd be ok if the pick ended up around 16 even, but I understand the concern.
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Perhaps a club such as West Coast, might be keen to accelerate their rejuvenation this year, and feel they would improve next year such that a #13 (becoming #15) might turn out OK for them. The risk would be they select a WA kid, which then draws Bazzo into a earlier selection than hoped, although Leek Alleer might be an alternative who's still there if we can swing a second round trade.

PMBangers said:
Hard to get a read where Fahey is rated in general as well which makes it even harder, it's why I'd just take the hit of next years 2nd rounder (and anything later) to secure a pick at a time we feel is right for Bazzo, it's exciting to think we've got the potential of two high quality defensive inclusions from the draft, it may be worth overpaying for it.
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I wonder if Gold Coast might come to play with their #22? They've still got a pretty full list and might not need the selections this year, so happy to swap out into next year. But that would require our second AND third round picks next year, you'd think, if they'd even do it. With an extra first round pick, I could live with that cost, especially as at this stage there doesn't seem to be any standout academy kids on next year's horizon. Of course, there might be other teams with exactly the same idea as us, and we'd need to do it just before that selection to ensure it was worthwhile & avoid being hurt by a Fahey bid that just uses the pick up.
 
Giant Strides said:
especially as at this stage there doesn't seem to be any standout academy kids on next year's horizon
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It's hard to be sure given that most haven't played against meaningful competition, think I gave my list of ones that impressed me through two of their NAB League games in Harry Rowston, Luke Lawrence and Angus Curry, Curry looks the best but is an undersized midfielder so inherently drops down in rankings regardless of skill ala Errol Gulden
 
Would be pretty excited if we walked away from the draft with Callaghan and Amiss (or Williams a bit later) + Fahey. Hogan is great when he plays but it's not good team building to count on him long term without a strong backup plan. I really like Himmelburg as a number 2 forward, he's a great creator for others while chipping in a few goals for himself every game but he goes missing too often as a genuine key target up forward.
 
Hendo_21 said:
Would be pretty excited if we walked away from the draft with Callaghan and Amiss (or Williams a bit later) + Fahey. Hogan is great when he plays but it's not good team building to count on him long term without a strong backup plan. I really like Himmelburg as a number 2 forward, he's a great creator for others while chipping in a few goals for himself every game but he goes missing too often as a genuine key target up forward.
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Yeah, I'd like him too (well, there's plenty I'd like, but there's not enough list spaces for everyone!) but I suspect he'll be off the board by our second.
 

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Hendo_21 said:
What don't you like about him?
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The lack of athleticism and ability to get separation without manhandling his opponent as a forward is the big one. I haven't seen him as a defender, I imagine he'd be ok down there given his marking, especially contested is a strength, but his ball use can be meh at times as well, but that's not massive when you structure around that.
To me, Williams looks best in the ruck, but even then he relies a lot on having contact to push opponents out of it. The advantage is the December birth which has a lot of upside, especially for a 194 cm kid, and from the eye test (over the computer screen) there's plenty of capacity to muscle up and shed some of the baby fat, but then he may lose even more athleticism
 
PMBangers said:
Yeah I think I've mentioned if we go Callaghan I wouldn't mind pairing him with NWM, hoping Callaghan develops into more of a rover and NWM can fill the role on the wing, instantly injects some class into our side for the next 15 years. Of the KPP's outside of Darcy, Gibcus and Andrew, Amiss is my clear best of them and is the type of KPF I think we can rely on long term, especially when partnered with guys like Flynn, Briggs, Hogan, I've been more confident on him developing into a number 1 KPF when he peaks, although Mac Andrew is the most likely of the 2 to be available at our second pick. I'm interested in what we do, I'd prefer Bazzo over Van Rooyen due to his athleticism and ball use being better imo and JVR is almost too similar to a Taylor in the backline, and I'm not sure he's got enough tricks for an AFL level KPF, but our second first will probably be higher than Bazzo's top end range, so we could afford to trade back a little bit for him.

I also can't seem to shake the rumour that Horne-Francis may be available at our first pick, there's conflicting reports but I trust the ones saying Horne-Francis isn't Norths guy more atm, so I'm genuinely excited to see what plays out there. Assuming he's Norths guy then my preferred combos would be;

Horne-Francis or Callaghan + Jye Amiss, Mac Andrew or Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera + trade into the 20's for Alleer or Bazzo
or Gibcus + Sonsie, Sinn or Goater (maybe Sam Butler, I do really like him but I wanted to see a couple more games before definitively saying he's a top 15 player)

I'm still really keen on getting an extra first for next year as well, if a team that we see being bottom 10 next year asks for our second first I'd do that in a heartbeat
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I reckon West Coast will be the team that falls if looking for a future pick.
 

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