List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

Hendo_21 · Sep 30, 2021

General Giant said:

Would've been nice to hear him really stamp out any of the Cogs trade speculation and say that they have no interest in trading him but apart from that not a lot to note from the interview, good to hear Flynn and Riccardi contracts don't seem to far away. Was weird that Tom Green got brought up at the start, thought that was a bit odd.

Colonial · Sep 30, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Would've been nice to hear him really stamp out any of the Cogs trade speculation and say that they have no interest in trading him but apart from that not a lot to note from the interview, good to hear Flynn and Riccardi contracts don't seem to far away. Was weird that Tom Green got brought up at the start, thought that was a bit odd.

He is supposed to be at Richmond damn it

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

General Giant said:
He is supposed to be at Richmond damn it

Yep, they just cannot help themselves trying to pick apart GWS' list to go to ''real AFL clubs''.

They love Gold Coast because they get rogered so often (and us when we do, like last year).

Andre the Giant · Sep 30, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Would've been nice to hear him really stamp out any of the Cogs trade speculation and say that they have no interest in trading him but apart from that not a lot to note from the interview, good to hear Flynn and Riccardi contracts don't seem to far away. Was weird that Tom Green got brought up at the start, thought that was a bit odd.

The Tom Green question is off the back of constant chatter from fans plus the fact most people think we have too much of the same in terms of him Ward, Taranto and Hopper. There is no basis for it in terms of him, he is very happy and is signed up for the next two years.

McCarthy did leave open the possibility of a trade back to 5 or 6 but did quantify it would have to be a very very good deal. This means it would need to be an extra first rounder I suspect. Maybe if Freo offered their two early picks as a swap (something along those lines).

Adelaide and Essendon are keen to trade up, hopefully if we do talk to either of them we remember how difficult they were to deal with last year and how both clubs have fleeced us previously with Hately and Caldwell. Richmond also keen but I don’t think they have what we want.

I would just keep Pick 2 and if anything monitor the draft and if a player we like is still there package up 13 and a future pick to move up.

Colonial · Sep 30, 2021

Any interest?

Hendo_21 · Sep 30, 2021

General Giant said:
Any interest?

Hartley and Talia would be good guys to have next to Taylor short term while buckley and keefe recover from injury. Can either be good depth once those guys come back healthy or can start ahead of them and allow them to develop in the background.

GWS Goose · Sep 30, 2021

General Giant said:
Any interest?

I thought Houli retired??
i think if Talia was willing to come to be a fringe player and paid accordiingly he could be the short term solution for our short term problem for tall defenders.

PMBangers · Sep 30, 2021

Most interesting part of McCartney chat is the fact we'll likely only be able to make 3 list additions (4 if Dorsal leaves), so Pick 2, 13 and Fahey, probably means we don't have to worry so much about later prospects, although I'm still not opposed to trading 13 into next year

Orange crush · Sep 30, 2021

GWS Goose said:
I thought Houli retired??
i think if Talia was willing to come to be a fringe player and paid accordiingly he could be the short term solution for our short term problem for tall defenders.

I think talia’ is a good get if fit, but Hartley probably provides more solid coverage as he is less injury prone

Orange crush · Sep 30, 2021

PMBangers said:
Most interesting part of McCartney chat is the fact we'll likely only be able to make 3 list additions (4 if Dorsal leaves), so Pick 2, 13 and Fahey, probably means we don't have to worry so much about later prospects, although I'm still not opposed to trading 13 into next year

Finn, ?? and Fahey to replace the 3-4 players cut .... really improves our list going forward

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
McCarthy did leave open the possibility of a trade back to 5 or 6 but did quantify it would have to be a very very good deal. This means it would need to be an extra first rounder I suspect. Maybe if Freo offered their two early picks as a swap (something along those lines).

Adelaide and Essendon are keen to trade up, hopefully if we do talk to either of them we remember how difficult they were to deal with last year and how both clubs have fleeced us previously with Hately and Caldwell. Richmond also keen but I don’t think they have what we want.

I would just keep Pick 2 and if anything monitor the draft and if a player we like is still there package up 13 and a future pick to move up.

Yes, I'd prefer to play around with #13. However, if we are thinking about taking Mac Andrew, while there's a risk aspect to trading backwards (from the club's perspective, if they really want him, they won't want to trade backwards then miss him), it could bring something extra. I'd doubt that Gold Coast take Andrew - too similar to Chol, surely, and more likely IMHO to take a KPD that they need long term. Adelaide surely take a midfielder. I probably wouldn't want to swap with Richmond, it's starting to get a bit far back, and depends on whether you trust them. But Hawthorn might be OK - surely they'd take Callaghan - and if we could swap #2 for #5 and their first next year, that could be a bonus. That would be #5 (Mac Andrew - KPF, secondary ruck - long term investment), #13 - take the best of the remaining midfielders (should be enough to choose from: Sinn, Sonsie, Chesser, Goater, Knevitt, Taylor to name a few), match the bid for Fahey plus a first rounder next year. I could live with that.

Orange crush · Sep 30, 2021

Feeling a bit nervous that Sonny Weaver might take Mac(K) ahead of Callaghan again this year ... reassure me, Mr Bangers

Hendo_21 · Sep 30, 2021

Giant Strides said:
Yes, I'd prefer to play around with #13. However, if we are thinking about taking Mac Andrew, while there's a risk aspect to trading backwards (from the club's perspective, if they really want him, they won't want to trade backwards then miss him), it could bring something extra. I'd doubt that Gold Coast take Andrew - too similar to Chol, surely, and more likely IMHO to take a KPD that they need long term. Adelaide surely take a midfielder. I probably wouldn't want to swap with Richmond, it's starting to get a bit far back, and depends on whether you trust them. But Hawthorn might be OK - surely they'd take Callaghan - and if we could swap #2 for #5 and their first next year, that could be a bonus. That would be #5 (Mac Andrew - KPF, secondary ruck - long term investment), #13 - take the best of the remaining midfielders (should be enough to choose from: Sinn, Sonsie, Chesser, Goater, Knevitt, Taylor to name a few), match the bid for Fahey plus a first rounder next year. I could live with that.

McCarthy made it clear that it’s going to take an overwhelming offer in order to get them to trade down even just a few spots. That likely means that the player they are most interested in won’t be available if they trade down, unless AFL clubs are valuing Mac a fair bit higher then the general media consensus (possible) then the player they risk losing out on if they trade back is Callaghan. Hopefully they’re not overconfident in their evaluation of Mac if they’re interested and realise they can likely get him by trading down 2-3 spots, because everything we’ve heard is that Mac sits closer to the group of prospects ranked 6-10 rather then those in the 1-4 bracket.

PMBangers · Sep 30, 2021

Orange crush said:
Feeling a bit nervous that Sonny Weaver might take Mac(K) ahead of Callaghan again this year ... reassure me, Mr Bangers

I wish I knew, I'm just excited to see what we do with Pick 2/4, last Pick 2 was TT and last Pick 4 was Ash, reckon we've effectively nailed those picks so I trust the player we end up taking this year will be the right choice in the long run

Orange crush · Sep 30, 2021

PMBangers said:
I wish I knew, I'm just excited to see what we do with Pick 2/4, last Pick 2 was TT and last Pick 4 was Ash, reckon we've effectively nailed those picks so I trust the player we end up taking this year will be the right choice in the long run

Good point .... Just feel nervous when high picks are getting harder for us to get our hands on

Hendo_21 · Sep 30, 2021

PMBangers said:
I wish I knew, I'm just excited to see what we do with Pick 2/4, last Pick 2 was TT and last Pick 4 was Ash, reckon we've effectively nailed those picks so I trust the player we end up taking this year will be the right choice in the long run

I’d expect us to select Darcy first and then force the dogs to match if he’s still available and then hopefully pick Callaghan.

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

We have reached in the past - and fallen flat. Pickett, Ahern, Marchbank, Bonar, Hately to name a few. Not all Caruso I acknowledge.

Danny88 · Sep 30, 2021

Mccarthy also said our cap was tight again. To me that means our intent this trade period will be to remain stable and go to the draft.

However, Im open to a more radical plan. I think our natural position next year should be finishing 4-6. But we need to make a decision on whether or not we are gearing up for a tilt in the next few years or not. I think we are left with 2 options:

Option A: continue with the slow burn we are establishing by playing young players and in 2 or so years we will contend again.
Option B: Take some risks to contend FOR the next two years rather than in two years

If we explore A, then we stay stable this trade period, we might target a longer term prospect like Mac A, but the pressure is off and we remain quiet.

If we are exploring B, then we need to also use the trade period to get better. I think the middle of the ground is solid and there is healthy competition for spots. I see our needs as another forward, a small forward and a Key back. I would target Tahlia to fill the key back roll in the trade period and I would look at trying to bring in Gunston as another key target up forward. Draft wise, Callaghan at pick 2 could have an immediate impact and I would move up the draft to target Rachele as the small forward.

To be honest, Option A seems more likely. But doesn't option B sound enticing? Option B might not be possible without tipping out Finlayson and someone else

bossman111 · Sep 30, 2021

Lloyd's first question on Tom Green was a joke. Isn't he the one that is constantly pumping up Ben King to leave the Gold Coast?

Too often he talks about expansion clubs in an insulting fashion. VFL flog

Hendo_21 · Sep 30, 2021

Giant Strides said:
We have reached in the past - and fallen flat. Pickett, Ahern, Marchbank, Bonar, Hately to name a few. Not all Caruso I acknowledge.

Angwin was considered a reach as well by most, excited to see if he can fill the wing spot this year.

Andre the Giant · Sep 30, 2021

PMBangers said:
I wish I knew, I'm just excited to see what we do with Pick 2/4, last Pick 2 was TT and last Pick 4 was Ash, reckon we've effectively nailed those picks so I trust the player we end up taking this year will be the right choice in the long run

It is funny is a sick way that we have so often ended up one pick away from the player we really wanted.

In the Taranto year we really wanted McGrath, in the Hately year we wanted Butters, in the Ash year our main guy was Jackson. I think we also missed Willie Rioli by a pick (ended up being to our benefit!)

This year I am certain our main guy would be Horne-Francis and once again we will be pipped by a selection.

McCarthy did mention the hybrid tall forward which is effectively what Mac Andrew is, he’s very much the Luke Jackson type but he doesn’t have the same skill level at this stage.

I personally believe if we don’t move we should take the best available which is Callaghan. If we move back for value then it opens up with Andrew or Gibcus.

Andre the Giant · Sep 30, 2021

Giant Strides said:
We have reached in the past - and fallen flat. Pickett, Ahern, Marchbank, Bonar, Hately to name a few. Not all Caruso I acknowledge.

The two worst reaches were O’Rouke and Plowman over Grundy and Wines. In fairness Toumpas was heavily touted in that year and he was huge bust. I will never ever forgive Silvagni for not taking Grundy, that was criminal.

Hendo_21 · Sep 30, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
It is funny is a sick way that we have so often ended up one pick away from the player we really wanted.

In the Taranto year we really wanted McGrath, in the Hately year we wanted Butters, in the Ash year our main guy was Jackson. I think we also missed Willie Rioli by a pick (ended up being to our benefit!)

This year I am certain our main guy would be Horne-Francis and once again we will be pipped by a selection.

McCarthy did mention the hybrid tall forward which is effectively what Mac Andrew is, he’s very much the Luke Jackson type but he doesn’t have the same skill level at this stage.

I personally believe if we don’t move we should take the best available which is Callaghan. If we move back for value then it opens up with Andrew or Gibcus.

Butters would've been such a perfect fit shame we missed him

Orange crush · Sep 30, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
The two worst reaches were O’Rouke and Plowman over Grundy and Wines. In fairness Toumpas was heavily touted in that year and he was huge bust. I will never ever forgive Silvagni for not taking Grundy, that was criminal.

SOS really was terrible ... and he doubled down at the Blues

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
The two worst reaches were O’Rouke and Plowman over Grundy and Wines. In fairness Toumpas was heavily touted in that year and he was huge bust. I will never ever forgive Silvagni for not taking Grundy, that was criminal.

I agree, but didn't go quite that far back for my examples.

We could have taken Butters in 2018 - at #11 instead of Caldwell. I also liked Duursma, whom we could have taken in lieu of Hately. Missed opportunities.

This is a decent summary (I think) of McCartney's comments:

AFL trade news: Giants claim quiet on Coniglio front

GWS have put paid to speculation the midfielder is set for a return home.

www.zerohanger.com

Despite several media members suggesting that a move back to Western Australia would benefit GWS captain Stephen Coniglio, the Giants' general manager of football operations Jason McCartney has claimed that no offers have arisen. Still, when speaking to AFL Trade Radio, McCartney revealed that no advances had come from Cornes' preferred landing spot for the embattled skipper. “Fremantle haven’t asked the question," the former Magpie, Crow and Kangaroo said. "I’ve spoken with nearly all the clubs – and these early chats, it’s pretty much line and length to be honest, everything tends to heat up when it starts Monday and through next week – but it’s not something we’ve discussed, it’s not something another club’s discussed with us." Though further criticism of Coniglio's captaincy has come from Nick Dal Santo of late, McCartney was "comfortable" with how every member of the Giants' seven-man leadership group had performed across a season that saw a return to the finals. The footy boss also suggested that external commentary on Coniglio's leadership was unwarranted, as those outside of the club's four walls were not privy to the former pick two's ability to work with the list's youth.

While fellow Giant Jeremy Finlayson has reportedly been exploring a trade to Port Adelaide, McCartney stated that he was doing so with the club's permission. Though the 66-game forward has reportedly cited family reasons for his desire to shift south-west, the man who would oversee his potential exit remained unsure "how genuine the Port interest is" in the 25-year-old. Further to this, McCartney's counterpart at Alberton, Chris Davies, suggested that Finalyson's signature wasn't a "priority" for the back-to-back preliminary finalists.

McCartney also clarified that former skipper Phil Davis "has a contract" for next season (as a result of delaying $ from the COVID-affected 2020 season) and that Jake Riccardi and Matt Flynn would remain with the club for "another couple of years." Rookies Zach Sproule and Jake Stein are also set to remain on in the same capacity with a pair of one-year deals.

So, the only one not mentioned there is Daniel lloyd?

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