List Mgmt. 2021 List Management: Academy, Contracts, Trading & Draft

Giant Strides · Sep 30, 2021

Some more trade and draft resources. Courtesy of Lore.

Key Off-Season Dates
This is a comprehensive list including dates for draft combines, list lodgements, delisted free agency windows and return to train dates. I had to collate these from three different club websites because the AFL is lazy af and doesn't have it on their website, so thought it might be helpful to share:

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

AFL TRADE, DRAFT AND FREE AGENCY DATES 2021

Grand Final
Saturday September 25

Draft Combine – Vic Country
Friday October 1

Restricted and Unrestricted Free Agency Window
Friday October 1 – Friday October 8

Delisted Free Agency Window 1
Wednesday October 3 - Friday October 15

Trade Period (picks and players)
Monday October 4 (9am) – Wednesday October 13 (7.30pm)

Draft Combines (States and Regions)
VM: Saturday October 9 (tbc)
Qld: Sunday October 10
Tas: Monday October 11
SA: Saturday October 16
WA: Sunday October 17
NSW & ACT: tbc
NT: will join SA or Qld

Trade Period (picks only)
Monday October 18 – Monday November 15

List Lodgement 1
Friday October 29

Delisted Free Agency Window 2
Wednesday November 3 – Tuesday November 9

List Lodgement 2 (Final date for primary list delistings)
Wednesday November 10

Delisted Free Agency Window 3
Thursday November 11 – Monday November 15

AFL Pre-Season Commences (First to fourth year players)
Monday November 22

National Draft
Round 1: Wednesday November 24 (7pm)
Round 2–end: Thursday November 25 (7pm)

Preseason and Rookie Drafts
Friday November 26 (3.20pm)

Final List Lodgement
Monday November 29

Pre-Season Commences (All other players)
Monday December 6

Pre-Season Supplemental Selection Period (SSP)
December - March (tbc)

Pre-Season Christmas Break
Sunday December 19 - Sunday January 9

Draft Order & Future Pick Tracker

FAQs & Resources Thread

It has an index at the top with threadmarks so it's easy to find what you're looking for – or easier than scrolling through 250 pages of AFL Rules, Regulations and CBA pdfs anyway.

These sorts of questions are all answered along with a bunch of other resources made by posters from across BigFooty (feel free to add to it!):

Resource - FAQs: Rules, Regulations and Resources for Player Movements in the AFL

List sizes Club age and height profiles Salary cap information Trading rules including salary dumps Father/son & academy draft bids Free agency compensation formula & more

www.bigfooty.com

GWS List Summary

Senior List

33: 36 less delisted Shipley & Hutchesson, delisted Wehr (to be reselected in rookie draft), traded Finlayson, plus DFA signing of Brander. 3 to 5 spots available at ND.

1 Phil Davis - 2022
2 Jacob Hopper - 2023
3 Stephen Coniglio - 2026
4 Toby Greene - 2026
5 Tanner Bruhn - 2022
6 Lachie Whitfield - 2027
7 Lachlan Ash - 2023
8 Callan Ward - 2022
9 Ryan Angwin - 2022
10 Jacob Wehr - 2022 [delisted with an agreement to select in the rookie draft]
11 Brayden Preuss - 2023
12 Tom Green - 2023
13 Isaac Cumming - 2022
14 Tim Taranto - 2022
15 Sam Taylor - 2025
16 Brent Daniels - 2025
18 Conor Stone - 2024
19 Nick Haynes - 2024
22 Josh Kelly - 2029
23 Jesse Hogan - 2022
24 Matthew De Boer - 2022
25 Lachlan Keeffe - 2022
26 Jake Riccardi - 2023
27 Harry Himmelberg - 2023
29 Cam Fleeton - 2022
30 Matt Flynn - 2023
32 Kieran Briggs - 2022
33 Xavier O'Halloran - 2022
36 Harry Perryman - 2022
37 Ian Hill - 2022
39 Connor Idun - 2022
40 Adam Kennedy - 2022
44 Jack Buckley - 2022

+ Jarrod Brander - 2022 (selected in first DFA window)

Rookie List - A

4: 7 less delisted Reid & Buntine, retired Shane Mumford. 0 to 2 spots available for rookie draft.

28 Zach Sproule - 2022
38 Daniel Lloyd - 2022
42 Jake Stein - 2022
45 James Peatling - 2022

Rookie List - B

2: full

35 Will Shaw - 2022
46 Callum M Brown - 2022 (Irish international rookie, extended 1 year under COVID rules)

Danny88 · Oct 9, 2021

Giant Strides said:
The stars-in-waiting that we have in Bruhn & Stone with the option of playing someone like Perryman or Callum Brown forward probably gives us the option to take a DFA such as Gibbons or JT to act as backup, although I already wanted to draft a small forward so even more so now would want to aim for a quality draftee to develop.

Gibbons was GWS Academy from Lavington, at the same time as Zac Williams & Joe Redfern. I'd be OK with bringing him in on a lifeline.

Gibbons is easily afl level

He should stay in the system. I would absolutely take him

Andre the Giant · Oct 9, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
6 clubs is handy should be able to get a good deal if even half of them are serious about going after him. As long as Bobby doesn't nominate a club and just maintains he want to go to Victoria we should do alright.

He’s initiating the move and under contract. We hold the whip hand. Competition is great.

captainMyCaptain · Oct 9, 2021

Colonial · Oct 9, 2021

captainMyCaptain said:

Except for McCarthy they never have a bad word to say on the way out or even in the future. Yet they still leave.

Land of the Giants · Oct 9, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
At his best he’s a good player but he does still fade in and out of games.

Spot on description of Hill.

He's not consistent, which is one of our playing group's biggest problems.

And if he wants out, it's a no-brainer to move him on.

Cameron_Jezza · Oct 9, 2021

What do you guys think of Lobb coming back?
What sort of pick would be involved?
Lobb and 19 for 13?
Also it is a shame about Toby.
I think 4 weeks would be long enough, 6 is excessive.

Maximus 2011 · Oct 9, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
6 clubs is handy should be able to get a good deal if even half of them are serious about going after him. As long as Bobby doesn't nominate a club and just maintains he want to go to Victoria we should do alright.

ohhh I like the sound of a 'knockout offer'! Get the lad to the Roos please!

Hendo_21 · Oct 9, 2021

Maximus 2011 said:
ohhh I like the sound of a 'knockout offer'! Get the lad to the Roos please!

Smells like pick 1

Maximus 2011 · Oct 9, 2021

Cameron_Jezza said:
What do you guys think of Lobb coming back?
What sort of pick would be involved?
Lobb and 19 for 13?
Also it is a shame about Toby.
I think 4 weeks would be long enough, 6 is excessive.

I think we are mad if we offer anything better than a 3rd rounder

Maximus 2011 · Oct 9, 2021

Hendo_21 said:
Smells like pick 1

oh come on mate it won't be pick 1.... maybe future 1st from North?

haha

Giant Strides · Oct 9, 2021

Cameron_Jezza said:
What do you guys think of Lobb coming back?
What sort of pick would be involved?
Lobb and 19 for 13?
Also it is a shame about Toby.
I think 4 weeks would be long enough, 6 is excessive.

I think there's a split as to whether we think he's worth it or not. Personally, I don't think he's a solution to either our KPF or second ruck issues - I'd prefer to give Riccardi and Flynn and Briggs the opportunity; especially as Lobb is 29 and hence has only a limited career left, plus is often injured.

I certainly wouldn't involve any of our first round picks for him - definitely not worth impacting those. When he went to Freo, it was essentially a late first rounder with 2 x third round picks coming back - the value being an early third rounder. Three years and lots of injuries later, and with really limited career left, he's not more than a third rounder for mine. If that doesn't satisfy Peter Bell, well then I wouldn't do the trade. He's not a huge need, we shouldn't have promised him anything - this seems more a Colin Young salary maximisation gambit.

Maximus 2011 · Oct 9, 2021

General Giant said:
Except for McCarthy they never have a bad word to say on the way out or even in the future. Yet they still leave.

Big fella, you're going to have to change your display picture...

Giant Strides · Oct 9, 2021

Maximus 2011 said:
Big fella, you're going to have to change your display picture...

Hmmm, he's a bit of an albatross isn't he?

Colonial · Oct 9, 2021

Maximus 2011 said:
Big fella, you're going to have to change your display picture...

Hmmmm

Giant Strides said:
Hmmm, he's a bit of an albatross isn't he?

harsh but fair.

Giant Strides · Oct 9, 2021

General Giant said:
Hmmmm

harsh but fair.

Maybe put Leon as your avatar?

Colonial · Oct 9, 2021

Giant Strides said:
Maybe put Leon as your avatar?

If we start the season 0-3 again

Giant Strides · Oct 9, 2021

Apparently Bombers are favourites at this point.

FMD. Having to deal with that ****wit Dodo and his perpetual undervaluing of opposition players. ****. Hopefully Bobby rejects him and goes to a more compliant club.

Giant Strides · Oct 9, 2021

General Giant said:
If we start the season 0-3 again

Kudos for the temporary one!

Colonial · Oct 9, 2021

Giant Strides said:
Apparently Bombers are favourites at this point.

FMD. Having to deal with that ******* Dodo and his perpetual undervaluing of opposition players. fu**. Hopefully Bobby rejects him and goes to a more compliant club.

He has no power in this one though. They aren’t at the bottom, Hill is still contracted. So much better than the Caldwell situation.

Colonial · Oct 9, 2021

Giant Strides said:
Kudos for the temporary one!

No point jumping the gun

Giant Strides · Oct 9, 2021

General Giant said:
He has no power in this one though. They aren’t at the bottom, Hill is still contracted. So much better than the Caldwell situation.

I agree, but he'd still make it painful. He'd play on the compassionate grounds and tell us we'd need to take less than he's worth to get him to Melbourne. Hopefully Bobby or his management ask what they're prepared to pay the Giants for him and use that info accordingly. Just can't see Bobby wants to screw us over.

GWS Goose · Oct 9, 2021

Pres said:
He played 15 (horrendous) games in 2019.

Horrendous?
Way off the mark.
Below his best, still finished top 10 in the BNF.

Pres · Oct 9, 2021

Andre the Giant said:
He’s initiating the move and under contract. We hold the whip hand. Competition is great.

Giants are a person first club mate. I'm sure they won't stand in his way on compassionate grounds.

Colonial · Oct 9, 2021

Pres said:
Giants are a person first club mate. I'm sure they won't stand in his way on compassionate grounds.

Why does it seem that we are the only club to do that? Other clubs benefit but never us.

Andre the Giant · Oct 9, 2021

Pres said:
Giants are a person first club mate. I'm sure they won't stand in his way on compassionate grounds.

So you think if he plays for Essendon or North Melbourne there is a difference to his personal situation? Give me a break.

He has a young pregnant partner and wants support. His best mate has left the club and his cousin is in Melbourne. If he was out of contract we would be cast but he’s under contract and has competition for his services. We will take the best deal that suits us.

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