List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

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Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker



FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):
www.bigfooty.com

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more
www.bigfooty.com www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)
 
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Honest assessment with three days to go….our 2022 list is actually worse than when we finished 2021.

If we go to the draft and pick up Mac, we aren’t better in 2022 …. He will be a 2024 player by all accounts. And this trade period looks like we are moving out talent and bringing in potatoes like Lobb

I’m hopeful we get something in the next few days to improve the 2022 list but it’s not looking great
 
Danny88 said:
Honest assessment with three days to go….our 2022 list is actually worse than when we finished 2021.

If we go to the draft and pick up Mac, we aren’t better in 2022 …. He will be a 2024 player by all accounts. And this trade period looks like we are moving out talent and bringing in potatoes like Lobb

I’m hopeful we get something in the next few days to improve the 2022 list but it’s not looking great
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Is it though? Another year of development into those kids we are so happy about. Players that seemed to have something on Leon to get a go over these said kids are now gone.

And a great draft hand.

Definitely think we are better, by how much we shall see.
Of course if our stars all ask for a trade in the next few days then this post is irrelevant.
 

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General Giant said:
Is it though? Another year of development into those kids we are so happy about. Players that seemed to have something on Leon to get a go over these said kids are now gone.

And a great draft hand.

Definitely think we are better, by how much we shall see.
Of course if our stars all ask for a trade in the next few days then this post is irrelevant.
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Will you pick Finn Callaghan do you think at pick 2, or trade down to 5 or so and get Mac Andrew?
 
Cameron_Jezza said:
Will you pick Finn Callaghan do you think at pick 2, or trade down to 5 or so and get Mac Andrew?
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I would hope to pick Finn if he is best available, hopefully he is happy and suited to being a half-forward flanker for his first couple of years.
If not, trade down with hawthorn ( 2 for 5,21) or some better deal if available with Adelaide,Richmond,or Freo.
If got 21, trade down to get points for Fahey, maybe 21 for 28, richmond2022r2.
 
Cameron_Jezza said:
Will you pick Finn Callaghan do you think at pick 2, or trade down to 5 or so and get Mac Andrew?
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Seems like Adelaide and Hawthorn are both keen on Callaghan according to Rendell (this seems actually correct).

Adelaide brought in that extra future 1st rounder from Melbourne to try to get Pick 1 which hasn’t got them Horne-Francis so depending on what they do re the young Swans kid might be attractive to us. Hawthorn might also be able to do something on a future pick.

We are sitting back smoking a pipe to see who offers the most. In a perfect world if we could get two high picks together it would be ideal as we would probably get 2 of the 3 guys we really like.

I can see us waiting to see what happens and maybe doing something the week before the draft so we really know where the players will land and ensure we don’t miss our targets.
 
General Giant said:
Is it though? Another year of development into those kids we are so happy about. Players that seemed to have something on Leon to get a go over these said kids are now gone.

And a great draft hand.

Definitely think we are better, by how much we shall see.
Of course if our stars all ask for a trade in the next few days then this post is irrelevant.
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Yeah but history tells us contenders make their team better within AND from outside

I want us doing both
 
General Giant said:
Is it though? Another year of development into those kids we are so happy about. Players that seemed to have something on Leon to get a go over these said kids are now gone.

And a great draft hand.

Definitely think we are better, by how much we shall see.
Of course if our stars all ask for a trade in the next few days then this post is irrelevant.
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Hopefully the combined games for Greene,Hogan increases considerably this year.
 
Danny88 said:
Yeah but history tells us contenders make their team better within AND from outside

I want us doing both
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So who would you get from outside to make the team better next year? With Finlayson moving on, and if Bobby goes, there are a couple of spots open that were unexpected. Lobb is obviously asking to be someone, although I'm not convinced he does improve us. Who would you get?
 
Andre the Giant said:
Seems like Adelaide and Hawthorn are both keen on Callaghan according to Rendell (this seems actually correct).

Adelaide brought in that extra future 1st rounder from Melbourne to try to get Pick 1 which hasn’t got them Horne-Francis so depending on what they do re the young Swans kid might be attractive to us. Hawthorn might also be able to do something on a future pick.

We are sitting back smoking a pipe to see who offers the most. In a perfect world if we could get two high picks together it would be ideal as we would probably get 2 of the 3 guys we really like.

I can see us waiting to see what happens and maybe doing something the week before the draft so we really know where the players will land and ensure we don’t miss our targets.
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Rendell is a flog. So is his son who plays for St Kilda City.

Just because he is a mouthpiece it does’nt mean it’s right.
 
So given how keen we were with Zach Reid last year should we be making this our focus if Hill is to find his wAT
Giant Strides said:
Apparently Bombers are favourites at this point.

FMD. Having to deal with that ******* Dodo and his perpetual undervaluing of opposition players. fu**. Hopefully Bobby rejects him and goes to a more compliant club.
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If thats the case maybe we should be targeting Zach Reid given how keen we were on him in last years draft.
 

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How’s this for a major flop from our drafting staff. In 2018 widely regarded the best draft for a very very long time we took 4 picks inside the top 24.
#11 - Jye Caldwell
#14 - Jackson Hately
#22 - Xavier O’Halloran
#24 - Bobby Hill

We lost Caldwell to the Bombers for essentially a second round pick. fail

We lost Hately to the Crows for nothing one massive fail!

XO still on our list and I see him being a solid 200 game player

About to lose Hill…….

Very disappointing! This is why I think our strategy should be to trade into the future. What is the point of picking up a stack of young talent every year when:

A: they don’t get a game because they are behind a group of talented players in their prime and then leave because they are seeking more opportunities?
AND
B: we trade them out for less in the future?

This year we should take who ever we think we NEED only! Try and get into next years draft when some of our stars are a year older and re-assess. Plus next year who knows the VIC juniors might actually get to play some football so we can have a better read on the draft.
Also having first round draft picks next year will be at a premium as Vic clubs come hard for Ben King.

For me it is not about having the most talent on your entire list it is about having the best team for the 22 that play on the weekend.

Sick of losing players for nothing.

As harsh as it seems the club needs to say sorry Bobby WE are telling you where you are playing next year in Victoria. Thanks for your service. We will get the best deal and then let you know. I think the club may have turned the corner with playing hardball as showcased by the Jeremy Cameron deal last year.




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Danny88 said:
Honest assessment with three days to go….our 2022 list is actually worse than when we finished 2021.

If we go to the draft and pick up Mac, we aren’t better in 2022 …. He will be a 2024 player by all accounts. And this trade period looks like we are moving out talent and bringing in potatoes like Lobb

I’m hopeful we get something in the next few days to improve the 2022 list but it’s not looking great
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Really don’t think this team is worse then 2021 only players of note leaving are Bobby and Finlayson. Finlayson was in and out of the side even when playing this year and although Bobby has great potential he wasn’t a really effective player this year. So many players are in the age bracket where they still have room to develop so I think the internal development will outweigh the relatively small loss that was Bobby and Finlayson plus hopefully our captain should be back to playing his best with the injuries behind him.
 
Giant Strides said:
So who would you get from outside to make the team better next year? With Finlayson moving on, and if Bobby goes, there are a couple of spots open that were unexpected. Lobb is obviously asking to be someone, although I'm not convinced he does improve us. Who would you get?
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I’m really not a fan of Lobb. To be honest I would look at the hawks. We need more forward threats imo and wingard and gunston are both gettable. I’d be open to splitting pick 2, we could still get Mac and then give the other first rounder to get one of them in
 
Hendo_21 said:
Really don’t think this team is worse then 2021 only players of note leaving are Bobby and Finlayson. Finlayson was in and out of the side even when playing this year and although Bobby has great potential he wasn’t a really effective player this year. So many players are in the age bracket where they still have room to develop so I think the internal development will outweigh the relatively small loss that was Bobby and Finlayson plus hopefully our captain should be back to playing his best with the injuries behind him.
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My point is that most teams that are contending are growing their own talent AND trading the missing pieces in

I’m not not disputing the talent already there or the room for further improvement
 
Danny88 said:
My point is that most teams that are contending are growing their own talent AND trading the missing pieces in
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I'm certain there will be more deals, but of the 2021 Top 8 you've got;
Melbourne adding Luke Dunstan, Port Adelaide adding Jeremy Finlayson, Western Bulldogs adding Tim O'Brien and Essendon adding Jake Kelly, I don't think any of those guys immediately improve their teams, maybe Kelly for Essendon, but outside of that we're still in for the same amount of improvement from within as the other Top 8 sides imo.
The biggest worry comes from Carlton, Fremantle and Richmond improving and getting into the 8 of course which I'll admit I'm a bit concerned about, I don't think Lobb actually improves us all that much if we do get him either
 
Danny88 said:
I’m really not a fan of Lobb. To be honest I would look at the hawks. We need more forward threats imo and wingard and gunston are both gettable. I’d be open to splitting pick 2, we could still get Mac and then give the other first rounder to get one of them in
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Cheers. I'm not a fan of Wingard because I think he's well overrated, but perhaps he'd do better in our environment. Gunston I'm not huge on, mainly due to age/injury issues (I was not a fan when we took on Deledio too), but he's better than Lobb in terms of actually being a proven performer in the forward line, which we could do with.

For GWS, bringing in outside players is a fine line, given the vast array of drafted talent that we're trying to pay and fit into the team list each week. I agree with the idea, but to me, it needs to be a rare event (not every year) and precisely targeted to our needs. And we still need to get players excited to come here.
 
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