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List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

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Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final

Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker



FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

GWS List Summary

Senior List


33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)
 
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Yeah, reading their own board commentary and the main board reminds me of some of our past years (in a bad way!) ... last year in particular! I'm happy this year is quieter, and more positive for us.

I would caution against the assumption that this will be a quiet trade period. We have a plethora of younger players coming off contract next year that will have vic clubs targeting them.

I have a bad feeling about Bruhn and the cats. Not the type of club to let a lack of trade capital deter them from targeting opposition players. Would stitch him up, tell him to walk out on the club and say he is going home and then tell the giants you get what you are given
 

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I would caution against the assumption that this will be a quiet trade period. We have a plethora of younger players coming off contract next year that will have vic clubs targeting them.

I have a bad feeling about Bruhn and the cats. Not the type of club to let a lack of trade capital deter them from targeting opposition players. Would stitch him up, tell him to walk out on the club and say he is going home and then tell the giants you get what you are given
He's contracted, so he'd have to not play for a year to do a walk out. Like Sunshine did. Don't know that he'd do that.

Anyway, I'm hoping for a quieter year - I think I say that most years. The number of uncontracted players and lack of whispers has it shaping that way, but you're right, we'll have to wait and see.

Currently just worried about Flynn.
 
From what I've seen there'd be nothing wrong with rookie listing Driscoll for the year as a 'break glass in case of emergency' option and then going Madden in next years draft, but I agree with your worry of not just Preuss but Flynn as well being injury prone

For me of your young rucks I prefer Flynn. His tap work is a bit stronger and he is a very good contested mark.

He is injury prone but that’s ruckmen and he is a very ordinary kick but I think if you work around his other strengths he can be a valuable tool.

Briggs is also a nice player, but perhaps not as effective at the tap but more a physical presence and better user. He is probably more Mumford in dimensions and I wonder if he can be developed into that real physical evil kind of player that can intimidate or he’s just too nice??

Both are still really young and would be in high demand from other clubs given we have already done most of the heavy lifting and they are ready to go. We probably will lose one of them this year.
 
I would caution against the assumption that this will be a quiet trade period. We have a plethora of younger players coming off contract next year that will have vic clubs targeting them.

I have a bad feeling about Bruhn and the cats. Not the type of club to let a lack of trade capital deter them from targeting opposition players. Would stitch him up, tell him to walk out on the club and say he is going home and then tell the giants you get what you are given

Re Bruhn zero chance, very happy to be getting games and at this stage more likely to extend than leave.
 
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For me of your young rucks I prefer Flynn. His tap work is a bit stronger and he is a very good contested mark.

He is injury prone but that’s ruckmen and he is a very ordinary kick but I think if you work around his other strengths he can be a valuable tool.

Briggs is also a nice player, but perhaps not as effective at the tap but more a physical presence and better user. He is probably more Mumford in dimensions and I wonder if he can be developed into that real physical evil kind of player that can intimidate or he’s just too nice??

Both are still really young and would be in high demand from other clubs given we have already done most of the heavy lifting and they are ready to go. We probably will lose one of them this year.
Interesting you think we lose one. I don’t really agree. Now is their time to take the mantle…. Why would anyone leave when they have their shot ready to take
 
Interesting you think we lose one. I don’t really agree. Now is their time to take the mantle…. Why would anyone leave when they have their shot ready to take
I hope so too. I also think given the possible desperate need to rebuild at Geelong we could become involved. Perhaps trade 16, cogs for Geelong 2022r1.
Or if Flynn wants to leave, add him to the trade above and We get back our 2021r2 ( pick 32). I hope he wants to stay, the issue will be if Flynn and/or Briggs think we might just play Pruess as a lone Ruckman next year ( or if someone offers much better dollars of course)
 
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I hope so too. I also think given the possible desperate need to rebuild at Geelong we could become involved. Perhaps trade 16, cogs for Geelong 2022r1.
Or if flynn wants to leave, add him to the trade above and We get back our 2021r2 ( pick 32).
Dear god that trade is horriffic
 
Dear god that trade is horriffic
It is ok, if Geelong finish 6th we get pick 13, if they say finish outside the 8 we might get pick 8 or so.
It helps our salary cap a lot though, cogs is 29 next year so does make their midfield a bit younger, and allows them to get a young potentially elite midfielder with pick 16.
I guess if Geelong board agrees it is bad, it is actually a fair trade as we benefit salary cap wise ( and potential significant upside if Geelong slide).
It makes their midfield younger and eliter for hopefully the next 2-3 years when Dangerfield, Hawkins are still reasonably good players.
 
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Flynn. His tap work is a bit stronger

Briggs is also a nice player, but perhaps not as effective at the tap

Agree with this. Briggs seems stronger body wise, so good for boundary throw-ins & stoppages. Flynn maybe better centre bounces and Inside 50 marking. SO maybe, play both!
 
I would caution against the assumption that this will be a quiet trade period. We have a plethora of younger players coming off contract next year that will have vic clubs targeting them.

I have a bad feeling about Bruhn and the cats. Not the type of club to let a lack of trade capital deter them from targeting opposition players. Would stitch him up, tell him to walk out on the club and say he is going home and then tell the giants you get what you are given
He is contracted next year and mentioned a few weeks back in was in the process of extending for 2 more years.
 

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We are looking really good for rucks. Flynn and Briggs have shown great promise for the age and experience, and I reckon Preuss will be great.
We need to recruit another mature key defender. Buckley and Keeffe coming back from recos. Phil is cooked. You can’t have just two up and going key defenders on your list (Taylor and Stein). One of both of them get injured and that’s season over…. Too risky.
 
It is ok, if Geelong finish 6th we get pick 13, if they say finish outside the 8 we might get pick 8 or so.
It helps our salary cap a lot though, cogs is 29 next year so does make their midfield a bit younger, and allows them to get a young potentially elite midfielder with pick 16.
I guess if Geelong board agrees it is bad, it is actually a fair trade as we benefit salary cap wise ( and potential significant upside if Geelong slide).
It makes their midfield younger and eliter for hopefully the next 2-3 years when Dangerfield, Hawkins are still reasonably good players.
I see the Geelong board wasn't keen either.

Even though they'd earlier talked about finding an $800k pa midfielder to replace Duckwood.
 
I hope so too. I also think given the possible desperate need to rebuild at Geelong we could become involved. Perhaps trade 16, cogs for Geelong 2022r1.
Or if Flynn wants to leave, add him to the trade above and We get back our 2021r2 ( pick 32). I hope he wants to stay, the issue will be if Flynn and/or Briggs think we might just play Pruess as a lone Ruckman next year ( or if someone offers much better dollars of course)
That's a genuine disaster
 
I see the Geelong board wasn't keen either.

Even though they'd earlier talked about finding an $800k pa midfielder to replace Duckwood.
I will stop suggesting then, I think something needs to change though with free agency. It is good for players to be able to move, but the appeal of getting something for nothing ( and then hopefully another good player for nothing) means unreasonably high salaries are offered to players who are free agents. Hopefully the academy means we have players not as keen to move to Melbourne as free agents, although it is their right to do so.
 
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I will

I will stop suggesting then, I think something needs to change though with free agency. It is good for players to be able to move, but the appeal of getting something for nothing ( and then hopefully another good player for nothing) means unreasonably high salaries are offered to players who are free agents. Hopefully the academy means we have players not as keen to move to Melbourne as free agents, although it is their right to do so.
Nothing wrong with suggesting mate. Be a dull board otherwise with nothing to discuss.
 

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It is ok, if Geelong finish 6th we get pick 13, if they say finish outside the 8 we might get pick 8 or so.
It helps our salary cap a lot though, cogs is 29 next year so does make their midfield a bit younger, and allows them to get a young potentially elite midfielder with pick 16.
I guess if Geelong board agrees it is bad, it is actually a fair trade as we benefit salary cap wise ( and potential significant upside if Geelong slide).
It makes their midfield younger and eliter for hopefully the next 2-3 years when Dangerfield, Hawkins are still reasonably good players.
I’m someone who has floated the idea of trading cogs

But that trade makes us an embarrassment
 
I will stop suggesting then, I think something needs to change though with free agency. It is good for players to be able to move, but the appeal of getting something for nothing ( and then hopefully another good player for nothing) means unreasonably high salaries are offered to players who are free agents. Hopefully the academy means we have players not as keen to move to Melbourne as free agents, although it is their right to do so.
I see your point around free agency

I guess the positive is that everyone is under the same cap
 
Anyone know what kpd (mature) might be available… and don’t say Talia!
Also, should Keeffe be about right to return by round 1?
Keefe probably won't given he was injured in around May (?) and would need at least 8-12 months for an ACL. Even if he was on the quicker end of that timeframe, he'd still miss at the very least most of the pre-season.
 

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